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South Carolina school officer caught on video beating down student in arrest
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Lol, agreed, and I would add that any thought of being a child in a home of the members here who mitigates the cops actions because the girl was being a pain in the arse...well, that just makes me shiver.
originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
a reply to: ketsuko
Unless you have a differentent camera angle, no where do you see the girl punch the cop before he tried to grab her head.
No crime was commited, that girl was a pain in the ars, but no way even after all the excuses you posted did the cop have the right to assault her.
So let's break this down. Her offense was not paying attention to the class and texting on her phone. So for that she's going to get tossed out of
class. How that is supposed to help I don't know. At least with her in the class she might learn something.
This whole punishment for disrespect thing has to end. The fact is Respect is something earned not enforced or commanded at will. Cops and Teachers who want respect so damn bad have to put forth the effort to earn it, otherwise nobody has to respect you, deal with it.
The reason she didn't leave is because she didn't think she did anything wrong. So she refused to move. At that point why not as the teacher just go on with the class and talk to her after class or when you have a few moments. Sit down with her and address her like a young adult and find out what's up. You can't just treat people like damn animals for something like not listening to you. What a f**king arrogant attitude to have that since someone won't do what you say you beat them into submission.
This whole punishment for disrespect thing has to end. The fact is Respect is something earned not enforced or commanded at will. Cops and Teachers who want respect so damn bad have to put forth the effort to earn it, otherwise nobody has to respect you, deal with it.
The reason she didn't leave is because she didn't think she did anything wrong. So she refused to move. At that point why not as the teacher just go on with the class and talk to her after class or when you have a few moments. Sit down with her and address her like a young adult and find out what's up. You can't just treat people like damn animals for something like not listening to you. What a f**king arrogant attitude to have that since someone won't do what you say you beat them into submission.
a reply to: ketsuko
Haven't seen anyone defend her for being obstinate, drag the desk out, call the parents ..resorting to violence is a bullsh@t solution. They were worried about the phone causing disruption..fair enough but the hero here caused far more disruption and what kind of crap charging an observer who objected..more BS.
Get real.
Haven't seen anyone defend her for being obstinate, drag the desk out, call the parents ..resorting to violence is a bullsh@t solution. They were worried about the phone causing disruption..fair enough but the hero here caused far more disruption and what kind of crap charging an observer who objected..more BS.
Get real.
originally posted by: yeahright
originally posted by: Sremmos80
Not listening to a cop is not against the law.
Wrong. It's called failure to obey a lawful order.
The order has to be lawful, though. "I'm the law and I gave you an order therefore it's a lawful order" doesn't hold up in court.
School policy is not law, and he cannot enforce it as an officer.
Had he kept his head, trespassed her according to procedure, then used proper force escalation, he'd have a job and she'd be in special ed or home. But "obeh mah athoritay" followed by a roid inspired DDT doesn't cut it. I don't care if you are the coach.
originally posted by: ketsuko
And in other news today, reading and math scores across the nation slipped yet again ...
Gee, I wonder why. Maybe it's because kids today have absolutely no respect for authority? Now I'm not defending the officer, but I will say it should NEVER have gotten to him. Why didn't she put away her damn phone when the teacher asked her to the first time?
Now, that's the $64,000 question. I was one of the wilder kids (my brothers, too, frankly) yet we were buds with the principal and most of the teachers, because they knew if I got out of hand, one call to Dad and my ass was done for. The conversation would be "Send him to the coach, and when he's done, send him home, I'll take care of it" and it would have been a sad sad day. There wasn't a lot of crap I'd risk getting into knowing what would happen, invariably.
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.
This is the alternative presented when nothing is done about unruly children. They are called children for a reason. Supervision is required because they are not mature enough to behave like an adult. Notice the officers in this video don't slam anyone down, but they DO subdue the students. This happens only AFTER the principal was body slammed by the student.
The point here that should be being made isn't that the cop acted in an unorthodox fashion. It's that the situation shouldn't have had to come about in the first place. Having read all of this thread has taught me that this country has been ruined by Political Correctness.
It's now okay for a student to sit in class and disrupt the education of everyone else for 2 hours while the adults that are supposed to be there to enforce order(but aren't out of fear of crap like we're seeing here) try to decide what action(s) they CAN take and not get fired over. Meanwhile, the education that the rest of the class is supposed to be getting, and that WE the TAXPAYER pays for, has come to a complete standstill.
I posit that the student did this for that EXPLICIT purpose!! When the student gets away with things like this, it emboldens the rest of the little heathens in class to do the same thing. Not to mention it makes the teacher someone that's not to be respected or feared, let alone someone to learn anything from. If, by acting out, a single student can have an ENTIRE classroom of students get up and move, just to cater to their crappy outburst, then they have won. This kind of behavior CANNOT be allowed if order is to be maintained in a civilized country.
And everyone wonders why our education system is in the toilet??? I'm not at all surprised. Political Correctness is the deathknell of this country.
TheBorg
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edit on 28-10-2015 by TheBorg because: speelling
a reply to: TheBorg
I might add that at one time, the heathens would have been placed in a heathen-ridden group, where they would do a minimum amount of learning as they passed through the system. Meanwhile, the kids that actually WANTED to learn would be in THEIR own group, free from as much of that sort of distraction as possible.
But at some point, it became PC to mix them, so the heathens 'could learn how to learn', but it just doesn't work that way. Disruptive kids don't learn how to control themselves, they just wreck it for the others.
I might add that at one time, the heathens would have been placed in a heathen-ridden group, where they would do a minimum amount of learning as they passed through the system. Meanwhile, the kids that actually WANTED to learn would be in THEIR own group, free from as much of that sort of distraction as possible.
But at some point, it became PC to mix them, so the heathens 'could learn how to learn', but it just doesn't work that way. Disruptive kids don't learn how to control themselves, they just wreck it for the others.
originally posted by: mOjOm
So let's break this down. Her offense was not paying attention to the class and texting on her phone. So for that she's going to get tossed out of class. How that is supposed to help I don't know. At least with her in the class she might learn something.
This whole punishment for disrespect thing has to end. The fact is Respect is something earned not enforced or commanded at will. Cops and Teachers who want respect so damn bad have to put forth the effort to earn it, otherwise nobody has to respect you, deal with it.
The reason she didn't leave is because she didn't think she did anything wrong. So she refused to move. At that point why not as the teacher just go on with the class and talk to her after class or when you have a few moments. Sit down with her and address her like a young adult and find out what's up. You can't just treat people like damn animals for something like not listening to you. What a f**king arrogant attitude to have that since someone won't do what you say you beat them into submission.
But don't you get it yet, such reasonable response is deemed by some here as either weakness or cuddling bad behaviour for them strength is measured in muscle power, brute force and dominance.
a reply to: Bedlam
Which I think is also part of the plan. The systematic dismantling of the education system is being hastened by actions such as this. It's just one more step in the process of creating a nation of people dependent on Big Brother. Wow, does this sound like 1984 to anyone but me?
TheBorg
Which I think is also part of the plan. The systematic dismantling of the education system is being hastened by actions such as this. It's just one more step in the process of creating a nation of people dependent on Big Brother. Wow, does this sound like 1984 to anyone but me?
TheBorg
originally posted by: Spider879
But don't you get it yet, such reasonable response is deemed by some here as either weakness or cuddling bad behaviour for them strength is measured in muscle power, brute force and dominance.
Yeah, I get it. I get that when you spend year after year pushing propaganda and fear against minorities, the poor, etc. you end up creating an environment where it seems totally justified to have a grown man trained in hand to hand combat weighing twice as much as this 17 year old high school girl, toss her around the room and subdue her for not paying attention during class.
To the normal person this should probably seem a bit extreme. I mean she is a juvenile female high school student and he's a 250+ adult male and trained officer. But to the typical cowardly American Sheep absolute force must be used at all times to make sure "Respect" is given when commanded to be given.
Because pulling her aside after class or something would probably result in absolute chaos, school shootings, arson, cats and dogs living together, complete anarchy!!
It's pretty bad how confused everyone is and what they think is acceptable nowadays.
a reply to: TheBorg
No she should not, and no one is saying she should be.
I think people LOOKING for things to be PC is part of the problem. People seem to not want to look at things objectively because they fear they will be PC about it and that is like water to a witch to some.
The cops actions is 100% the point, and that people seem to think it is justified because she was on her phone and be disrespectful.
Which I agree she was, but would never agree the response she got by the officer is the way to go.
It's now okay for a student to sit in class and disrupt the education of everyone else for 2 hours while the adults that are supposed to be there to enforce order
No she should not, and no one is saying she should be.
I think people LOOKING for things to be PC is part of the problem. People seem to not want to look at things objectively because they fear they will be PC about it and that is like water to a witch to some.
The cops actions is 100% the point, and that people seem to think it is justified because she was on her phone and be disrespectful.
Which I agree she was, but would never agree the response she got by the officer is the way to go.
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.
a reply to: Sremmos80
Things never would have gotten that far if the student would have complied with the 4 previous requests to put her damned phone away. The actions of the officer were a DIRECT response to her actions. Were they over-exxaggerated? Maybe. I refuse to be the judge in that case. All I'm saying is that the child in question here is the SOLE reason any of this occurred, and ALL of the precipitating stuff should rest firmly on her shoulders. It started with her. It easily could have ended the same way, but I believe SHE chose to challenge authority because she knew what would happen.
I maintain that order must be maintained if we're to have any semblance of control in this nation. Allowing students to run free and do as they please, disrupt classes as they choose, and just be general douches just because they can be is just one more sign of the decline of this grand American Experiment.
TheBorg
As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.
a reply to: roadgravel
Oh it will!! And the news will gobble it all up because it's good for ratings!! And lots of policemen and women will lose their jobs because they are trying to maintain law and order. It's gonna be a damned shame when, in 10-15 years time, these same unruly children will be out shooting each other up because they didn't learn respect for their elders when they were kids. If they don't have respect for their elders, who should expect them to have respect for anyone else?
TheBorg
As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.
originally posted by: mOjOm
So let's break this down. Her offense was not paying attention to the class and texting on her phone. So for that she's going to get tossed out of class. How that is supposed to help I don't know. At least with her in the class she might learn something.
This whole punishment for disrespect thing has to end. The fact is Respect is something earned not enforced or commanded at will. Cops and Teachers who want respect so damn bad have to put forth the effort to earn it, otherwise nobody has to respect you, deal with it.
The reason she didn't leave is because she didn't think she did anything wrong. So she refused to move. At that point why not as the teacher just go on with the class and talk to her after class or when you have a few moments. Sit down with her and address her like a young adult and find out what's up. You can't just treat people like damn animals for something like not listening to you. What a f**king arrogant attitude to have that since someone won't do what you say you beat them into submission.
Let's be clear, this is not about "respect" it's about indoctrination.
originally posted by: mOjOm
originally posted by: Spider879
But don't you get it yet, such reasonable response is deemed by some here as either weakness or cuddling bad behaviour for them strength is measured in muscle power, brute force and dominance.
Yeah, I get it. I get that when you spend year after year pushing propaganda and fear against minorities, the poor, etc. you end up creating an environment where it seems totally justified to have a grown man trained in hand to hand combat weighing twice as much as this 17 year old high school girl, toss her around the room and subdue her for not paying attention during class.
To the normal person this should probably seem a bit extreme. I mean she is a juvenile female high school student and he's a 250+ adult male and trained officer. But to the typical cowardly American Sheep absolute force must be used at all times to make sure "Respect" is given when commanded to be given.
Because pulling her aside after class or something would probably result in absolute chaos, school shootings, arson, cats and dogs living together, complete anarchy!!
It's pretty bad how confused everyone is and what they think is acceptable nowadays.
Some folks will blindly go when ordered, they'll will get on that train when ordered, drink that kool aid when ordered , hand over that I.D when someone says Papers please, will stand by and watch with glazed eyes when those that don't are beaten to a pulp, such is they who goes Baa baa , did you noticed that not even the teacher raised a protest, all the other students heads cowed, the one non sheep, a female non the least tried to pray for and speak up for her and was arrested.
If the stuff ever hit the fan it is people like that obstinate lil brat and that girl with a prayer that may take the fight against the them...Baa Baaa Baaa.
a reply to: Spider879
That's right and unfortunately the reflected numbers are probably correct. In the whole class you have about 2 fighters. 2 people using their own mind rather than letting some authority use it for them. Which means if fit hits the shan you better watch your butt, because most likely nobody else is going to watch it for ya.
That's right and unfortunately the reflected numbers are probably correct. In the whole class you have about 2 fighters. 2 people using their own mind rather than letting some authority use it for them. Which means if fit hits the shan you better watch your butt, because most likely nobody else is going to watch it for ya.
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.
a reply to: vonclod
In many ways, respect and fear are inexorably linked. As a parent, you are obligated to make sure you keep your child in order. In the event they get out of line, what do parents do? They threaten the child with punishment if they do not comply. This is just one such example of using fear as a form of gaining respect. I call it a "healthy respect", because with this respect is the understanding that if I get out of line, they will be there to see to it that I suffer the due consequences.
Why is it that being responsible for one's actions is not the norm anymore? Why is it that not being held accountable for anything is acceptable, all while allowing the juvenile delinquents to grow into adult delinquents and have to force the now inept police force to have to stop them by much worse force than was exhibited in the videos presented herein?
To me, the increase in violent crime is definitely correlated with the decline in education in the US.
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