South Carolina school officer caught on video beating down student in arrest

originally posted by: windword
I'm well beyond 55, and I don't recall ever being hit, spanked to assaulted while attending public school, nor did I witness anyone else being hit, spanked or assaulted by school or professional security staff.

I'm just in my 40's and I did get the cane at school until it was made illegal.
It didn't work with me, I'd almost masochistically eyeball whoever was caning my hand just for the extra few lashes so they knew they couldn't beat me with their violence.

I remember me and a lad were both facing the cane for fighting each other and I questioned the headmaster/principal for using violence to punish our violence. I got more lashes than the lad I was fighting with but me and him became immediate friends after that.

...fight the violent 'man' and all that.
Lot's of submissive folk in this thread who advocate a society similar to the misguided principal from my 15 year old memories. Let the cops use violence to teach a lesson to non-violent kids, lol, you couldn't make that # up, tragic.

originally posted by: kosmicjack
I saw an analyst on CNN being interviewed, former LEO Harry Hauwk or some such. He actually said that if it was his daughter acting like that, he would have done worse. WTH?

Besides such use of force on a minor who was no physical threat, regardless of compliance, what also struck me was the very routine, almost Stockholm Syndrome like way the fellow students were acting.

Is it common place at that school for crazy to just break out like that?

...or everyone else knows shes an idiot and wanted to get on with their lives.

a reply to: v1rtu0s0

According to this, Officer Fields also had an incident where he emptied an entire can of peperspray on a military vet, and while the veteran's wife was trying to film, he exclaimed "Get her black @$$" to another officer.. not looking good for this maniac-cop....


filmingcops.com...

Martin states that when he said the word “dude” to Officer Fields, the officer “snapped.” The officer then slammed him down onto the ground and sprayed an entire can of pepper spray on him. Martin’s wife ran outside and tried to film what was happening, but Fields yelled at his partner to “get her black ass!” according to the report.

It's a big deal now.
Justice Department to Investigate Officer’s Flipping of High School Student

a reply to: gentledissident

No surprise, it's been all over regular news media in the UK...I ask again, are US cops routinely taught professional restraint procedures of non-violent non-compliant suspects?
I know there are a few serving US cops who are members of ATS so it would be interesting to find out what they deem to be professional behaviour or not.

...the members who support this cops unprofessional actions against a non-violent suspect should be ashamed of themselves though, as far as I see it.

Wow. Some of the mindsets on this thread are utterly ridiculous! Some defending the guy's actions like as if the actions he committed were right. What planet are you people living on, because there's no common sense on it? Do you people immediately stand to attention at the merest bark from someone in a uniform? Are you really that programmed and conditioned in your heads to submit to authority so meekly, even when it steps beyond the bounds of acceptance?

It's pretty obvious what went down, and what went down was the mindset in that guy's head. He was not going to allow himself to be humiliated in front of students and faculty, and be shown up as an amateur at his job (which ironically, he displayed himself by his own intemperance) and the more she resisted, the more umbrage he took from it until it turned into a rage, and thus the brutal way he dealt with her.

Stop defending wrong actions. Stop accepting wrong actions.

a reply to: elysiumfire

It's amazing reading some of the reactions in this thread.
Safe and professional restraint and control guidelines were clearly not followed...assuming that the US has similar professional guidelines regarding the movement of non-violent and non compliant suspects.

...perhaps there are no such guidelines in the US similar to the UK, maybe that would explain why so many members are supporting the cop? Disgraceful. and no defence in my mind, #ing animal.

In the wake of school shootings, people cried something must be done… for the children's sake, so loud. The fix is in, cops in every school.

Now they're the ones abusing the kids. Enjoy your Orwellian Distopia hand wringers, you insisted on it.

a reply to: grainofsand

No, but I think the officer could have yanked her out of the chair by her arm, and escorted her out of the classroom. However, having been on the front lines, there are a lot of kids that will still resist and put up a fight with a police officer or administrator! I can't begin to tell you how many times I witnessed it. Usually when that happens, you're going to see the police officer wrestle the kid to the floor and hand cuff them.

I had an incident with a kid who probably weighed close to 300 lbs who felt like he could just walk into my lab and socialize with my students. I asked him if he had a pass from a teacher to be here and he said no. So I told him to get back to his class. He just looked at me and says NO! This is a kid that all the teachers in the school knew was a behavior problem. I told him I would have to call an administrator to have him escorted out. Here's how bold these kids are, he looks at me and says "here, you want to use my cell phone?" So I end up calling an administrator and told her she had better bring a police officer for her own protection because she was well aware of this kids past confrontations with teachers.

When she came down with the police officer, the officer politely told him he was trespassing and he needed to go back to his scheduled class. He started smart mouthing the administrator and than pushed the police officer and said "get out of my way!" That's when the police officer grabbed him by the arm to escort him out of the lab. Before I knew it, both were on the floor wrestling. I had to help the police officer restrain him because this kid was just to big to handle. He was later charged with assaulting the police officer. That's just a snippet of many incidents I've witnessed or have been involved in.

Nobody here, unless they're teachers, and mostly from inner city schools can relate to this video. I used to have to put up with this crap from kids 2 or 3 times a week! Teachers in inner city schools on average probably spend half the classroom period addressing out of control behavior problems. This takes an enormous amount of time away from those well behaved students who just want to learn! It's simply not fair to the rest of the class.

Ironically in inner city schools children are beat up all the time and by their own parents!

I’ve seen it first hand.


A teacher will tell the parent that their child is doing this and that and the parent will haul off and start beating the crap out of the kid


I don’t know what this means but it’s a fact.


I once saw a man literally knock the # out of his own daughter IN THE MAIN OFFICE and the biggest shock for me was that no body even looked at it as if it were a common occurrence.


It may be that: BLACK CHILDREN ARE NOT ONLY ABUSED BY THE SYSTEM BUT BY THEIR OWN PARENTS AS WELL

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: subfab

But she didn't, so does that excuse the officers actions?

That is the topic, not the actions of the KID but of the grown ass man that manhandled her.

Care to address that part?
To me it seems you have no issues with it, is that accurate?
That is not the accepted response to refusing to leave like you are trying to say, that is a very ignorant statement imo.

I will ask you a simple question then Sremmons.


Since you have the benefit of analyzing this event after the fact:

What would you have had the cop do in this situation?

Police should be in schools for security only, they shouldn't be used to handle students that act out or fail to listen. The school should have trained staff to deal with students like that. The officer treated the student like he was dealing with a criminal or prisoner. Only time force should be used is to prevent the student from attacking another person.

The school principal should of been called to that class room. If the student still failed to listen, call his/her parent or guardian to come pick them up. Suspend the student for a week, let the parent/guardian know if this happens again, they will suspended the student for a month or longer.

originally posted by: Willtell
Ironically in inner city schools children are beat up all the time and by their own parents!

I’ve seen it first hand.


A teacher will tell the parent that their child is doing this and that and the parent will haul off and start beating the crap out of the kid


I don’t know what this means but it’s a fact.


I once saw a man literally knock the # out of his own daughter IN THE MAIN OFFICE and the biggest shock for me was that no body even looked at it as if it were a common occurrence.


It may be that: BLACK CHILDREN ARE NOT ONLY ABUSED BY THE SYSTEM BUT BY THEIR OWN PARENTS AS WELL

Which have jack to do with an abusive cop if some Blk kids are in abusive homes, all the examples you and others trotted out here should be looked at on it's own merit and FYI I could post many viral links about white folks abusing their kids but that wouldn't excuse an over aggressive cop beating a white kid for no good reason.

a reply to: chuck258

Since you have the benefit of analyzing this event after the fact:

What would you have had the cop do in this situation?

So this is ok with you?

www.youtube.com...

a reply to: grainofsand

...I see now why you guys fear your cops, all about control and enforcement instead of finding the best outcome of a situation. And wow, your country must really be #ed up if you have cops in every school, land of the free eh?

It kind of goes hand in hand with this...

Why should other students or the teacher have to sit thru her bull#? If she can't act like a civilized human being then she should removed by all means necessary.

We wouldn't have the overly aggressive law enforcement situations that seem to happen more often lately if it were more about conflict resolution and less about anger, fear, disobedience and non-compliance

Citizens here demand protection from fear - not just crime. So we get what we ask for

originally posted by: Echo007
Police should be in schools for security only, they shouldn't be used to handle students that act out or fail to listen. The school should have trained staff to deal with students like that. The officer treated the student like he was dealing with a criminal or prisoner. Only time force should be used is to prevent the student from attacking another person.

The school principal should of been called to that class room. If the student still failed to listen, call his/her parent or guardian to come pick them up. Suspend the student for a week, let the parent/guardian know if this happens again, they will suspended the student for a month or longer.

No !! police should not be in schools, it is not a damn prison unarmed monitors maybe, a no nonsense strong principal with a dedicated admin and council to identify problem kids.

originally posted by: Echo007
Police should be in schools for security only, they shouldn't be used to handle students that act out or fail to listen. The school should have trained staff to deal with students like that. The officer treated the student like he was dealing with a criminal or prisoner. Only time force should be used is to prevent the student from attacking another person.

The school principal should of been called to that class room. If the student still failed to listen, call his/her parent or guardian to come pick them up. Suspend the student for a week, let the parent/guardian know if this happens again, they will suspended the student for a month or longer.

So, because one student refuses to listen to the teacher, the 20 other students in the classroom that weren't being disruptive should have their education disrupted? That is exactly what you are saying. Every time a student is being disruptive and refuses to leave a classroom when told by the teacher, 20 other students should just miss out on their education? That is so asinine, I'm having trouble even formulating a response other than that. Your suggestion is asinine. That's like a bar being disallowed to serve alcohol for the rest of the day because one unruly patron decided to be a dumb, belligerent drunk. That's like allowing someone to block your driveway to your house when you are trying to go to work, and dis-allowing the tow truck (who would be the equivalent of police) to tow their car away. That is the same as not allowing anyone else into the city park because that is where some students decided to stage an after school fight.

Yes, all of the above are how dumb this "solution" of yours sounds.

originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: chuck258

Since you have the benefit of analyzing this event after the fact:

What would you have had the cop do in this situation?

So this is ok with you?

www.youtube.com...

1. You are not Sremmons
2. You are avoiding the question, trying to answer it with one of your own.

But since you bit, why don't YOU answer the question to? It will probably fall nicely in line with Sremmons solution, since the typical cop hater types all have trouble thinking for themselves (as evidenced by your dodging a legitimate question). Hell, that question is introducing more sustenance to this thread than a bunch of cop haters all saying the same damn thing.

So, what would you do in this situation?

a reply to: chuck258

It will probably fall nicely in line with Sremmons solution, since the typical cop hater types all have trouble thinking for themselves

I'm not a cop hater - but I am seriously not liking this guy. Do you?

You want this to be an either or argument wherein you defend cops - even this cop - by calling folks cop haters

This cop should be in prison - that's where actual criminals belong

So, what would you do in this situation?

Not what he did - this isn't complicated

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: chuck258

It will probably fall nicely in line with Sremmons solution, since the typical cop hater types all have trouble thinking for themselves

I'm not a cop hater - but I am seriously not liking this guy. Do you?

You want this to be an either or argument wherein you defend cops - even this cop - by calling folks cop haters

This cop should be in prison - that's where actual criminals belong

So, what would you do in this situation?

Not what he did - this isn't complicated

Neither of my responses on thus far in the thread were directed at you.

I will however answer my own question later tonight either after they answer, or if they refuse. The longer they wait to answer my question, the less credibility they are going to have.