EU bungs Turkey £2.2BILLION to keep migrants out of Europe – but ALL Turks welcome

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This is just madness. I am seriously beginning to think Frau Merkel has something wrong with her. How can such huge decisions like this have been made and so out of the blue! This will mean Europe can expect millions of Turkish citizens moving freely through Europe on top of the already swelling numbers of migrants. This should show the UK that we need to get out of this madhouse sooner rather than later. At the present time David Cameron is saying the referendum will take place at the end of 2017. That is two years from now and by then the damage will already have been done if these visas are given out from next year. We already have up to 500,000 a year entering Britain from the EU which is unsustainable. 500,000 will seem like nothing if Turkey are given freedom to move throughout Europe. I am truly starting to feel like we are living under some sort of dictatorship because it seems what Frau Merkel wants, Frau Merkel gets. I find this really worrying especially because it seems to have all happened overnight without any real discussion with the other countries in the EU. Madness!!

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We already have up to 500,000 a year entering Britain from the EU which is unsustainable.

Blow back's a bitch…

Don't worry, Syrian refugees will be returning home, Russia is dealing with the problem.

originally posted by: anxiouswens
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This is just madness. This will mean Europe can expect millions of Turkish citizens moving freely through Europe on top of the already swelling numbers of migrants.

I don't understand why you think this policy is madness? Surely letting in millions and millions more Islamics on top of the millions already here is a good thing for us. I don't get what is wrong with this. We should applaud Mrs Merkel and thank here for this

It sounds like a good idea but I can foretell this will not solve the predicament. Its just points for prizes and by now most members of this forum must realize that politicians now days have no clue of what is going on the street level, they just bumble along with their sugar coated sound bites for the jazzy media.

Don't worry, Syrian refugees will be returning home, Russia is dealing with the problem.

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You have to wonder, if that is truly the case, how will Russia be received around the world? I personally feel the world population will be much more accepting of Russia. NATO and the United States will be looked upon as being the losers and untrustworthy. If Russia does eliminate ISIS once and for all, there should be an investigation into NATO and America's involvement and why they allowed ISIS and the "rebels" to take control of Syria. Why didn't they join, cooperate and combine forces with Russia to eliminate this terroristic threat? Governments around the world believed ISIS was a threat.

a reply to: intrptrI'm not worried about Syrian Refugees! I'm worried about the 76 million Turks who are going to be given visas to allow them to move freely throughout the EU. I'm also bothered that once again this seems to be Merkel's decision and that once again we have got to pay to the tune of £260 million to help to fund this when we are supposedly in austerity to deal with the national debt! Don't really know what you are going on about as far as blow back!! This is to do with the UK spending billions to belong to this bloody dictatorship, the EU!! Sooner the referendum, the better!

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Wrong. Still have to apply for visa.
And getting one is for a Turk much harder than for you...

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So it's ok for EU nationals to come to Turkey without restrictions but it is not ok for Turks to do the same for EU ?

Got it !!!

Oh , if you get attacked by a non Nato power , you do expect the Turks to fight against the aggressors with you , yes ?

Turks are good enough to defend your land & livelyhood yet not good enough to eat at the same table as equals , eh ?

Bigot much ?

originally posted by: intrptr
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We already have up to 500,000 a year entering Britain from the EU which is unsustainable.

Blow back's a bitch…

Don't worry, Syrian refugees will be returning home, Russia is dealing with the problem.

Just so you know , the biggest refugee mass yet of upto 5 million Syrians are expected to head north to Turkey precisely due to Russia's actions on the ground .

So Syrians aren't returning home because home is occupied & and still is in a quasi civil proxy war.

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Governments around the world believed ISIS was a threat.

Thats what they are told by the western main stream media, rest of the world isn't fooled anymore by US cries of WMD and Humanitarian Intervention.

If you listen closely you can hear them complaining about what Russia is doing…

Crickets

Edit: Thoughtful post by the way, thanks for that.

originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: anxiouswens

We already have up to 500,000 a year entering Britain from the EU which is unsustainable.

Blow back's a bitch…

Don't worry, Syrian refugees will be returning home, Russia is dealing with the problem.

Just so you know , the biggest refugee mass yet of upto 5 million Syrians are expected to head north to Turkey precisely due to Russia's actions on the ground .

So Syrians aren't returning home because home is occupied & and still is in a quasi civil proxy war.

Home had been destroyed by 4 years of insurgency and for the last year, tens of thousands of bombing sorties by the US. All that has turned off power, water, sewage, communications, food and rail transport. Thats what is causing the flood of refugees. You think the US was bombing ISIS all that time? Pounding sand in the desert? Fllods of refugees are from war torn regions alright. The insurgency war the uS started. The mantra, "Assad must go" is all western sponsored.

But go ahead and blame the Russians, they been there what, two weeks(?)

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Don't really know what you are going on about as far as blow back!!

In this case, NATO has bombed the countries the people are running from. The repercussion (blow back) is all the refugees. Part of the gynormous austerity (debt) the EU faces is because of the huge defense expenditures on the part of the EU (read that, NATO) to invade those countries.

Now the refugees are blowing back in the EU's face.

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You whine about this in every related thread, and I note your smugly sanctimonious style of debate.

I asked in another thread, what country are you from? Yet you fail to respond.
Just share the country, no security risk to you is there, then we can see what blood is on your hands as you bleat that it is all the fault of citizens in EU nations.

So come on, what country are you from? Perhaps we can see if your smug attitude is justified?

originally posted by: intrptr

Home had been destroyed by 4 years of insurgency and for the last year, tens of thousands of bombing sorties by the US. All that has turned off power, water, sewage, communications, food and rail transport. Thats what is causing the flood of refugees. You think the US was bombing ISIS all that time? Pounding sand in the desert? Fllods of refugees are from war torn regions alright. The insurgency war the uS started. The mantra, "Assad must go" is all western sponsored.

But go ahead and blame the Russians, they been there what, two weeks(?)

For this up coming 5 million refugees , i think yes russians are also responsible too .

Russians are hitting ALL anti Esad groups , including the non ISIS parties too .

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US.

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For this up coming 5 million refugees , i think yes russians are also responsible too .

Russians are hitting ALL anti Esad groups , including the non ISIS parties too .

Last I heard, Lebanon, Jordan and Turkey all had a million Syrian refugees, each. In Lebanon, thats 1 in 5 population. I have no trouble believing theres millions of refugees heading out of not just Syria, but other countries also affected by failed western Interventions.

There are tens of factions of insurgents from outside operating in Syria. Financed, trained and armed by the US in training camps in Qatar and elsewhere. If Assad is ever defeated it will reduce to a morass of infighting between them just like Libya. We fixed that place real good.

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To be fair, everyone's arming everyone. Whether it's Iran arming that lot, Saudi arming them, Egypt chucking stuff at those over there, Russia dumping arms all over the place, Jordan giving it to them, or the US etc... Even North Korea are apparently in on the act. I've got a shot gun - anyone interested?

It's who you support that counts.

Syria is a brutal dictator who sparked a violent confrontation. Everyone thought it was time for him to go. Russia and Iran thought it would be good if he stayed. Instead of being sorted a few years ago, the mayhem continues.

originally posted by: anxiouswens
a reply to: intrptrI'm not worried about Syrian Refugees! I'm worried about the 76 million Turks who are going to be given visas to allow them to move freely throughout the EU. I'm also bothered that once again this seems to be Merkel's decision and that once again we have got to pay to the tune of £260 million to help to fund this when we are supposedly in austerity to deal with the national debt! Don't really know what you are going on about as far as blow back!! This is to do with the UK spending billions to belong to this bloody dictatorship, the EU!! Sooner the referendum, the better!

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In 1975 our enlightened leaders signed the "Lima Declaration of 1975" where the Western countries promised to share their wealth with the rest of the world. So they promised to give 30% of all jobs in perpetuity to the developing world; first manufacturing, then back end office jobs, IT jobs, transcription work. When all those were gone, they started bringing over foreign workers.

originally posted by: intrptr
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US.

Then you have the same blood on your hands.
You ranted in another thread that EU folk have responsibility solely for being citizens of EU nations.
You are equally responsible then, maybe more so as a US citizen.

Holier than thou, sanctimonious, and rabidly criticising people as being responsible just for being citizens of EU nations.
You are a US citizen so shoulder exactly the same responsibility by your reasoning.

...I'm disappointed, was hoping you'd say Kasakstan or somewhere, but no, the US, you are as guilty as anyone else yet you criticise the EU.
Lame as #.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: anxiouswens

We already have up to 500,000 a year entering Britain from the EU which is unsustainable.

Blow back's a bitch…

Don't worry, Syrian refugees will be returning home, Russia is dealing with the problem.

Most of the aren't Syrian.