Laid Off Disney Worker Heads To The Hill To Dispel Four H-1b Myths

originally posted by: Boadicea
But that means looking the problems square in the eye and determining to do better. Let's hope it's not too late.

We need to know exactly who is pulling the strings. I don't mean names like 'Illuminati' and 'New World Order' here. I mean the actual people who are doing this.

The one thing I have learned in this life so far is that the average Joe on the street in almost every nation on earth has no appetite for war. They don't want to see their country go in and destroy another just for the sake of having some gasoline to put in their car to drive to the shops. They just want to live a happy life with a home and a safe place to raise their family.

So, who are these people?
How did they get into power?
How do we the people neutralize them?

Why did the USA go and topple Libya? Was it envy? Why can't the entire globe adopt what Gadaffi created in Libya?



And back on topic, the reason these 'skilled migrant visas' are so successful shows are very worrying symptom of the American (and global) economy;

We are on a race to the bottom. Money is running out. American companies are now seeking to employ cheaper foreign labour to do the same jobs Americans can do in order to sell products and services and cheaper rates because that is the only way to sell something these days. Everyone looks for the cheapest price. Why? Because they don't have the money they once used to.

It's a self feeding loop that sends economies spiralling downwards in death throws. It all stems from global trade. If a country stops being self sufficient and importing only what it can't make itself, or resources that do not exist under it's feet, you get a big trade deficit and all the money makes it's way offshore to somewhere else.

originally posted by: reldra

Business Excellence Program Manager

We had something similar to this when I worked in a corporate setting, it was handled by 2 or 3 people, but it is now 1 job as times change.... [snip]... NOT an easy job. Especially if the company is adopting new technologies to go with this.

Interesting...

Is there any special training or qualifications that would make foreign workers more qualified than American workers?

Or would foreign workers be more easily trained than Americans?

And given that you've seen the number of employees needed to do the job decrease, do you think that was unique to your company's situation? Or does that number of H1Bs for that position seem high?

a reply to: reldra

Gotcha, was about to look it up myself. Thanks. Sounds like a tough job.
Still wondering why they needed to be imported on a visa program. There were no available US citizens that were worthy applicants?

a reply to: Boadicea
Not really, because it's your OP. I can't dispute what happened at Disney, as I haven;t been there since I was 4. But I can say, you may not know corporate decisions from what Disney does. They have been doing similar for about 20 years.

originally posted by: quercusrex
a reply to: reldra

Gotcha, was about to look it up myself. Thanks. Sounds like a tough job.
Still wondering why they needed to be imported on a visa program. There were no available US citizens that were worthy applicants?

Not a lot. Many companies just switched over from a mainframe platform for many departments (though their customer service dept may have switched long ago) and they needed people who could understand the older systems in places like warehouse management and banctec, which I did go ahead and learn. Sometimes on my own time.

So you needed to know the old mainframe...which my predecessor taught me...in order to learn what eventually covered it up.



Keep in mind, many large companies in the US still run on very old mainframe computers that are 'covered up' or synched with newer software that new employees can learn easier.



when the mainframe needs an emergency reboot, a new foreign employee will know how to do it.

a reply to: reldra

Visa manipulation is rampant across the spectrum of business. It might be most abundant in the IT world, where specialization and modernization might allow some excuses to pass, but I have seen it first hand involving skilled trades.

This affects both white and blue collar workers.

originally posted by: quercusrex
a reply to: reldra

Visa manipulation is rampant across the spectrum of business. It might be most abundant in the IT world, where specialization and modernization might allow some excuses to pass, but I have seen it first hand involving skilled trades.

This affects both white and blue collar workers.

It's possible. But a lot of the new IT people have graduated from places that only teach the newest things. Weird, knowing what I know. First, one has to know older systems and a secondary problem is that the old mainframe was specialized in a very particular way for that business. Many new applicants don't know what to do with it. Foreigners. especially from India and Indonesia, are fresh off of that type of system. Only have to train the quirks then, not the entire thing.

a reply to: reldra
If a resume states that they know how to run and maintain X circa 1978 mainframe computer with various new software interacting with it...guess who gets the job?

a reply to: reldra

I see your point but find it hard to believe that Infosys had to apply for 64,332 visas for IT workers in 2013 because they couldn't find any here in the U.S.

originally posted by: quercusrex
a reply to: reldra

I see your point but find it hard to believe that Infosys had to apply for 64,332 visas for IT workers in 2013 because they couldn't find any here in the U.S.

That number seems quite high. I agree. I would think less than 5k would be enough and they could train whatever was missing.

a reply to: reldra
In regard to Disney, if it was for cast and service jobs, the are a business and they can do as they please as long as it doesn't violate a contract or union agreement.

a reply to: reldra
I actually question that # myself.
However, I have seen crews of 100 - 200 fitters and welders being brought in on these visa programs, provided housing and transportation in exchange for half the going wage, while there were plenty of available skilled local workers.

originally posted by: quercusrex
a reply to: reldra
I actually question that # myself.
However, I have seen crews of 100 - 200 fitters and welders being brought in on these visa programs, provided housing and transportation in exchange for half the going wage, while there were plenty of available skilled local workers.

This is what I see happening too and people continue to claim that my "interpretation of those transpiring events" is incorrect.

So in a nutshell, illegal immigrant employment agencies are taking all ya' jobs?

a reply to: markosity1973

Thank you for the video -- I'll watch it when I get a chance.

So, who are these people?
How did they get into power?
How do we the people neutralize them?

I know it's important to figure out who is doing this, both publicly and behind the scenes, but I've gotten to the point where I'm so sick of the personal politics that I find myself staying away from the "who" and trying to focus on the "what" and "how." Although I now find that any time a problem is blamed on the victim... or blamed on our fellow countrymen... I know someone is deflecting away from even worse actions.

As for neutralizing them, I think it comes down to empowering the people in various ways. Informing and educating is just the start.... brainstorming... civil disobedience...

a reply to: Boadicea

I was totally shocked and dismayed when I watched that video. Gadaffi was murdered over the petrodollar.

What kind of sick world do we live in when our leaders callously kill a benevolent dictator in cold blood over the currency he trades in?

We could all live in utopia if we the people of the world connected at an everyday level instead of letting our leaders commit awful crimes in our name.

And the same companies who import "talent" from other countries because they claim people in their own countries are untalented idiots and that the talent they need is not available here due to the poor quality of education in our country are the same ones who also flood other countries with education funding rather than contributing to raising the quality of in their own countries. Weird, right? The only bright spot is how this is coming back to bite them as their "cheaper" labor turns out to be only a temporary solution. But back to the darker side again is the damage they've done here. Traitors all.

originally posted by: markosity1973
a reply to: Boadicea

I was totally shocked and dismayed when I watched that video. Gadaffi was murdered over the petrodollar.

What kind of sick world do we live in when our leaders callously kill a benevolent dictator in cold blood over the currency he trades in?

I read an article very similar to the video -- probably about the same time -- and I had the same reaction. It's unconsionable. And knowing what I know now about Qadaffi (and the banksters), the more our govt demonizes others, the more I question and suspect our own...

We could all live in utopia if we the people of the world connected at an everyday level instead of letting our leaders commit awful crimes in our name.

I agree. Hence their constant efforts to keep us blaming each other and fighting each other and hating each other, and otherwise mucking up the works any way they can.

originally posted by: ~Lucidity
And the same companies who import "talent" from other countries because they claim people in their own countries are untalented idiots and that the talent they need is not available here due to the poor quality of education in our country are the same ones who also flood other countries with education funding rather than contributing to raising the quality of in their own countries. Weird, right? The only bright spot is how this is coming back to bite them as their "cheaper" labor turns out to be only a temporary solution. But back to the darker side again is the damage they've done here. Traitors all.

Good point. I do think one of the remedies -- if not eliminating these foreign work visas altogether -- is to require the companies using foreign labor to contribute to the education and training of Americans to do the same work, perhaps with a surtax on the wages of the foreign labor? And, of course, the companies should be paying fair market wages to the foreign workers. It's a no brainer that it should not be cheaper and easier to hire foreign workers than American workers.

originally posted by: Boadicea

originally posted by: reldra

Business Excellence Program Manager

We had something similar to this when I worked in a corporate setting, it was handled by 2 or 3 people, but it is now 1 job as times change.... [snip]... NOT an easy job. Especially if the company is adopting new technologies to go with this.

Interesting...

Is there any special training or qualifications that would make foreign workers more qualified than American workers?

Or would foreign workers be more easily trained than Americans?

And given that you've seen the number of employees needed to do the job decrease, do you think that was unique to your company's situation? Or does that number of H1Bs for that position seem high?

You would first have had to have enough industry experience to have become a manager, then you would have had to gained the Six Sigma management qualification.

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This would have had to have been in a pharmaceutical industry background. Not only will the candidate have had to have enough experience to manage but also going to be asked to mentor other people, which is going to involve doing presentations, writing papers, doing talks, attending conferences. Especially since this involves reporting to the Director, that's going to involve visiting sites and looking for opportunities to improve productivity.