Things They Don't Teach You in Church

Sounds like you should read The Apocryphon of John

It involves Jesus correcting some of the misunderstandings written by Moses in the OT:

"And he (the chief archon) repented for everything which had come into being through him. This time he planned to bring a flood upon the work of man. But the greatness of the light of the foreknowledge informed Noah, and he proclaimed (it) to all the offspring which are the sons of men. But those who were strangers to him did not listen to him. It is not as Moses said, 'They hid themselves in an ark' (Gn 7: 7), but they hid themselves in a place, not only Noah, but also many other people from the immovable race. They went into a place and hid themselves in a luminous cloud. And he (Noah) recognized his authority, and she who belongs to the light was with him, having shone on them because he (the chief archon) had brought darkness upon the whole earth."

Here, it seems evident, that Elohim (OT God) is not "God of the Most High (Jesus/ Our Father)". I'm not sure what to believe at this point, but I think everyone should at least read the Apocryphon of John

originally posted by: Rex282
a reply to: CB328

The ignorance in this thread is overwhelming it would take pages and pages of wasted time to deny it's ignorance.If you don't even know Abraham was not a "patriarch" of Judaism your ignorance is to great to be addressed.The burden of proof is on you and all you have done is proven who is truly ignorant .

....burden of proof, as in links that support the arguments?
Maybe go back and read to the end of his post that gives a couple dozen of them.
I know you won't, because you are a child if faith, not a seeker of truth.

originally posted by: VictorBloodworth

I know you won't, because you are a child if faith, not a seeker of truth.

So you're saying children of faith are not truth seekers? I get what you are trying to say, but realize your ignorance.

If you knew truth you'd know the importance of faith.

a reply to: cooperton

Yes, that's what I'm saying.
Your faith already gives you all the truth wrapped up in a neat little package.
What's to seek?
There is no ignorance in the rejection of faith.
Only logic.
Faith is an act of desperation.

a reply to: VictorBloodworth

Here's an example:
Football team A's quarterback prays for a win..
Team B, does the same.
Team B, wins.
Is it because God is a football fan and he hates those tools on team A?
Was team B's faith more to gods liking?
The answer is NOOOOO.
Both of those things had zero input into the game.
Why?
Because fictitious.

a reply to: Rex282

.If you don't even know Abraham was not a "patriarch" of Judaism your ignorance is to great to be addressed

well according to these...

en.wikipedia.org...(Bible)

Patriarchs (Bible)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
For the movement within evangelical Christianity, see Biblical patriarchy. For uses not directly related to the Bible, see Patriarch (disambiguation).

The bosom of Abraham - medieval illustration from the Hortus deliciarum of Herrad of Landsberg (12th century)
The Patriarchs (Hebrew: אבות ‎ Avot or Abot, singular Hebrew: אב ‎ Ab or Aramaic: אבא Abba) of the Bible, when narrowly defined, are Abraham, his son Isaac, and Isaac's son Jacob, also named Israel, the ancestor of the Israelites. These three figures are referred to collectively as the patriarchs of Judaism, and the period in which they lived is known as the patriarchal age

www.thefreedictionary.com...

pa·tri·arch (pā′trē-ärk′)
n.
1. A man who rules a family, clan, or tribe.
2. Bible
a. One of the antediluvian progenitors of the human race, from Adam to Noah.
b. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, or any of Jacob's 12 sons, the eponymous progenitors of the 12 tribes of Israel.
3. Used formerly as a title for the bishops of Rome, Constantinople, Jerusalem, Antioch, and Alexandria.
4. Roman Catholic Church A bishop who holds the highest episcopal rank after the pope.
5. Eastern Orthodox Church Any one of the bishops of the sees of Constantinople, Antioch, Alexandria, Moscow, and Jerusalem who has authority over other bishops.
6. Judaism The head of the Sanhedrin in Syrian Palestine from about 180 bc to ad 429.
7. Mormon Church A high dignitary of the priesthood empowered to invoke blessings.
8. One who is regarded as the founder or original head of an enterprise, organization, or tradition.
9. A very old, venerable man; an elder.
10. The oldest member of a group: the patriarch of the herd.

Or are you splitting hairs because there was no codified theology at the time of Abraham...You conveniently didn't address any of his other links

a reply to: piney

God sits on the wings of the chirubs.

not quite...you should really read your own book

exodus 25:

18 Make two cherubim of gold—make them of hammered work—at the two ends of the cover. 19 Make one cherub at one end and the other cherub at the other end; of one piece with the cover shall you make the cherubim at its two ends. 20 The cherubim shall have their wings spread out above, shielding the cover with their wings. They shall confront each other, the faces of the cherubim being turned toward the cover. 21 Place the cover on top of the Ark, after depositing inside the Ark the Pact that I will give you. 22 There I will meet with you, and I will impart to you—from above the cover, from between the two cherubim that are on top of the Ark of the Pact…

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

Kind of sounds like a receiver of some sort, as in technological device.
Why does God need a device to communicate?
The burning bush wasn't showy enough?

a reply to: TheLamb

The path to God is closed.

So are you an X-man? Funny how you use the current bible to preach in other threads. You're all over the place.

The first Bible was near perfection. And so it had to be destroyed, the fragments scattered to the four corners of the Earth like the builders,

Where is there any mention of this first Bible?

from your thread...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

People really don't give the authors and God credit when it comes to reading the Scriptures.

a reply to: VictorBloodworth

I know what you mean

a reply to: VictorBloodworth

Kind of sounds like a receiver of some sort, as in technological device

Even though many descriptions in the bible sound like alien tech - when it suits them it miraculous, or of a godly nature,
when it doesn't its from satan.

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight
Christianity is adversary based.
That's the whole point.
Create an us versus everyone, martyr type environment with an unquestionable authoritarian hierarchy, and the few at the top can control those below them based on fear of eternal damnation.
I keep hearing a spiritual life ain't easy...
Well if you can get past all the #ty things you do in life merely by asking an invisible man in the sky to forgive you, that hardly sounds difficult.
Lot easier than just not doing #ty things...

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: VictorBloodworth

Kind of sounds like a receiver of some sort, as in technological device

Even though many descriptions in the bible sound like alien tech - when it suits them it miraculous, or of a godly nature,
when it doesn't its from satan.

I don't necessarily think it has to be alien tech.
That's the one disagreement I have with ancient alien theory.
It could just as easily, and more likely be the presence of an earlier, more advanced human civilization.
Evidence is starting to point to us going back farther civ wise than previously thought (gobekli tepi).
Which, incidentally might prove to be the evidence that supports the over 200 flood myths, which I think is a reference to catastrophic sea rise at the end of the last ice age, ala Graham Hancock.

originally posted by: CB328tas
There are many very strange or unexplainable events in the Christian and Jewish Bibles [...]

Fantasy fiction usually is quite strange... That's what makes it entertaining!

Good thread, I love posts like these. As a Christian I have no problem with and enjoy figuring out the oddities of Scripture. Seems like half of the items you posted contain no real "conspiracy". Most of them have no Scripture verse accounted to them so really there isn't much to discuss.

Eve may not have been Adam's first wife. It is said that Adam was first married to Lilith, who may have been a demon (alien?)

Where in the Bible do you get this? There is no Lillith in Genesis. Other religions/documents come up with this theory.

Moses found belief in Yahweh from the Midianites of Saudi Arabia

Again, what Bible verse is this from?

Moses may have been born from incest

Not really a conspiracy, as this stuff happens in real life. It had to happen at some point right? Whether evolution or creation, the first humans mated with each other. Who else was there?

But again, what Bible verse is this from?

Moses built a bronze snake to cure the peoples' snake bites (sounds like an idol to me)

Yes, this happened in the Bible. No conspiracy here although it is a strange story. No one worshiped it or sacrificed to it. God used it as He saw fit.

There's no proof that the Exodus ever happened- either in Egyptian records or the archaeological record

Not really a conspiracy here either. It's difficult to prove any events from four thousand years ago or older. Records are also written by those in power. Not a big leap to believe the Pharaohs/Egyptians wouldn't record events that make themselves look bad.

Abraham, or Abram as he was originally called, is one of the first and most important leaders or Patriarchs of Judaism, Christianity and Islam.

Again, no conspiracy here. His offspring are very important historical figures.




Anyways, I'm getting tired of going through these. Have a great day!

Magic: That which is unexplainable, untestable and resides completely within our minds. It is also an innate part being human.

We, as a species, must believe in that which we feel but cannot see. This takes the form of Religion, UFOlogy, Mysticism or just the closely held belief in that which does reside in reality. Most of us have a very difficult time distinguishing our personal internal views with the outside world.

Let's take the football game with quarterbacks A and B. Both pray, one wins. However both quarterbacks self-justify God's plan for their respective outcome. Even though there is absolutely no evidence of divine input, both claim it was Gods choice.

All that is required for us to be comfortable with our lives is the belief that there is more than what we see. Even I, just writing this post, believe that there is more to who I am. That is, I am writing this post in the belief that you as the reader will find it profound and insightful. More than likely, in reality, it will just be skimmed over and forgotten.

Church is a place of worship. Their job is to to take your money while you do it. If they educate you about anything, they won't make their money, will they?