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the government moved him from an extremely low security federal prison camp in New York State where he was within easy driving distance from family and friends, to a federal correctional institute, first in Indiana and then in Texas. This was done specially to give him access to better medical care. ... Yet while at these supposed superior medical facilities, my father received virtually no medical care at all, not even for the cataracts that left him legally blind, until the skin cancer on his head had spread to just about every organ in his body. ... We tried to get him out of prison on compassionate release so that he could live out the final months of his life with his family, spending some precious moments with the grandchildren he had barely known. ...despite the combined help of a sitting Democratic U.S. congresswoman and a Republican U.S. senator, his petition was still sitting on someone’s desk waiting for yet another signature, even though everyone at the prison actually wanted him released. Even as my father lay dying in intensive care, a phone call came in from a lawyer and the Bureau of Prisons in Washington asking the prison medical representatives for more proof of the serious nature of my father’s condition.
... As the cancer consumed him his voice changed, and the prison phone system no longer recognized it, so he could not even talk with family members on the phone during his finale month of life. When his condition deteriorated to the point where he needed to be hospitalized, government employees blindly following orders kept him shackled to his bed. This despite the fact that escape was impossible for an 87 year old terminally ill, legally blind patient who could barley breathe, let alone walk.
The BLM situation was different. Yeah, what goes around, comes around. But did Irwin Schiff really treat IRS employees badly, like by shackling them to a post while they were dying of cancer? If the IRS simply left it at "You think we are wrong? No, you're wrong." That would be what goes around, comes around. Or in the BLM case when the feds went in to point guns at the Bundy Ranch, the Bundy Ranch got ready to point guns back. That was "what goes around, comes around".
originally posted by: jimmyx
sounds like the rancher guy not paying grazing taxes for 20 years like the other ranchers did, and then proceeded to run his cattle anyway on government land. even after going to court (he lost) he got his anti-government guys to come and protect him, with loaded AR's pointed at the BLM police until they backed down....now an anti-government, anti-tax, man can't get government to work in a timely manner for his benefit?????.....the phrase:....what goes around, comes around comes to mind.
originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: jimmyx
I never swore fealty to the Feds. Many other people didn't either.
Screw them.
At the end of the week before he died, Irwin Schiff didn't give money on a weekly basis to people who blew up a hospital recently. Did you? I believe a fitting punishment for your support of those who did that would be to shackle you to a Doctors Without Borders hospital bed and see if you make it out alive. I welcome you to propose a fitting punishment for me for looking at the US feds as a joke much like Schiff did. Given Schiff's years in prison and being denied access to medical care wasn't enough for you, I wonder how much further you want to take it? Should I simply be summarily executed, or perhaps that isn't enough and I should be tortured too?
originally posted by: rickymouse
Well, if he would have followed the law like he was supposed to, he would not have been in prison and shackled to a bed.
Prisoners often get handcuffed to the bed when in the hospital, someone could have wheeled him out. A guard is usually close by or someone is assigned a key when prisoners are in the hospital to uncuff them if needed.
Most people do not live to be eighty seven, prison life must have been treating him good.
originally posted by: wayforward
At the end of the week before he died, Irwin Schiff didn't give money on a weekly basis to people who blew up a hospital recently. Did you? I believe a fitting punishment for your support of those who did that would be to shackle you to a Doctors Without Borders hospital bed and see if you make it out alive. I welcome you to propose a fitting punishment for me for looking at the US feds as a joke much like Schiff did. Given Schiff's years in prison and being denied access to medical care wasn't enough for you, I wonder how much further you want to take it? Should I simply be summarily executed, or perhaps that isn't enough and I should be tortured too?
originally posted by: rickymouse
Well, if he would have followed the law like he was supposed to, he would not have been in prison and shackled to a bed.
Prisoners often get handcuffed to the bed when in the hospital, someone could have wheeled him out. A guard is usually close by or someone is assigned a key when prisoners are in the hospital to uncuff them if needed.
Most people do not live to be eighty seven, prison life must have been treating him good.
There is no "the law". There are many organizations with conflicting laws. The only law people "should" follow as you put it, is law they have agreed to follow. Its the idea of a social contract. But even when you break the law, that doesn't mean anything goes as you are implying. If there was a "the law", then perhaps the feds wouldn't spend so much of the time breaking their own laws with impunity. You may view the system we have as some kind of order, but I see it as mass chaos.