BREAKING: Dashcam Video Just Released Shows Cop Murder Zachary Hammond

a reply to: SlapMonkey

Wow you are the one with blinders on buddy. I have put myself in that situation 100s of times and so have you, every time we walk through a prking lot or down a sidewalk..

What do we do when were walking to our car and some guy backs out of his spot not seeing us? We step out of the way.

I have had to avoid slow moving cars countless times in my life and I have never had to shoot the effing driver.

originally posted by: FraggleRock
a reply to: SlapMonkey

In other words you cannot explain what danger was posed to this officer because I'm smart enough to know a car cannot run me over from the side. Carry on then.

Come stand next to my car and let's see if I can run you over genius.

a reply to: Bone75

Wouldn't take a genius to get out of the way.

a reply to: Bone75

If you some on is standing where the cop was standing, behind the front wheel, it would be pretty hard.


Look at the second frame, the car isn't cutting in, he is going around the cop.

originally posted by: Sremmos80

Look at the second frame, the car isn't cutting in, he is going around the cop.

Do you think he would've stopped if he ran the cop over?

a reply to: Bone75

What if what if what if lol. You guys sure like to justify murder with a bunch of what ifs and maybes. he couldnt have run the cop over because the cop was on the side of his car.

a reply to: Bone75

Guess we can only know if it happened, but it didn't so there is that.
I don't think he was going to run him over all.

originally posted by: alienjuggalo
a reply to: Bone75

What if what if what if lol. You guys sure like to justify murder with a bunch of what ifs and maybes. he couldnt have run the cop over because the cop was on the side of his car.

"Justify murder"? Investigation conclusion shows self-defense. Sorry the decision doesn't fit your agenda. Better luck next time.

a reply to: UnBreakable

How are we to get rid of the druggies if we don't test ALL of them? After all, if they have nothing to hide they shouldn't mind, right? Isn't that the very same logic they use when they stop you for a broken light and tell you they "need" to search your car?

Yeah, I'm on the side of giving young people whose brains and judgement aren't fully developed a bit of slack. Not so for police who are supposed to be trained adults with some measure of reason.
I'm not on the side of those who say executions such as depicted in this video are okay because it was done by a cop.

originally posted by: UnBreakable

originally posted by: alienjuggalo
a reply to: Bone75

What if what if what if lol. You guys sure like to justify murder with a bunch of what ifs and maybes. he couldnt have run the cop over because the cop was on the side of his car.

"Justify murder"? Investigation conclusion shows self-defense. Sorry the decision doesn't fit your agenda. Better luck next time.

Of course when you investigate yourself you are going to conclude it was self defense.

originally posted by: alienjuggalo

originally posted by: UnBreakable

originally posted by: alienjuggalo
a reply to: Bone75

What if what if what if lol. You guys sure like to justify murder with a bunch of what ifs and maybes. he couldnt have run the cop over because the cop was on the side of his car.

"Justify murder"? Investigation conclusion shows self-defense. Sorry the decision doesn't fit your agenda. Better luck next time.

Of course when you investigate yourself you are going to conclude it was self defense.

Don't worry, the DOJ is investigating too, and they'll come to the same conclusion. Just like they couldn't find anything in the Ferguson shooting, much to the chagrin of Obama and the rest of the libs.

originally posted by: Bone75

originally posted by: FraggleRock
a reply to: SlapMonkey

In other words you cannot explain what danger was posed to this officer because I'm smart enough to know a car cannot run me over from the side. Carry on then.

Come stand next to my car and let's see if I can run you over genius.

Do you have a car that can travel sideways? That's the only way this cop could have been run over. He did his best to get in front of the car but didn't make it.
I personally haven't seen the vehicle that can move sideways---he was standing beside the car, as is plain if you actually watched the video.
Name-calling does nothing to boost your argument.

a reply to: robbeh

So now driving away, gives the officer the right to shoot you?

Im sorry but that is nuts....Think before you talk.

I was asked for an opinion, so here it is:

I'm not surprised the officer was cleared of any wrongdoing. Nor would I have been surprised if he hadn't.

An officer doesn't have to be faced with a clear and conclusive threat to justify deadly force. He has to articulate why he thought the circumstances he was in constituted a threat. So no, the vehicle isn't pointed directly at him. But the vehicle is close enough to support his story. Had he been at the front of his vehicle when he fired, it would be a completely different story.

For the flip side: an officer isn't supposed to manufacture a deadly force situation. One could argue that this guy's actions did that. I don't think one would necessarily win that argument, but it's there to be made. To me this was very close to being like the UC shooting.

And therein lies the end result, for me. It was close to being similar to the UC shoot, but not quite. It was close to being a clean shoot, but not quite. And in a case like that, it's unlikely that the officer is going to be found at fault, because it's measured not how it looks in the clear light of day weeks and months later, but how it looked in a rapidly evolving situation at that moment that matters.

Any discussion of other methods the officer could have used are moot, in my opinion. Yea, he could've handled it differently. So could the deceased. If any one of a hundred factors had played out even slightly different, there could have been any number of other results.

originally posted by: Shamrock6


An officer doesn't have to be faced with a clear and conclusive threat to justify deadly force

And that sums up the fundamental flaw in US policing.

Lethal force should ONLY be used as a last resort if there is a clear threat to saftey. Thats how most civilized countrys operate.

The police should not be there as a occuping army. But I guess you have law enforcers not public servants.

originally posted by: Bone75
Come stand next to my car and let's see if I can run you over genius.

And when you can't because your car won't drive sideways and/or doesn't have the turning radius of a forklift what will you say then? But sure, I'd be happy to help demonstrate my point so that maybe one day you too could be a genius.

a reply to: crazyewok

Meh. It's a fine line. Sometimes the threat isn't clear until you're taking rounds.

Do some cops pull the trigger too early? Absolutely. It's poor judgement. But I'd rather have the option to make the judgement call as to whether somebody is reaching for a gun or a wallet than wait to see that yes it's a gun, yes it's pointed at me, and judging by the rounds coming my direction by golly he means to do me harm.

Won't get any argument from me that some display poor judgement. The majority don't, though.

a reply to: FraggleRock

If not getting run over by a car at your side qualifies one as genius the bar must be extraordinarily low in his parts.

originally posted by: FraggleRock

And when you can't because your car won't drive sideways and/or doesn't have the turning radius of a forklift what will you say then? But sure, I'd be happy to help demonstrate my point so that maybe one day you too could be a genius.

Loser buys the beer?

a reply to: Bone75

Works for me.