Bryan Fischer: 1st Amendment Religious Freedom only for Christianity

So when it comes to the 1st Amendment and what it says about "Religious Freedom" and "Equal Protection of Religious Worship" there has been a trend that some of us have been pointing out that others have been denying. Well, that trend has jumped into high gear here recently in order to help support Trump's new idea of closing down Mosques here in the United States.

Apparently there is a discussion of whether or not Trump's new plan to shut down Mosques here in the U.S. is possible given that they are considered to be constitutionally protected by the 1st Amendment and Religious Freedom. This however poses a bit of a problem for the Radical Right Wing Religious Cultists who read "Religious Freedom" to mean simply "Christian Dominion". So the question is how do we make it legal to Remove Mosques from the U.S. with that dang ol' Religious Protection Clause protecting it. Well, it seems Bryan Fischer of the very influential organization "American Family Association or AFA" has the solution. Just modify the meaning of the word "Religion" in the Constitution. Yep, exactly as predicted....


Also as predicted, "Religious Freedom" that the Radical Christian Right is always screaming about must also mean "Christian Freedom" as well. Ironic that it is now them who are in fact the biggest threat to "Religious Freedom".

Yep, exactly as predicted....I tell ya, sometimes it just comes easy being right all the time. For someone who doesn't buy into prophesy, I make a pretty good prophet myself when it comes to certain topics.

Star & flag for taking on the never ending task of pointing out the religulous fanatics hypocrisy, lies & dark intent.

K~

Was Trump actually stupid enough to say he wanted to shut down Mosques here in America? The guy in the video is a total idiot that knows nothing about the founders.

This sounds a lot like Sharia Law doesn't it? May as well beat those Muslims at their own game!

originally posted by: buster2010
Was Trump actually stupid enough to say he wanted to shut down Mosques here in America? The guy in the video is a total idiot that knows nothing about the founders.

Apparently so, although I haven't fully investigated that part yet. I've been away working and haven't had time to follow all the news lately so I have just seen some headlines and stuff since I've been back. But it seems as though it is true. I'll have to get back to you on the details about that one though for a clear picture on what's going on there.

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
This sounds a lot like Sharia Law doesn't it? May as well beat those Muslims at their own game!

That's what's so crazy to me is yeah, this is exactly the same as if Muslims wanted to take over and institute sharia law and get rid of Christians. Only I assume they wouldn't just want them removed but it would be quite a violent extermination. So far this is only being talked about as just getting rid of their mosques, not cutting off heads or anything. But basically, ya, same thing just a different organization doing it.

How do they not see that now they themselves are attacking actual "Religious Freedom". By changing it to mean "Christian Freedom" or "Any Specific Religious Freedom" it in fact is in contradiction of the meaning. It just blows me away how blatantly Hypocritical they can be.

originally posted by: aethertek
Star & flag for taking on the never ending task of pointing out the religulous fanatics hypocrisy, lies & dark intent.

K~

Well, thank you. As they say, "It's a dirty job, but someone's got to do it."

a reply to: mOjOm

Or it means what this guy 'interprets'....

What a load of freaking hogwash, the founders were clearly against a single religion, this guy can go fly a freaking kite.

a reply to: buster2010

“It depends if the mosque is, you know, loaded for bear,” he said.

www.nytimes.com...

Is what he said, so I guess he is saying if they can prove it is a radical mosque?
Still a sketchy comment though.

originally posted by: Sremmos80

Or it means what this guy 'interprets'....

What a load of freaking hogwash, the founders were clearly against a single religion, this guy can go fly a freaking kite.

Well, yeah, obviously this guy is nuttier than squirrel poop. But him and his organization have a lot of political influence. Plus, and I should have mentioned this earlier as it's important, what he represents is the mouth piece of a much larger "Religio-Media Establishment".

What I mean by that is that if you follow these guys like Fischer and Robertson and others that are the media arm of a much larger organization you'll notice a pattern of idea distribution. There is a much larger agenda here so what they do, similar to all media nowadays, is that an agenda must be pushed so all of them start talking about the same news stories and similar solutions creating a false consensus. So if you actually tune in to one or two of them you are meant to think this is a major deal and there is such and such solution to it and since they are all saying basically the same thing it seems like everyone is on top of it and that most are in agreement

Regardless of how insane the idea may be they have many talking heads all backing and promoting these solutions and coming up with clever ways of convincing people that the overall consensus is the view they hold and that what they say should be done is the right move. It's major media brainwashing and all the news media does it. They are no different.

a reply to: mOjOm

Meanwhile Ted Cruz called atheists the Taliban

originally posted by: Sremmos80

“It depends if the mosque is, you know, loaded for bear,” he said.

www.nytimes.com...

Is what he said, so I guess he is saying if they can prove it is a radical mosque?
Still a sketchy comment though.

Sounds like we may need to take away their gun rights too perhaps??? Can't allow any American Muslims to be armed just in case they decide to rebel in the name of Allah or whatever, ya know what I mean. So now we not only Remove their "Right to Religious Freedom" but their "Right to Bear Arms too."

Another thing to consider is that by defining "Religious Freedom as Christian Freedom" it not only effects Muslims but every other Religion here in the U.S. as well. Such a change would take away Religious Freedom from all of them but Christians. Maybe only Evangelicals or something too, who knows how strict they would decide to make it given the chance.

That is obviously highly speculative on my part and unlikely but it shows the same line of thinking.

a reply to: mOjOm

Well, when you have one set of beliefs that contradict another, you usually kind of fudge things to get rid of the dissonance it causes. This is just a case of a guy trying to justify his bigotry through verbal diarrhea. He probably actually believes what he's saying which makes it even sadder.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Oh yeah. You should really follow him for a week and listen to some of his ideas. He's got a new ones almost every day. He's been on the air doing this for a while now. He's one of the most radical too IMO while still presenting himself as a credible source of information. There are the way far out radicals who openly call for killing sinners or some stuff but they are considered fringe by almost everyone anyway. But Fischer still holds some degree of credibility while saying some of the most outrageous stuff I've ever heard anyone say. It recently actually cost him his position of being the official spokesperson of the ACA I think. He's still on the air and still promoting similar crazy stuff daily but when officially representing the ACA he dropped a rung somewhere.

It's some amazing entertainment though if nothing else.

a reply to: mOjOm

Dominionism... it has been their plan all along. It is so frustrating when people choose to ignore the fact that the biggest opponent to "Shariah law" is fundamental Christianity who mainly oppose it because that's what they want to do!

Same oppression, just a different logo.

a reply to: mOjOm

I hadn't heard about Trump wanting to close down mosques, so I had to look it up real quick. Specifically, he said he would consider shutting down some mosques to fight ISIS....

The guy in the video I've never heard of before, but he's flat out wrong about "religion" meaning "Christian" to the founding fathers. And he may know this and just be lying through his teeth. In fact, the first colonists were Protestant Christians fleeing Catholic Christian persecution. When the founding fathers demanded religious freedom, it was so that Catholics could not turn the U.S. into another Catholic nation and persecute the Protestants.

If you read Conservative and/or Christian forums, you will still find huge divides between Catholics and Protestants and Baptists and even Mormons. Many Christians of all denominations, including Catholics themselves, are denouncing the Pope himself as blasphemous and heretic. Despite what is portrayed, there is no united Christian front. Christians are divided themselves.

Here is how I see it all: There is a concerted effort to discredit ALL religion, and to bring division and dissension within and between people of faith, as well as between people of faith and no faith. Divide and conquer. Some involved know exactly what they're doing and why... others are just useful tools.

There have always been times and places in which peoples of different faiths have lived, worked and played very well together. It's the people who use religion to manipulate people and gain power that are the problem. For 1st amendment purposes, freedom of religion is synonymous with freedom of conscience, and the right to live accordingly. It protects our right to say "no" to anyone for any reason. THAT's the real target; religion is just one of many battlegrounds. If they convince me that you don't have a right to live your conscience... or if they can convince you that I don't have a right to live my faith... then we have no right to say "no" or "yes." But the government now has the power to tell you and me what we must say "no" or "yes" to.

Is it right to shut down all Mosques because we don't like Muslims? Nope. Is it okay to shut down some Mosques because some use it for criminal activities? I wouldn't think so. But I'm not sure what the appropriate course of action should be either, and would have to hear the thoughts and ideas of people smarter than me. That should be the national dialogue. And if people with an agenda weren't so intent on misconstruing Trump's words and manipulating the people, that would be the national dialogue.

a reply to: mOjOm
Ok....so lets just get one fact straight. Our forefathers never ever could have imagined Muslims living within our boarders. There were no Muslims on the Mayflower....there were no Muslim signers of the Constitution....Why cant humans realize that keeping some ideologies seperate from others is a good thing?

a reply to: odinsway

Look into it, the founding fathers were actually heavily influenced by Islamic writers, hell even the library at Congress still has many of their books.
That they 'couldnt imagine Muslims living within your borders' is hogwash.

Even if it were true, how would you have religious freedom while outlawing a religion? Maybe the founding fathers didn't envisage people telling the whole world their opinions at the press of a key, but does that mean you change freedom of speech? smh

www.loc.gov...

originally posted by: buster2010
Was Trump actually stupid enough to say he wanted to shut down Mosques here in America? The guy in the video is a total idiot that knows nothing about the founders.

He said he would look at shutting certain mosques in relation to fighting terrorism, not all mosques.

Before I barking up a tree, I want more details on what he means by this as I've heard plenty of lefties call for the closing WBC and similar in the past. I assume he means a similar type of criteria.

He also called for revoking the passports of those who go to fight for ISIS too which I think is only fair.

originally posted by: odinsway
a reply to: mOjOm
Ok....so lets just get one fact straight. Our forefathers never ever could have imagined Muslims living within our boarders. There were no Muslims on the Mayflower....there were no Muslim signers of the Constitution....Why cant humans realize that keeping some ideologies seperate from others is a good thing?

There were Muslims that fought in the revolutionary war.
Honoring Muslim American Veterans on Memorial Day

Under George Washington, several Muslim Americans served in the Continental Army during the Revolutionary War. Bampett Muhammad, for example, fought for the "Virginia Line" between 1775 and 1783. History also denotes a man named Yusuf Ben Ali, referred to by his slave name Joseph Benhaley. Ben Ali was descended from North African Arabs and served as an aide to General Thomas Sumter in South Carolina.

Another man believed to be a Muslim in Washington's army was Peter Buckminster, who etched his name into American history at the Battle of Bunker Hill by firing the shot which killed Great Britain's Major General John Pitcairn. After being granted his freedom for freely enlisting in the army, Buckminster changed his last name to "Salem." Historian Amir Muhammad points out that "Salem" is nearly identical to the word "Salam," which is the word for "peace" in the Arabic language. Salem later reenlisted in Washington's army and fought victoriously at the Battle of Saratoga and the Battle of Stony Point, where Washington served as commander.

The presence of these Muslim Americans in several of Washington's most defining moments suggests that Washington cared little for the religious makeup of his army and cared more for their devotion to freedom and independence.