Oklahoma State driver was 'suicidal' (not drunk)

Driver in deadly Oklahoma State homecoming crash said she was suicidal, court document says

Suicidal

Contrary to early reports, the driver had NOT been drinking or doing drugs, and had been hospitalized for mental health issues in the past. The driver left 4 dead and 22 persons injured, many critically.

So here we have yet another mentally ill person using a weapon of mass-destruction, a CAR, to "kill" at a school.

My How long is it going to take for us "stupid" Americans to realize, the solution to stopping these senseless and stupid "killings" is to...BAN CARS!!

Note: the notion of guns being at the root of all evil deeds in America is a conspiracy of the highest order from those who seek to disarm Americans.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

It is true, a 3,000 lb + motor vehicle is nearly as deadly as firearms, but the frequency of gun killings is so much higher which is why the media and legislators can justify "stricter gun laws".

Like you implied, the root of ALL of these killings is mental health issues, not the "weapon of choice".

The problem is becoming worse because mental health issues are stigmatized, pharmaceuticals are WAY over-prescribed, and American society is #ed from every which way.

But hey, maybe they WILL impose some new driving laws just to make people think they aren't over-focusing on guns

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

I have wondered the same thing about cars as I have been an avid bicyclist for many years.

So many think they are so busy while they sit and do nothing in their motorized recliners that are better equipped than their houses in most ways. Sit in the chair, get up from the chair and go to the garage and get in the car and sit there.Press the button to open the garage door, back out and press the button to close it. Move the gearshift lever to drive away and just sit there until you get to your destination and walk 100' from your car to an elevator or cross the parking lot to go sit or stand in one spot for the next 8 hours. A busy day with nearly zero exercise at all...

Back to the topic....If they get legislation or whatever passed to restrict firearms ownership, what is to stop anyone from taking the next thing away for similar reasons.

I was talking to my father a day or so ago about this topic and picked up a crescent wrench and said " If enough people start clubbing people to death with these, these will be unlawful to possess just like they want firearms to be"....

Never even considering the ridiculously high number of people who die from motor vehicles every year here compared to gun deaths....

a reply to: FamCore

Deaths by motor vehicle is so much more common than by firearms that there is just no comparison.

How many people do you know of that have died in car accidents or whatever compared to people you know that have been gunned down on the street like you make it sound?.

Turn off the news (media) and look around you.

You are placed in danger by motor vehicles every single time you go out on the road. You are just desensitized to it and have been led to believe you are safe with safety devices and insurance and other " safety and security theatre".

Everything is theatre.

I found my self laughing at the sarcasim of your report until I realised that 4 people lost their lives.

I'm not a fan of Alex Jones, but he has said numerous times it's the medication that they give people with mental illness that amplifies their suicidle tendencies and reduces their ability to empathise, so in fact it's not the guns or cars that kill people but in fact it's the antidepressants?

Thanks for bringing to light that this was a mental health issue and not alcohol SnF.

originally posted by: FamCore
a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

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Like you implied, the root of ALL of these killings is mental health issues, not the "weapon of choice".

The problem is becoming worse because mental health issues are stigmatized, pharmaceuticals are WAY over-prescribed, and American society is #ed from every which way.


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Precisely, and nary a word of this being the cause makes it into media reports. And when mental health issues do make it into a news story they are couched into the story in an almost apologetic way as an excuse. "Oh the poor soul couldn't help killing people with an EVIL GUN because he was mentally ill. If there were no EVIL GUNS, mentally ill people could roam the streets in complete harmony with innocent victims everywhere." It's just ridiculous, and completely non-transparent.

It's sad (actually), the people who scream the loudest over freedoms and rights are the very same ones who are unable to see the agenda taking place right before their eyes. They are the ones who scream the loudest to disarm, yet they are unable to see firearms are the very foundation for their freedoms and rights in the first place. Without them those freedoms and rights will progressively disappear (which is happening right now). Nope, no conspiracy here, huh.

a reply to: muSSang

Yes, comfort goes out to the families of those lost, and best wishes to those injured.

How ironic it is though to see how fast the media bandwagon forgets those killed and injured when guns are involved. In their agenda driven zeal to focus on guns being the root cause the victims are all but forgotten in a NY second. Yet in situations like this one, it's ALL ABOUT the victims. In neither case is "mental health" framed as the root cause, and the issue requiring the true attention.

Why? Because guns are an easy target, a tangible physical 'thing' people can point to and hold above their head on a pulpit. State of mind, and mental health, is not an easy target, not a tangible physical thing...and not something which fits nicely into a 15 second sound byte in between Zoloft and Viagra commercials.

a reply to: muSSang


Alex is a nutter but I agree with him on the use of these drugs. These people would kill themselves many years ago but today they kill others. I honestly think anti depressant drugs are the cause of many violent crimes.

originally posted by: FamCore
a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

It is true, a 3,000 lb + motor vehicle is nearly as deadly as firearms, but the frequency of gun killings is so much higher which is why the media and legislators can justify "stricter gun laws".

Not really. The frequency of car related deaths is far, FAR, higher than guns! The media just wants you to think the frequency is higher with guns. This is the whole conspiracy of it all. When compared to car related deaths, gun deaths barely even register.

edit...but with a mentally ill person behind the wheel of a car you don't hear the media calling for the banning of cars. (because it's a ridiculous notion, right?) When that same mentally ill person kills people with a car the media focus is all on the victims. In neither case is the laser beam focus on the REAL issue...mental health.

Perhaps the 'Inner Party' should stop using the 'Outer Party' to jam all the 'Doublethink' down the throats of us 'Proles'.

a reply to: Bluntone22

No they are not, no one is going mental because of anti depressant drugs out side the US, if it were the drugs you would see the same craziness and killing in Europe or the rest of the world, only few cases is there though no direct link to medication.

a reply to: MyHappyDogShiner

Yes, motor vehicles kill WAY more people than firearms, I meant in the "mass killings" category though, where someone intentionally meant to harm a number of other people. Mass shootings are more common than mass rundowns.

You don't need to explain how dangerous cars are, I know this. I even said the media is b.s.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

You are comparing car accidents to people who deliberately picks up a gun and shoot someone.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

I think some of you are misunderstanding my post... we can all agree cars kill way more people than guns and the media wants us to think guns are way more dangerous and kill more people.

All I was saying was that "mass killings", using a VEHICLE, are not as common. Before everyone gets all upset and starts repeating the same information I already know, I just wanted to clarify that I KNOW.

Worst School Massacre in US history: Bath, Michigan School Massacre. 1927. Murder accomplished with explosives. 44 victims (equal to the Columbine and Virginia Tech massacres combined).

Worst Domestic Terrorist Attack in US History: Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building bombing. 4/19/95. Murder accomplished with a rental truck full of fertilizer based explosives. 168 dead (including many children in an onsite day care).

Worst Foreign based Terrorist Attack in US History: September 11, 2001 attacks on NYC, PA, Pentagon. Murder accomplished with box cutters and commercial airliners. ~3,000 people dead.

Non-gun Mass-Murders:

Arson, Stabbing Rampage in Seoul South Korea : 10/20/2008. 6 people dead, 5 from stabbing. 7 others wounded, 4 seriously. An angry man felt people “looked down on him.”

Anti-police stabbing spree in Shanghai, China: 7/2008. 6 Police Officers stabbed to death, 4 wounded. 28 year old man angry at police attacked a police station with a knife.

Akihabara Massacre, Chiyoda City, Tokyo, Japan: 6/8/2008. 7 people killed (3 struck by car, 4 by stabbing), many more injured. Man slammed into a crowd with his car, then jumped out and began stabbing people to death.

18 year old slashes 4 to death in Sitka, Alaska, US: 3/25/2008. 4 people killed. 18 year old (old enough to purchase a rifle over the counter) kills 4 people, related to him, with a 5 inch knife.

Stabbing Spree kills 2, Tsuchiura, Japan: 3/23/2008. 2 killed, 7 wounded.

Man “just wanted to kill anyone.” Stabbing spree wounds 41, 6 seriously in Berlin Train Station: 5/26/2006. 41 wounded, 6 seriously. Thankfully no one died in this attack, but not for lack of trying on the part of the drunk 16 year old.

4 killed in stabbing spree in London, UK: 9/2004. 4 killed, 2 wounded. Mentally ill man attacks mostly older people.

6 killed over Xbox dispute in Deltona, Florida, US: 8/6/2004. 6 killed. 4 men (all old enough to legally purchase firearms) bludgeon 6 people to death with baseball bats over purloined Xbox.

Daegu subway fire, Daegu, South Korea: 2/18/2003. 198 killed, 147 injured. A 56 year old unemployed taxi driver, dissatisfied with his medical treatment, sets fire to a crowded train.

Osaka School Massacre, Osaka Japan: 6/8/2001. 8 children dead, 13 other children and 2 teachers wounded. Committed by 37 year old former janitor armed with a kitchen knife.

Source

98% of firearm related deaths in the US are suicides.

Still, mass shootings barely register in comparison.

And yes, these things do happen in Europe too.

It's the media and an agenda by those in positions of power who know full well that they deserve to be shot in the face.

I put this statement in an edit to a previous post on this thread, but maybe it warrants it's own post...

Perhaps the 'Inner Party' should stop using the 'Outer Party' to jam all the 'Doublethink' down the throats of us 'Proles'.

a reply to: FamCore

No, I understood where you were coming from. No worries.

And thanks.

a reply to: MyHappyDogShiner

Again no, here is the numbers without suicide related deaths, unless suicide/ murder.

You don't see anywhere near these numbers in Europe.

SOURCE

Total Number of Incidents 42,964
Number of Deaths 10,834
Number of Injuries 22,024
Number of Children (age 0-11) Killed/Injured 583
Number of Teens (age 12-17) Killed/Injured 2,162
Mass Shooting 280
Officer Involved Shooting 3,612
Home Invasion 1,832
Defensive Use 978
Accidental Shooting 1,541

originally posted by: Mianeye
a reply to: Bluntone22

No they are not, no one is going mental because of anti depressant drugs out side the US, if it were the drugs you would see the same craziness and killing in Europe or the rest of the world, only few cases is there though no direct link to medication.

I don't say the drugs are making people go mental. I think they have mental issues and the drugs cloud their ability to think clearly. As far as the links go, do you really think the big pharma companies want any bad press on their meds?
Drugs are only one factor in the situation but in my opinion it's a huge factor.

originally posted by: Mianeye
a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

You are comparing car accidents to people who deliberately picks up a gun and shoot someone.

She did it intentionally. She drove around barriers to get to the people to kill and injure them.
It was so similar to a shooting that a Traverse City, MI newspaper called her a shooter.
The Traverse City Eagle had this headline: Link

a reply to: butcherguy

I agree on that incident.