Oklahoma State driver was 'suicidal' (not drunk)

a reply to: Bluntone22

Mental ill people are most likely on some form of medication, if they stay mentally ill, it's because their medication has no effect.

That is a huge problem every where, not isolated to the US.

a reply to: Mianeye

It isn't lack of medication that is the real issue.

The real issue is the damage caused by this existence which the medication masks.

We hear all the time about this guy or that guy doing this or that, from serial killers to bank robbers, wife beaters to suicides...Where friends, neighbors and co-workers said he or she was the nicest guy or gal you would want to meet. Always kept his lawn mowed and maintained his or her property, always had a smile on their face and something good to say, generous, a hard worker and always on time...Yadda Yadda.

We are surrounded by the very things that cause us to lose our minds. And we somehow have ourselves convinced we enjoy living this way.

Some people deal with it and go quietly away eventually, into that dark night.

Some snap.

a reply to: Mianeye

edit...misread statistic. See reply below

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Nvm

a reply to: Mianeye

Okay, I stand corrected. I misread your stat.

Same comparison though (I have to use 2013/14 though, because 2015 is not available) . In 2014 there were (using your source) 12,565 gun related deaths (including police action). Over the same time period in the US there were 32,719 traffic related fatalities. Guns would then represent 38% of traffic fatalities.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Np

Anyway, you are comparing accidents to deliberate shootings.

The car accidents are another issue, and should be much lower when looking at road safety rules and laws, but they are majorly accidents, a case of # happens, and is a bad comparison.

A fair comparison would be stabbing related crime vs gun related in the US, when we talk about bans or regulation of inanimate objects, but still not good to compare as they are different issues, and should be dealt with independently.

a reply to: Mianeye

If one is not actively trying to avoid something, some event or accident....

They are passively allowing it to happen.

Responsibility.....

Breaking things down into certain categories is the trick of your rulers to externalize liability.

Too many have picked up the same bad habit.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

So she wants to commit suicide but wants to take as many people with her? Insane and also questionable. What I find contradicting in this suicide act, is how she could think she could kill herself by running people over in her car! I would think most people who want to end their life would do it in a manner where the chance of them surviving is next to zero.

Cars can be very dangerous, that's why you need to prove your competent to drive one by obtaining a license and why all cars need to be registered by the owner to drive on public roads.

I'm also quite sure the police and state governments in the US are constantly having awareness campaigns about the dangers of speeding and drink driving, just like they do here... But you don't hear car users ranting on about how the government wants there cars, everytime the local media reports the high car accident deaths over a long weekend.

Anyway, cars aren't even designed to kill, yet most people wouldn't argue about the logic of such strict regulations when it comes to using cars on public roads. So why wouldn't it just be basic commonsense to regulate firearms in the same manner?

just saying....

a reply to: FamCore

Lol, frequency of gun deaths is more than car deaths? You crazy?

originally posted by: Mianeye
a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

You are comparing car accidents to people who deliberately picks up a gun and shoot someone.

Do we ever really know why all the car accidents occur? How do we know that some of them, maybe a significant percentage, aren't caused by people who are confused or looking to die and taking other with them?

a reply to: Subaeruginosa

You clearly have not been to the local DMV lately. If you do it right, you only ever have to prove you competency once. After that, so long as you come in before the license expires, you are pretty much just rubber stamped through the line for the next one.

a reply to: WeRpeons

Agreed. I don't buy the "suicidal" because of the manner. Either she wasn't, or she's completely incompetent. You want to suicide by car, you aim at a lake, wall, overpass at a high rate of speed. You don't aim at a soft, not-going-to-hurt-you target like people. Murderous? I would hands down agree with.

a reply to: ketsuko

Fair enough.

But the question remains... If you feel its that easy to gain a license to drive a car, and that registering a car to drive on public roads is such a simple process, then why are so many Americans so against adopting the same process (on a federal level), when it comes to gun ownership?

Now don't get me wrong, I'm hardcore against prohibition. Whether it's guns, alcohol, cannabis or even mushrooms (for that matter), but a commonsense regulation policy just seems logical to me, when it comes to items that have the potential to create havoc in society.

You gotta try looking at it from an outsiders point of view, is all... Some states in the US are handing out extremely harsh prison sentences to vulnerable people for simple personal drug possession charges, well at the same time allowing people to freely possess tools that sole purpose is to kill, with substandard oversight and an ineffective regulation processes... It's absolutely crazy, imo.

The US threatened & cracked down hard on Australia back in the 90's, when we proposed a harm reduction legal heroin policy... That by the way, would have killed the illegal trade, lowered overdoses, lowered overall crime and created more effective outcomes for users that had a desire to overcome there habit.

But, according to the US PTB, anything but total prohibition is totally unacceptable, when it comes to any drug apart from alcohol. Yet, guns can be used and owned in many states without nearly any oversight... It makes no sense!!!

Update & True Story! ...

This is pretty tragic and I didn't post it yesterday because I was still kind of shaken up by it.

As you know, I started this thread yesterday morning (here in the western US). The thread had just turned into the second page as I was getting ready for work. My last post before leaving was my correction to my response to Mianeye. Then out the door I went.

We live in a very rural area. I needed to go to the airport to take a short day business trip. I made it to the highway about 15 minutes later. Ten minutes further down the highway I saw a bunch of debris fly up in the air, a dust cloud and brake lights about a mile in front of me. When I got there I could see a livestock trailer pulled over on the side of the road. My first thought was 'Oh no, I hope no livestock were involved!' (we raise cattle). There weren't, but it was worse.

The rancher pulling the stock trailer had been the first one on the scene and quickly stopped. I arrived next and stopped. Two vehicles had collided (both going the same direction). As soon as I got out of the truck the rancher hollered from a few feet away. "Anyone hurt?" I asked. "NOT GOOD!", he said to me as he held his phone to his ear while calling 9-1-1.

As I walked up to see if I could offer assistance, I was somewhat incredulous thinking about this very thread. One person lay dead on the ground, ejected from their vehicle. An infant was inextricably trapped in one of the rolled over vehicles. Another person was underneath one of the vehicles. The rancher said there were two more people in the other vehicle. They had been attempting to get out, but he told them to stay put until EMS arrived. He indicated one of the people had been hollering at the other after the crash about using her phone while driving, and how it would eventually lead to a crash.

About then police, fire and EMS showed up in force. I checked with the officer and told him I didn't actually witness the accident itself and had just stopped to render assistance, but there wasn't anything which could be done really. A short while later I left for the airport.

I don't know what lead to the accident, but I heard later the highway had been closed a short while later to allow a medical helicopter to land and evacuate two people (one of them the infant). The whole rest of the day I couldn't help but think about this thread, the eerie almost foretelling nature of this discussion. I don't know if what the rancher overheard was indeed the cause, but if it was it was a yet another, and sadly ironic, example of senseless death caused by distracted driving (i.e. phone / text).

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk

Driver in deadly Oklahoma State homecoming crash said she was suicidal, court document says

Suicidal

Contrary to early reports, the driver had NOT been drinking or doing drugs, and had been hospitalized for mental health issues in the past. The driver left 4 dead and 22 persons injured, many critically.

So here we have yet another mentally ill person using a weapon of mass-destruction, a CAR, to "kill" at a school.

My How long is it going to take for us "stupid" Americans to realize, the solution to stopping these senseless and stupid "killings" is to...BAN CARS!!

Note: the notion of guns being at the root of all evil deeds in America is a conspiracy of the highest order from those who seek to disarm Americans.

Don't fall into this trap. They can invent a new "mental illness" every day if they want to. How long will it be before they "discover" one that causes "political instability" in the mind of the afflicted patent?

They're after far more than a gun ban.