Jesus: Mistake or Deception?

In John 1 it says, 'In the beginning was the Word and the Word was God and the Word was with God...' In the beginning God created Light. At the end He created humanity in the Image of Elohim. An Image requires Light. The Word is Image, as in Image Divine. To divine is to predict and a predictive Image is a vision...

In the beginning was the vision and the vision was God and the vision was with God... He came to Earth to dwell among us...The vision became words = flesh. John 1 is a synopsis and sequel to Revelation. At the end of Revelation John says, 'Come Lord Jesus'. Jesus was a prophecy. The Lamb was a prophecy.

Matthew, Mark and Luke seized the idea and like journalists filled in the gaps. They also added some historical characters and Jesus became a historical figure. John was furious. He says, 'this is he who was after me, has surpassed me and is now before me'. He added his own story to discredit the others. It didn't work and the sequel became a prequel. John says that the grace comes from Moses' Law through Jesus Christ. He means 'passes through'. Everything between Daniel and Revelation has no foundation. Jesus never happened. Paul wrote all those letters for nothing. Christianity has been worshiping the Word, sure, if it's 'Imaginary'.

Jesus is still outstanding. The Jews and the Muslims were right. There is no Second Coming. The first is yet to arrive. But he will show soon. Which tradition will he choose? They are all Truth, aren't they? Christianity has fallen by the wayside. It was mistaken or deceived meaning the others could be wrong too.

There's a high probability the Messiah won't be Jewish or Muslim. Then what? What if he's gay? Or worse? Catholic? Oh no, he can't be. That tradition is fantasy.

I'm going to enjoy telling the Catholics this. The Bride will become Bridezilla. They wanted Tribulation. Here goes!

a reply to: TheLamb

Nice opinion.

Glad it is wrong.

Silly stuff...

Jesus is not a mistake or deception don't be deceived and make no mistake.... He is nothing less than Redemption!

What kind of short bus rider takes the Bible and misinterprets it then goes further and actually changes words to better fit their delusion... All in attempt to portray the Lord as anything less than what he is...

There is a term for this act, one for your mental state also... but what you are doing is very bad for you, let alone the bad you could be doing to others... Glad not many people are as simple...

You see this sort of sin is very specific and so are its consequences...

a reply to: 5StarOracle

The usual deceiver who attempts to confuse those who know no better. There are quite a few of them here.

a reply to: TheLamb

There's a high probability the Messiah won't be Jewish or Muslim. Then what? What if he's gay? Or worse? Catholic? Oh no, he can't be. That tradition is fantasy.

Lay off those mushrooms and I think you can be helped.

The Bible proving the Bible?

Circular argument at best.

a reply to: TheLamb

Genesis one does NOT say God created light, this is a misnomer. He actually called forth light, which was already previously existing. that which is different is not the same. Number two rule of understanding scripture.

Gen1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

God the Son is that Light he called for.

At the very worst Jesus could be considered a peace loving hippie who came to stir up the old guard and call them out for doing exactly what the Jews are doing today - being 100% total hypocrites.

Im backing away slowly from this thread

originally posted by: 5StarOracle
Silly stuff...

Jesus is not a mistake or deception don't be deceived and make no mistake.... He is nothing less than Redemption!

What kind of short bus rider takes the Bible and misinterprets it then goes further and actually changes words to better fit their delusion... All in attempt to portray the Lord as anything less than what he is...

There is a term for this act, one for your mental state also... but what you are doing is very bad for you, let alone the bad you could be doing to others... Glad not many people are as simple...

You see this sort of sin is very specific and so are its consequences...

But Bibles have always been changed and misinterpreted over the hundreds of years. Just compare a really really old bible to the ones now available in book stores. Notice any differences.

.....or just the kind of guy the (ultra-) religious right is looking for..................

a reply to: TheLamb

An Image requires Light. The Word is Image, as in Image Divine.

You know what? I can use a string of logic like this to prove that Ray Charles is God too.

God is Love. Love is Blind. Ray Charles was blind. Therefore, Ray Charles is God. Maybe that means we've already seen the second coming ... Ray Charles might have been Jesus? You think?

I know this much. When He comes again, there will be no mistaking Him. Not even you will mistake Him, even is He isn't what you want Him to be.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: TheLamb

Genesis one does NOT say God created light, this is a misnomer. He actually called forth light, which was already previously existing. that which is different is not the same. Number two rule of understanding scripture.

Gen1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

God the Son is that Light he called for.

This is a beautiful truth. Thank you for the insight.

Jesus Was My Pal...
I crossed the line... now I must carry my cross.
Same Can Happen To You... By Mistake And By Deception.

Become A Geometrician... Draw The Line!

a reply to: TheLamb

There's never a shortage of wild imagination here.

John said that Jesus came after him because John was physically born in the flesh months before Jesus was born here on earth. John is also telling everyone that Jesus is greater than he is and that he existed outside of human flesh and existed in the Spirit from the beginning with God. All of the disciples looked forward to Jesus' SECOND coming, hence the "Come Lord Jesus" from John. John never ever contradicted anything the other disciples were preaching.

Do you think your the messiah? I mean your name and comments...

a reply to: TheLamb

a reply to: Johnathanandheather

I doubt we're going to hear from "TheLamb".

By the way, what does the empty box around his name mean these days? Has he already been banned or can you hide all of your profile information from view these days?

After looking at the issue you have brought up here what I concluded was this. Accident.

Here's what I figured out. According to the books of Malachi and Zechariah there was to be 3 or 4 messiahs. The Lord. His two branches or messengers and Elijah the prophet. But the problem was this. According to Matthew 17 John the Baptist was Elijah the prophet. But he was killed by Herod at the prompting of Salome and her mother. The daughter and granddaughter of the High Priest. And they triggered this.

Malachi 4
5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:
6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

Quite simply the first century Jews managed to derail the first century Apocalypse by killing John the Baptist. And working it out apparently the "God" of the Jews threw the book at them by slapping them with a 2000 year top level Leviticus 26 curse. The curse isn't over yet.

And this 2nd coming business? It should happen before 2030.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

Genesis one does NOT say God created light, this is a misnomer. He actually called forth light, which was already previously existing. that which is different is not the same. Number two rule of understanding scripture. God the Son is that Light he called for.

Correct. Few people truly understand what you have said. Most people will associate our light giving star as the light that is referenced in the Genesis account but most have not been taught that the light that God called out to was His Begotten Son which at that time was called His Word. It was the Word of God who created all that we see and experience as humans.

John1:1-5 - KJV --
(1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(2) The same was in the beginning with God.
(3) All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
(4) In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
(5) And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

There is the creative light (Word, who then became Jesus) and our artificial light (sun).

a reply to: ntech

But the problem was this. According to Matthew 17 John the Baptist was Elijah the prophet.

No, you have misunderstood scripture. The baptizer John was not the reincarnated Eli

Eth Cepher
Besorah Yahuchanon or Gospel of John 1:19-23
(19) And this is the record of Yahuchanon, when the Yahudiym sent priests and Leviyiym from Yerushalayim to ask him, Who are you? (20) And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not Hamashiach. (21) And they asked him, what then? Are you Eliyahu? And he said, I am not. Are you that prophet? And he answered No. (22) Then said they unto him, Who are you? That we may give an answer to them that sent us. What say you of yourself? (23) He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, make straight the Way of Yahuah, as said the prophet Yesha’yahu

KJV bible John 1:19-23
(19) And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou? (20) And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ. (21) And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No. (22) Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself? (23) He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias.

Malachi wrote his account about at least 400 years Bce and yes Elijah was here on earth long before Malachi stated this. It is a great misunderstanding of many to believe in reincarnation to even be considered by the first Christians. Here in John 1:19-23 you can see that The baptizer, John, denies being the Hamashiach or Eliyahu (Elijah or Elias) either one. To be reincarnated back to a flesh is not Christian philosophy. It may very well be an offshoot of Roman Christianity but certainly not of the liturgy of the first Hebrew Christian Ecclesia.