Separation of Church and State. Why Anti-Theistic Theories don't belong in Public Education.

Of coarse a very technology advanced civilization could have the knowledge to create everything we see around us and they could do it in a few days. Kinda strange to set aside a plausible theory that relies on science evolving to unimaginable levels while claiming science refutes such from being plausible. me thinks you all do not think much beyond your agenda

I honestly think a few of my braincells died screaming after having read that.

It boggles the mind how one person can singlehandedly butcher the entire scientific field with one post. Congratulations, we are all dumber for having read that.

a reply to: deadeyedick

An advanced civilization creating what we see today isn't all that plausible though.

a reply to: Sremmos80

Well obviously not to you or you would have a different position on the topic.

Personally i know that anything is possible if there is a need it creates an opportunity.

a reply to: Kryties

It is a gift...

a reply to: deadeyedick

Possible and plausible are different words.

I won't deny that it is possible, we don't know everything but it doesn't look very plausible.

Watched all the Ancient Aliens shows too, they do make it convincing but that doesn't change the logistics of it all

originally posted by: Isurrender73

Most of my religious ideas are my own, since I don't follow any organized religion, nor any ritualistic dogma. I prefer to read the texts for myself and form my own opinions, which is the same way I approach science.

All your religious 'ideas' are based off the bible no?.......then they're far from your own

I can read and I can comprehend what I read. I don't need anyone to tell me what to think. And my child will not need anyone to tell her what to think. She is free to disagree with me and she is never been made afraid to express herself to me.

Do you really expect anyone after reading this thread to actually believe that??

What if she was a hard atheist and she accepted evolution? She could tell you that without any trepidation?

a reply to: Prezbo369

My religious beliefs include all of the following sacred texts.

Torah, Zohar, New Testament, Various Gnostic Texts, Quran, Avesta, Vedas, Upshands, Maharbata(Bhagarad Gita), Buddha's Discourses on the 4 Nobel Truths and 8 Fold Path, The Lotus Sutra, Dhammapada, Homers Odyssey, Plato the Complete Works, Emerald Tablets, Various Egyptian Writings on Isis, Osiris and Horus, Analects of Confucius , I-Ching, Tao te Ching, Tibetan Book of the Dead, Guru Granth Sahib, Various Native American Writings.

I believe something similar to Mahatma Gandhi who said all the religions teach the same message with a few errors. I disagree. I believe all the religious texts teach the same basic message with no errors.

My love for my daughter is Unconditional, it is part of my Spiritual Beliefs that I share with her. Loving ones enemy can be a challenge, but anyone who doesn't love their own child Unconditionally does not follow any of the scriptures that I follow.

a reply to: Isurrender73

If anyone wants to actually debate the science in the OP and stop attacking my intelligence.

1. Is the speed of Light Constant?
2. If it is not Constant is it reliable for measuring?
3. Is Hubbles assumed Red Shift considered fact by all scientific models?
4. Can you guarantee the amount of available Carbon was a constant for carbon dating accuracy?
5. Can you explain why geological columns don't match up globally?
6. Can you provide me an experiment that shows single cell to multi cell evolution that all evolutionary science agrees is proof of evolution(which is not the case in the yeast experiment)?
7. Can you provide me with an experiment that definitively proves evolution occurrs which crosses genus?

These are the foundation of what you believe. Why do I have believe anything with such a weak foundation? Why is asking science to provide these answers such a problem for all of you?

I will accept any science once it has a model that isn't flawed at it's foundation.

Your constant bickering about what is theory is ridiculous. I am not the one who put together many sophisticated hypothesis that can not be proven by scientific method and labeled it a Theory.

You defend these things as fervently as young earth creationist defend the bible. And many of you use ad hominem responses that show no desire to debate actual science.

I am not defending creationism because I know I can't prove it. I am asking science for models whose foundations are not flawed and can be demonstrated accurately through scientific method.

And I am willing to read anything and change my mind if presented with a working model.

a reply to: Isurrender73

No one can prove that God did not create according to kinds.

So??

No one can prove that magical ponies, unicorns, and pegasi did not create the Universe. No one can prove that when we die we don't become equine creatures our selves and transcend to Ponyville. You can't, right?

Anyone can make up any metaphysical idea that we couldn't possibly disprove. That doesn't lend credence to the belief.

Origins and Evolution are direct contradictions to religion

So is the field of cosmology. So is much of what we know.

Like I said, if we remove all knowledge that is in contradiction with scripture then we'd essentially be removing education from schooling.

a reply to: Lucid Lunacy
unicorns are in the AV Bible.

But because so called rational men couldn't accept it as anything other than Unicorns they manipulate newer versions to say Rhinoceros.

But if God says there are Unicorns there are Unicorns plain and simple.

The bible doesn't teach a Santa Claus yet these same so called rational men lied to their children that there was a Santa Claus who put presents under a Tree for them once a year. and a mythical Easter bunny too.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

But if God says there are Unicorns there are Unicorns plain and simple.

It's hardly that simple.

Using the Bible to validate the veracity of Biblical claims is circular reasoning, which is illogical.

If God exposed itself to me and told me unicorns existed then I would believe and agree with you. That's clearly not the case. Plain and simple.

a reply to: Lucid Lunacy
oh ye of little faith.

Do you tell your children about Santa or the Easter bunny

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Lucid Lunacy
oh ye of little faith.

Do you tell your children about Santa or the Easter bunny

No. I don't. I say to them that others follow traditions that include those characters.

As for Isurrender73, sorry i haven't responded in the past day and a bit, was a little busy. I should be able to comment on your responses tonight some time.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

Zero faith. Indeed, I have none. I think beliefs should be grounded in reason, not faith.

Nor do I have children.

a reply to: Lucid Lunacy
Maybe it is good you don't have any.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Lucid Lunacy
Maybe it is good you don't have any.

He/she seems to be a rational person to me. Sounds like we need more parents like Lucid Lunacy.

Now how about you get back on topic instead of just insulting people?

a reply to: ChesterJohn

Maybe it is good you don't have any.

I think it's good I don't rely on faith, yeah. That's my thought.

I'm not in fear of being wrong and subsequently being judged by Yahweh either.

**Edit: Oh you meant children... heh.

a reply to: Ghost147

Now how about you get back on topic

I agree. I'll try and be more on topic too.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

Ah yes, the tolerant Christian...
I've said it before, and I'll repeat it for you...
If there is a god, and I have to explain myself as to why my lack of faith, I'll point to people like you, and say "see that lamb of god over there?
You see, men like that perverted your message for millenia, twisted your teachings to fit their purpose, judged those of us that doubted THEIR words, not yours, and committed atrocities in your name to make themselves feel superior...now I ask you, oh lord, would you believe anything these liars and hypocrites put forward as your truth?....yeah, didn't think so."
If your God truly exists, then it will be you who will have some explaining to do, sir.
Good luck with that....

once again: if it cannot be proven false, it cannot be proven true. any hypothesis (google it) is worthless if it is unable to be falsified. full stop.

there is one theism-neutral theory which has fulfilled this requirement. it is the one currently taught in public schools. it is not anti-theistic, it simply doesnt address theism. but if we are talking about the general curriculum, theism is more than represented in public education. i recall norse, greek, roman, aztec, and hindu mythology, to name a few. legends we arent in danger of confusing with reality, i suppose.