"Can Conflict between China & US be avoided?" - China's Plans for Global Domination

"Reform is about "laying down rules for international order and international mechanisms" and "deciding in which direction the world will head," President Xi Jinping said at a study session of the political bureau of the Communist Party of China Central Committee on Oct 13. “It is not simply a case of competing for the high ground of economic development, but what roles and functions nations will play in the long-term systemic arrangement of the international order,” Xi said. Comparing the recent state visit Xi made to the US and his state visit to the UK which concluded last week, Zhang and Roughead agreed that Xi’s UK visit was “more exclusive than his US one.” The closest ally of the US, the UK, under its current government, the Cameron cabinet, has made a bold, courageous and strategic decision that China and the UK should upgrade their bilateral relationship to a much higher level, said Zhang, adding the so-called “Golden Era” is significant. “It might be enlightening for the US,” Zhang said.

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If this doesn't raise alarm in the free world, I don't know what will. China fears war with the US, as is very evident in their public statements; which makes sense if you take a look at China's woeful record over the years in military engagements. However, they are happy to undermine every country in the world in order to achieve their goal of global domination and the control of democracies via stealth, threats, money, political intrigue, or whatever else that seems to work. Is the US the only country left that is willing to stand up to the new Global Bully of the 21st Century?

The UK has capitulated to China recently in a disasterous manner, becoming yet another victim of Chinese skullduggery and deception. Letting the Chinese build nuclear power plants and infrastructure in your country is a very bad idea when you consider that China openly admits it's contempt of the British in many of the official and unofficial Chinese media outlets. Another one bites the dust? Very handy having a 'backdoor" to your enemies nuclear power plants in the event of war one would think.

Can't face your enemies in direct conflict?

Conquer from within...

There is a Chinese curse: "may you live in interesting times..." I think the Chinese are going to make the West endure some interesting times.

originally posted by: jimbo999
However, they are happy to undermine every country in the world in order to achieve their goal of global domination and the control of democracies via stealth, threats, money, political intrigue, or whatever else that seems to work. Is the US the only country left that is willing to stand up to the new Global Bully of the 21st Century?

I think you are taking it out of context, those are your words. No such indication in the article about global domination by China. Here from you article:

“China is a reformer, not a revolutionary figure,” Zhang emphasized.

Reform is about "laying down rules for international order and international mechanisms" and "deciding in which direction the world will head," President Xi Jinping said at a study session of the political bureau of the Communist Party of China Central Committee on Oct 13.

“It is not simply a case of competing for the high ground of economic development, but what roles and functions nations will play in the long-term systemic arrangement of the international order,” Xi said.

Comparing the recent state visit Xi made to the US and his state visit to the UK which

The UK has capitulated to China recently in a disasterous manner, becoming yet another victim of Chinese skullduggery and deception. Letting the Chinese build nuclear power plants and infrastructure in your country is a very bad idea when you consider that China openly admits it's contempt of the British in many of the official and unofficial Chinese media outlets. Another one bites the dust? Very handy having a 'backdoor" to your enemies nuclear power plants in the event of war one would think.

If there isn't any change in the current global mechanisms, I am afraid we will all succumb to a world ruled by oligarchs who already have a grip on the USA and are working their way towards Global Dominance.

I am all for China making this move to change things, whether we like it or not? It's either we see change or there isn't much to look forward to in the future as we anticipate more war mongering and death from the great war monger.

"Can Conflict between China & US be avoided?"

Yes , if US stops sticking their nose in China's business, waaay over there.

As opposed to the US plan for global domination???

Our founding fathers warned us explicitly to stay the hell out of the affairs of other nations... it is time to reap what we have sown, it seems...

hm.
I heard on my local radio channel that they (China) lifted the one baby ban to two babies per family.

I wonder if they got a big real-estate purchase they are waiting for the escrow thingy to go through?

originally posted by: madmac5150
Can't face your enemies in direct conflict?

Conquer from within...

There is a Chinese curse: "may you live in interesting times..." I think the Chinese are going to make the West endure some interesting times.

They've been doing this for 20 years. I was in Canada in the 1990's. Even then Chinese students were coming over to study at universities, then complain that there weren't any jobs for them when they graduated, so employers had to bring in affirmative action programs. Eventually they got the management positions in both industry and academia, so they only take in more students from China. This was happening in Silicon Valley as well.

Even back in the UK, they were offering to *PAY FOR* internships with local employers, pricing out native students.

I did a PhD way back in 2002 and three years through, one alumni student demanded my work and I refused. That's led to a ****storm in my career that I still haven't recovered from.

originally posted by: loveguy
hm.
I heard on my local radio channel that they (China) lifted the one baby ban to two babies per family.

I wonder if they got a big real-estate purchase they are waiting for the escrow thingy to go through?

They've got a Hugh number of citizen population aging so they decided to change the one child policy to two children per couple.

Nothing about world domination in mind..

I don't think China plans to dominate the world militarily, however, economically that might be in their plans. Also, I don't believe China has any interest in military conquest beyond Asia. I think they want territory in their own back yard, but I don't believe war with the U.S. is in their plans.

originally posted by: InnerPeace2012

originally posted by: loveguy
hm.
I heard on my local radio channel that they (China) lifted the one baby ban to two babies per family.

I wonder if they got a big real-estate purchase they are waiting for the escrow thingy to go through?

They've got a Hugh number of citizen population aging so they decided to change the one child policy to two children per couple.

Nothing about world domination in mind..

I was thinking they bought all of our debt in one way or the other?

I assume the Louisiana purchase was a contract signed by two separate/unionized corporations at the time?
Corporations garner greater freedoms than normal people enjoy.

I wish I was a corporation-
not!

originally posted by: InnerPeace2012

originally posted by: jimbo999
However, they are happy to undermine every country in the world in order to achieve their goal of global domination and the control of democracies via stealth, threats, money, political intrigue, or whatever else that seems to work. Is the US the only country left that is willing to stand up to the new Global Bully of the 21st Century?

I think you are taking it out of context, those are your words. No such indication in the article about global domination by China. Here from you article:

“China is a reformer, not a revolutionary figure,” Zhang emphasized.

Reform is about "laying down rules for international order and international mechanisms" and "deciding in which direction the world will head," President Xi Jinping said at a study session of the political bureau of the Communist Party of China Central Committee on Oct 13.

“It is not simply a case of competing for the high ground of economic development, but what roles and functions nations will play in the long-term systemic arrangement of the international order,” Xi said.

Comparing the recent state visit Xi made to the US and his state visit to the UK which

The UK has capitulated to China recently in a disasterous manner, becoming yet another victim of Chinese skullduggery and deception. Letting the Chinese build nuclear power plants and infrastructure in your country is a very bad idea when you consider that China openly admits it's contempt of the British in many of the official and unofficial Chinese media outlets. Another one bites the dust? Very handy having a 'backdoor" to your enemies nuclear power plants in the event of war one would think.

If there isn't any change in the current global mechanisms, I am afraid we will all succumb to a world ruled by oligarchs who already have a grip on the USA and are working their way towards Global Dominance.

I am all for China making this move to change things, whether we like it or not? It's either we see change or there isn't much to look forward to in the future as we anticipate more war mongering and death from the great war monger.

I think you are unable to read between the significant lines of this Chinese statement. It's states quite clearly that:

“China is a reformer, not a revolutionary figure,” Zhang emphasized.

Reform is about "laying down rules for international order and international mechanisms" and "deciding in which direction the world will head," President Xi Jinping said"

If that's not a declaration of intent, I don't know what is. Nothing of honest merit or credibility ever emanates from the ruling junta in China, as we all know. One must read between the lines to understand the significance of their declarations. Do you honestly believe that China has built up the largest army on the planet in the last 20 years because they are a "peace-loving country of reformers"? Really?

Judge China by it's actions, not it's propaganda.

a reply to: intrptr
Maybe China should stop poking it's nose in Tibet, Vietnam, The Phillipines, Korea, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, The UK, Turkey, Pakistan, India, and the dozens of other countries it is trying to manipulate first? That would be a good start I think.

originally posted by: FyreByrd
As opposed to the US plan for global domination???

What plan? They already do dominate. Better the US than the dictatorship of the CCP however.

2nd

originally posted by: madmac5150
Can't face your enemies in direct conflict?

Conquer from within...

There is a Chinese curse: "may you live in interesting times..." I think the Chinese are going to make the West endure some interesting times.

Actually, that's not a Chinese curse, it was just assigned to them because it sounds like oriental wisdom. No one knows who coined it but it seems to have originated in Europe in the mid 1930's. It's also just part 1 of 3.
May you live in interesting times
May you come to the attention of those in authority
May you find what you are looking for


Anyways, China has no interest in war they would rather be wealthy and modern wars are too damaging and too expensive. Defensive technology is also too powerful and few nations can efficiently project force. Real force projection these days is economic in nature.

originally posted by: stormcell

originally posted by: madmac5150
Can't face your enemies in direct conflict?

Conquer from within...

There is a Chinese curse: "may you live in interesting times..." I think the Chinese are going to make the West endure some interesting times.

They've been doing this for 20 years. I was in Canada in the 1990's. Even then Chinese students were coming over to study at universities, then complain that there weren't any jobs for them when they graduated, so employers had to bring in affirmative action programs. Eventually they got the management positions in both industry and academia, so they only take in more students from China. This was happening in Silicon Valley as well.

Even back in the UK, they were offering to *PAY FOR* internships with local employers, pricing out native students.

I did a PhD way back in 2002 and three years through, one alumni student demanded my work and I refused. That's led to a ****storm in my career that I still haven't recovered from.

That's disgusting!! Yes I know, as this has been going on in Canada for many years....and still does. Canadian students can't get into Canadian univercities any more; even with amazingly high grade averages, as all the places are taken by "international students" from China who are able to pay more than local students. Fraudulent practices are now rife in Canadian/US higher educational circles, with stories about fake degrees and falsified grades by "International" students from China hitting the news wires all the time. It's time we took back our educational systems from these people - wether the govt. wants it or not.

Everyone stop buying all the cheaply made crap from China and they'll go broke.

Believe it or not, it's you and me Joe and Judy average who are unwittingly financing China's ambitious conquest.

originally posted by: InnerPeace2012

originally posted by: loveguy
hm.
I heard on my local radio channel that they (China) lifted the one baby ban to two babies per family.

I wonder if they got a big real-estate purchase they are waiting for the escrow thingy to go through?

They've got a Hugh number of citizen population aging so they decided to change the one child policy to two children per couple.

Nothing about world domination in mind..

Yeah, right lol!!

originally posted by: loveguy
I was thinking they bought all of our debt in one way or the other?

I assume the Louisiana purchase was a contract signed by two separate/unionized corporations at the time?
Corporations garner greater freedoms than normal people enjoy.

I wish I was a corporation-
not!

You assume incorrectly. They're one of our largest foreign creditors going back and forth with Japan, but foreign owned debt is only a small portion of total US debt. Additionally the US also owns a large part of Chinese debt. Nations do this for multiple reasons, most notably that buying one persons debt is a sign of faith in their currency. That debt is then used to back their own currency. This means that China strongly believes in the USD and they want the power of our dollar to support them. In the relationship the US is actually the creditor if you look at debt/GDP.

You're also wrong on the Louisiana Purchase. What happened there is that Spain and France were in a territorial dispute over who owned the land but Napoleon, then in charge of France was in no position to defend any claims on the territory. With Spain having a claim on the territory and France being busy with Europe, Spain could easily take it. The US however wanted New Orleans in order to control the mouth of the Mississippi. We paid $10 million for it, but Napoleon needing the funds and believing he was selling us something that potentially belonged to Spain in the first place offered us the entire territory for just $15 million. The US agreed and Spain was never in a position where they could do anything about it.

So basically in the Louisiana Purchase, France sold us Spanish territory and thanks to the geographic distances Spain was never in a position to do anything about it. It would be like me selling you my neighbors home, but my neighbor then going to jail and never having the ability to contest the sale in court.

Given the number of people here that encourage socialism and communism, China might be welcomed in the US.