This might be it! WW3 is coming...

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So China is building these artificial islands in the Pacific and claim now full ownership of everything in the area. Well that doesn't sit very well with the surrounding countries including the US.

China has now vowed to repeal any intruders with force even if it's an US Warship.

We always talk about how a simple event will ignite world war 3 and I believe that this is one of these situations. Who cares about a small group of islands but the tension between China and the surrounding countries could lead to a fatal decision. If they attack a US warship this might be the trigger.

With Russia fully back on the international table and confident in it's ability, the middle eastern in full warfare, China reaching a level to battle US forces, this might be it.

This is like history repeats itself. In WW2 the main theater was in Europe and it was not until end of 1941 when the Pacific theater was in full effect. Today we have the Middle Eastern Theater in full warfare and the island event could be the ignition of a new Pacific theater.

Now let's imagine that this really would happen - China fires on an US warship because China thinks that they violated their sea- and airspace. Maybe killing multiple sailors in the process. The US warships return fire, destroying various military assets on these islands.

What would happen next?

Scenario 1:

China might declare this incident as an provoked attack and starts shifting it's policy towards extreme hostility towards any "invading" country. It would close down its airports to foreign hostile carriers, maybe even arrest citizens of hostile countries. But they won't declare war towards anyone. They will run this under the presumption of protecting "their" borders. It's impossible for China to start a war - they would need to be extremely confident in their ability to continue economy growth without Europe, US, Australia and most other regions and countries. They might start trying to "grab" some of the surrounding countries in the process but most countries will only urge China to stop their activities with words and not actual trying to stop them.

The United States will not take this matter lightly either. There will be repercussion in terms of new laws against Chinese citizens/immigrations and investors. Maybe even temporarily stop all Chinese investments into the United States, freeze Chinese bank accounts and you know the Chinese Ambassadors better books himself a room close to Congress because he/she will spent a lot of time there. American consumers probably will look closer on a products origin and maybe even avoid buying Chinese products. A whole new wave of propaganda and anti-chinese campaigns will ignite and it will hurt China in the short term but China won't act on it - they will try to play it down.

Basically a couple people lost their lives and everyone moves on, but the world will be changed. Trust will be lost but most effects will be temporary. Russia btw just is standing by. They are not going with China into this "battle".

Scenario 2:

As in scenario 1, China will lockdown their airports, ports, etc. Russia is flying into Turkey more provocative and also starts building up more troops along the Nato borders. The NATO has to act on fears of an eventual invasion. They also built up troops on their side. The United States is activating it's warfare plans and are placing their assets in strategic locations around the world.

A lot of tension will be built up around the world and everyone is waiting for the enemy to take the first move. But that won't happen. They might be small incidents but they won't ignite a full out war. We basically slip back into a cold war.

Scenario 3:

This is the doomsday scenario of course. Russia is seeing the opportunity to go in with a first strike. Having assets in the Middle Eastern, they will attack Turkey as the gateway to Europe and start a massive build up on the Polish borders and the baltic sea. China will activate it's neighbors like North Korea which of course will take an aim on South Korea to test the waters how the United States will react. The United States will not act, so China is confident it's in ability to continue in their region to "acquire" new land masses. Eventually these countries will try to fight back but in the end surrender. Trust to the Western powers are lost and the two axis of powers will be pretty much isolated from each other. Small war theaters will happen here and there ... now the question is if anyone has the guts to use Nuclear weapons?


Any of these scenarios, I highly suspect that we will see any warfare on US soil anytime soon. Even in Europe. Most of these wars will be done in proxy wars and there will be very little direct engagement.

Even it doesn't directly affect us in terms of "running for your life", I still believe it will have a tremendous amount of influence how we go by our daily lives.

It's all a bit of a grasp, But certainly exciting.

a reply to: flyandi

So China is building these artificial islands in the Pacific and claim now full ownership of everything in the area. Well that doesn't sit very well with the surrounding countries including the US.

US isn't a "surrounding country" there, sport. Thats part of the problem.

Its their turf over there, sooner the Cretins in the West realize they don't own the world, the better for everyone. If war starts it will be because they finally had enough, over there.

I don't know about your "scenarios" but I see it like this.

Two friends (China) & (US) get in each others face and habe a heated argument. One slaps the other one for getting too close, and it escalates into a fist fight...

I wish it wasn't the case, but the superpowers still seem to play by playground rules... which is very dangerous and makes the chances of a full scale third world war all the more likely to break out.

Someone convince me I'm wrong.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: flyandi

So China is building these artificial islands in the Pacific and claim now full ownership of everything in the area. Well that doesn't sit very well with the surrounding countries including the US.

US isn't a "surrounding country" there, sport. Thats part of the problem.

Its their turf over there, sooner the Cretins in the West realize they don't own the world, the better for everyone. If war starts it will be because they finally had enough, over there.

Well, we still have international laws giving NO country the right to take over and declare a part of the world their own that was agreed to be shared.

With Russia intervening in the mess in the M.E and China flexing their muscles, yes this really could be it.

How prepared are the West for any conflict against either of these nations? I would suggest we could probably front up Russia, but China are the real unknown.

A civilised World would learn from history, but it appears those at the top are blinkered. Is this because WWII is just a mere memory for those that lived in those times? Or could it be because we have the same dark forces behind it all?

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978
With Russia intervening in the mess in the M.E and China flexing their muscles, yes this really could be it.

How prepared are the West for any conflict against either of these nations? I would suggest we could probably front up Russia, but China are the real unknown.

A civilised World would learn from history, but it appears those at the top are blinkered. Is this because WWII is just a mere memory for those that lived in those times? Or could it be because we have the same dark forces behind it all?

Depends of they tag team her.

a reply to: flyandi

That would be the US "Double International Standard" rule book. The one thats not in print so it doesn't apply?

It's almost as if both sides want it to happen, IMO.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: flyandi

So China is building these artificial islands in the Pacific and claim now full ownership of everything in the area. Well that doesn't sit very well with the surrounding countries including the US.

US isn't a "surrounding country" there, sport. Thats part of the problem.

Its their turf over there, sooner the Cretins in the West realize they don't own the world, the better for everyone. If war starts it will be because they finally had enough, over there.

China does not own international waters. Can Japan, Taiwan, et al stand up to China? I doubt it. So who do they ask for help?

It's really not as simple as you're tying to make with your hate the west goggles on.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: flyandi

That would be the US "Double International Standard" rule book. The one thats not in print so it doesn't apply?

Well, China hasn't even read the first book that they signed. It's China grabbing for land not the US.

originally posted by: angryhulk
It's almost as if both sides want it to happen, IMO.

It certainly seems that way, that's why I mentioned the same dark forces at play. How many people are around today that actually participated in WWII?

Not many and so the cycle begins.

a reply to: flyandi

I think it's interesting you think the Chinese would fire on the us causing multiple casualties and the us would return fire from that boat and destroy some Chinese infrastructure... I'm pretty sure if china is going to fire on a us boat, it's going to sink it.

They have had enough of US meddling in what they see as their waters, this was their warning not to continue intruding on what they (china) views as their waters.

originally posted by: Hijinx
a reply to: flyandi

I think it's interesting you think the Chinese would fire on the us causing multiple casualties and the us would return fire from that boat and destroy some Chinese infrastructure... I'm pretty sure if china is going to fire on a us boat, it's going to sink it.

They have had enough of US meddling in what they see as their waters, this was their warning not to continue intruding on what they (china) views as their waters.

Again, it's not their waters but international waters.

a reply to: Wardaddy454

China does not own international waters. Can Japan, Taiwan, et al stand up to China? I doubt it. So who do they ask for help?

Japan and Taiwan (among others ) are US forward bases. About people there wanting US 'help', look up protests in Japan about US expansion on Okinawa.

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a reply to: flyandi

If's and butts

Its all fearmongering.

Get on with your lifes and do what you can to be productive.

If it happens then you can say "I told You so".
But I fear that will be to late.

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978
With Russia intervening in the mess in the M.E and China flexing their muscles, yes this really could be it.

How prepared are the West for any conflict against either of these nations? I would suggest we could probably front up Russia, but China are the real unknown.

A civilised World would learn from history, but it appears those at the top are blinkered. Is this because WWII is just a mere memory for those that lived in those times? Or could it be because we have the same dark forces behind it all?

Russia is more dangerous as you might think.

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I think Russia and or China have the capability to do a big EMP attack on the US blackening the whole country in one surprise attack if needed.

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978

originally posted by: angryhulk
It's almost as if both sides want it to happen, IMO.

It certainly seems that way, that's why I mentioned the same dark forces at play. How many people are around today that actually participated in WWII?

Not many and so the cycle begins.

True. Not only is history so comprehensive and out of reach of most people, it's also distorted because of imperfect memory or recording. As a result, it's difficult--probably impossible--to retain the lessons over generations.

But is what's going on today paralleling what has happened in the past? Note there're many wars in history, not just WWII and WWI. Many things can ignite war. Tensions don't automatically mean war. This point I am much less confident of. I cannot agree yet war is imminent. I think for the past 10 or 20 years people have said "WW3 is here!" GWB said we were in the midst of WW3, so that means this thread is about WW4?

originally posted by: Wardaddy454
China does not own international waters. Can Japan, Taiwan, et al stand up to China? I doubt it. So who do they ask for help?

It's really not as simple as you're tying to make with your hate the west goggles on.

Funny...

Philippines, Malaysia, Taiwan, Vietnam, and Japan all have spots designated as 'theirs' in the Spratly Islands chain. They have all attempted to claim EEZ's around them.

Yet, that never seems to get mentioned. I wonder why?

The only time the 'good guys' squawk is when the 'bad guy' doing something. Not a peep when it is their personal play pals doing it.

It is precisely as simple as Intrptr is stating it.

originally posted by: flyandi


Well, we still have international laws giving NO country the right to take over and declare a part of the world their own that was agreed to be shared.

so China is building artificial islands around Mischief Reef in the 'SOUTH CHINA SEA' and the US is against it?
the US just wants a piece of the strategic pie... as in with every military move we make, their is a hidden agenda. the US is not looking for the best interest of the neighboring countries, rather its spinning a web to make it look like so to the unsuspecting patriots.

the US is not a good representative when it comes to moral issues dealing with military island installations on foreign land thats not theirs. how many small islands the US Put military installations on that may or may not have been completely accepted by international countries?

this is just a fair warning below.

“If the US encroaches on China’s core interests, the Chinese military will stand up and use force to stop it,” the paper warned.

if China doesnt pout when we make our military moves around the globe, why should we when China makes its moves in THE CHINA SEA?