Planned Parenthood stops taking money for fetal tissue donations

I hope this isn't an attempt to silence critics.

"Oh, you're not going to accept payment? Okay, you can keep killing babies in that case."

originally posted by: introvertOn a side note: I find it humorous that they claim abortion is bad because it is immoral and such, yet they are willing to lie to push their agenda. Isn't lying immoral and unethical? Did god say that one sin was worse than any other? Aren't these liars as bad as these "baby killers"?

When your view on abortion is that it is mass murder of societies most vulnerable citizens, a few white lies in order to stop the slaughter by any means necessary seems justified.

a reply to: Aazadan

So, you're of the camp that "the ends justify the means"? That's the mentality that has people killing doctors and bombing clinics!

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Aazadan

So, you're of the camp that "the ends justify the means"? That's the mentality that has people killing doctors and bombing clinics!

If that's what you got out of my post I either did a very poor job at conveying my thoughts, or you did a very poor job at comprehending them.

So, in the event that it was on my side of things. I'll start off by saying I have no interest in discussing a stance on abortion, it's a topic where no one is interested in any compromise, and the emotions have run too high for too long for there to be any meaningful discussion. That said, what I was getting at was that if the government was allowing what you consider to be mass murder of a certain group of citizens that you wanted to defend, would you not speak up and perhaps try to stop it by any means possible? Quite honestly, I am absolutely shocked that the anti abortion crowd remains largely as peaceful as they do (minus a few of them).

a reply to: Aazadan

That said, what I was getting at was that if the government was allowing what you consider to be mass murder of a certain group of citizens that you wanted to defend, would you not speak up and perhaps try to stop it by any means possible?

First of all, I got what you were, and still are saying, that, at least for some, the ends justify the means.

Secondly, the US government does "mass murder", not always its own citizens, but also other countries citizens. And, a citizen is a person that's been born. The unborn are not citizens of any country.

And no, I don't think it's justified, by any means possible, to stop people from exercising rights that I disagree with. Like for example, people that teach their children that they are born wretched wicked sinners......I'd like to go in and take their children away from them, but they're constitutionally protected and allowed to abuse their own children without interference from the likes of me.

originally posted by: windword
But, you're assuming, based on nothing, that Planned Parenthood accountants, cpas and auditors are all in cahoots, and are diverting dollars that they receive in medicare reimbursements, like any other medical business does, to illegally cover the cost of abortions.

*sigh* No, that's what you're reading from what I'm saying. I'm not going to re-clarify my comment for about the 5th time in this thread. If you don't understand what I'm saying, just say, "Your point isn't clear to me," and let's leave it at that, please. There has been way too much of my life already wasted on this thread.

Bluntone22 was able to get my very non-complicated point. Whether you, or Sremmos80, or anyone else on here agrees or disagrees with it is irrelevant, especially since this horse we've been beating has long since passed.

originally posted by: windword
Then you, of all people, should know that Planned Parenthood has not broken any laws.

I forgot to address this, so I'll just quote myself from a post that occurred before you posted this response to me:

originally posted by: SlapMonkey
They shuffle the money, but the end result is still the same--the money goes to PP, and is used to stay in business and keep abortion procedures happening. That's the point. The little nuances and semantics being used to support the Hyde Amendment are akin to a shell game and nothing more.

Get it?

I'm not saying that they're doing anything wrong or against the law, this is just the reality of it all.

So, yes, I assume that they're not breaking any laws, but this is why I keep saying that you're missing my point altogether.

a reply to: windword

But, they aren't using any means possible. They're using deception but the same is true of the pro choice crowd as well. No one in the debate is telling the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. When emotions run as high as they do in this debate people stop seeing things rationally and twist reality to fit their narrative, they don't even do it consciously but it happens, usually because the lie sounds palatable and supporters want to believe it's true.

In this specific example the pro life people are lying about Planned Parenthood, in another example it's the pro choice people who aren't speaking accurately.

That's a far cry from any means necessary, but I suppose I'll answer your question. At times I do believe the ends justify the means. I don't think in absolutes which means at times that statement will be true.

a reply to: Aazadan

What is the pro-choice crowd lying about?

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

I second this post. Where have the pro-choice crowd told any lies or been caught lying?

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
a reply to: Aazadan

What is the pro-choice crowd lying about?

Murder
They try to cover it up and label it differently so that the death does not make as much of an impact on the survivors.

a reply to: deadeyedick

That abortion is "murder" is a pro-life lie.

Murder is a legal term and it means the killing of another living person, which a fetus is not. Next?

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic
no that is all from me.
it is dangerous to downplay murder...

originally posted by: deadeyedick
no that is all from me.

Good. Because I was asking Aazadan.

originally posted by: deadeyedick

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
a reply to: Aazadan

What is the pro-choice crowd lying about?

Murder
They try to cover it up and label it differently so that the death does not make as much of an impact on the survivors.

This has nothing to do with the Planned Parenthood/Center for Medical Progress controversy.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: deadeyedick

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
a reply to: Aazadan

What is the pro-choice crowd lying about?

Murder
They try to cover it up and label it differently so that the death does not make as much of an impact on the survivors.

This has nothing to do with the Planned Parenthood/Center for Medical Progress controversy.

Of coarse it does.
It matters much if these killers are going around murdering human beings then calling that human a group of cells.
It has everything to do with it.

originally posted by: deadeyedick

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: deadeyedick

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
a reply to: Aazadan

What is the pro-choice crowd lying about?

Murder
They try to cover it up and label it differently so that the death does not make as much of an impact on the survivors.

This has nothing to do with the Planned Parenthood/Center for Medical Progress controversy.

Of coarse it does.
It matters much if these killers are going around murdering human beings then calling that human a group of cells.
It has everything to do with it.

No it doesn't. Abortion is already legal. Talking about abortion being wrong or immoral is a red herring. The discussion is supposed to be about either PP lying about aborted fetal tissue sales (they weren't) or CMP lying about making the videos.

a reply to: Krazysh0t
That is your opinion.

Personally I see direct links.

If they are willing to lie about one thing then they will lie about another.

The reason they stopped taking money is because they knew they were caught in another lie.

Murder and lying go hand in hand.

Why do so many try to say that the edits made the vidoes say something unintended. Just another lie. The editing did not add to or take away from the fact they were illegally receiving money for murdering kids and transferring their bodies to be part of a demonic system of even more lies.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

The underlying impetus behind this whole PP attack was by the anti-abortion, anti-choice crowd. Daleiden and his people KNEW PP wasn't doing anything wrong, or they wouldn't have altered the tapes. They thought they had PP by the balls and would get them shut down, therefore (in their small minds) stopping abortion. They thought they were going to be successful in controlling women's lives, using these BS videos.

So, now that PP has expertly handled any suspicion of the original charge of "selling baby parts", the controlling right are furious and want to keep going after PP because they do women's health.

Every PP thread turned into a anti-abortion rant fest. No one can stick to the topic, because "selling baby parts" was NEVER the real topic! Abortion was. These right-wing extremists will continue to go after PP and abortion, if it kills them!

You do an excellent job of keeping the thread on topic.

a reply to: deadeyedick

What was the lie?

No investigation had found any wrong doing so really the only person lying at this point is you.