MH17 Ukraine disaster: Dutch report blames missile

a reply to: realnewsrealfunny

Then post it. Prove that KAL007 wasn't an accident. Prove MH17 wasn't a SAM.

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" Coincidence "


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Sure

(I am only talking about why it happened).. they were both diverted purposely

a reply to: realnewsrealfunny

Wrong. It wasn't diverted over the war zone. Their flightplan was filed that way from the start, and tracking data clearly shows that they were on a path for that area from Amsterdam.

a reply to: realnewsrealfunny

KAL007 was never diverted. They're not under controller direction once they're outside radar range. They move from waypoint to waypoint and inform air traffic control when they're at different waypoints. KAL007 was showing signs of being off course before they ever left Alaskan airspace, indicative of a bad INS alignment.

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Not over INTO

a reply to: realnewsrealfunny

Over. They were above the closed airspace, as were all the other planes that were flying in that area that day.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: realnewsrealfunny

KAL007 was never diverted. They're not under controller direction once they're outside radar range. They move from waypoint to waypoint and inform air traffic control when they're at different waypoints. KAL007 was showing signs of being off course before they ever left Alaskan airspace, indicative of a bad INS alignment.

Wrong

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originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: realnewsrealfunny

Over. They were above the closed airspace, as were all the other planes that were flying in that area that day.

Sure (over into same thing)

Anyway


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you know there was an Aussie family same family that traveled on mh370 weird (it had to be that particular aircraft)

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Ever read the crash report ? You will laugh (I did) is beyond incompetent

a reply to: realnewsrealfunny

Oh yeah, that's a great source. It's also wrong. The aircraft did turn towards Russia, but it wasn't closely tracked, nor was it diverted. Radar only has a range of 250 miles before an aircraft is over the horizon. The closest radar to the Kamchatka Peninsula is over 600 miles away. They were already off course in Alaska, when they were having to relay their position through another aircraft, because they had drifted outside HF radio range and couldn't talk to controllers to relay their position.

They thought that the Korean pilots of 007 had probably accidentally programmed a 10% error into their computers before they left Anchorage and that despite the checks that were made before flight, it was perfectly possible for the same mistake being repeated three times during the three checks that a pilot goes through before take off. It was clear that this scenario was most likely if one looked at the track of the plane from Anchorage until it went down. The plane was continually 10% off in its flight path before and after it left the Alaska Air Defense Zone and that mistake was never corrected….

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a reply to: realnewsrealfunny

They were flying over the war zone because the airspace was open above 32,000 feet, and it was the shortest route for the flight. There were dozens of flights going over that same area every day.

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I hear you .. promise (well I don't but I do) tough competition

originally posted by: realnewsrealfunny

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: realnewsrealfunny

Over. They were above the closed airspace, as were all the other planes that were flying in that area that day.

Sure (over into same thing)

The flight plan was for 33,000 feet until the waypoint PEKIT then climb to 35,000 feet. It was the crew of MH17 themselves that requested to maintain flight level 33,000 feet.

You do realize that the Russian have signed off of the preliminary MH17 report? The Russians reviewed the report before publication. The Russians agree on the flight path. MH17 was not diverted by the Ukrainians.

The draft preliminary report has been sent to the Accredited Representatives of the States that participate in the investigation, Malaysia, Ukraine, the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom, the Unites States of America and Austrailia for review. All Accredited Representatives have sent a reaction. The Dutch Safety Board assessed the provided suggestion and amended the report where appropriate.

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According to the preliminary report by the Dutch Safety Board, the filed flight plan called for MH17 to fly at flight level 330 (FL330) above Ukraine until the waypoint PEKIT, then climb to flight level 350.

At 12.53 hrs MH17 was asked if it could climb to flight level 350 in accordance with the filed flight plan, but they replied that they were unable to comply and requested to maintain at flight level 330. This change of plan was agreed, and other aircraft in the area were told to climb to flight level 350 to avoid a potential separation conflict with MH17.

The crew of MH17 asked to divert the flight path by 20 nautical miles due to bad weather they could see on their route. MH17 then asked if flight level 340 was available. They were told that it was not available due to the other civilian aircraft being assigned heights in order to deconflict with MH17. That is why MH17 continued on its altitude of 33,000 feet.

You do realize that the Russians agreed with the flight plan? The Russians also knew of the flight plan and for all the other airliners that were transiting the Ukrainian/Russian border.

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This conversation is non stop in my head I just want to say why I acted out.. All the information that people are using is prechewed to be swallowed and as soon as there is a middle person to write the truth all information is prone to human bias.. My first post here no how contradicts anynothing said here.. The plane was stolen and this is all a plane cyber show but people wouldn't believe you if all the evidence in the world was presented to them .. Not possible ? Everything is possible

a reply to: Zaphod58

Sorry I missed that my post above was to say that the probability is almost zero and that when I said I hear you it means that what you say is right

it was more an apology

a reply to: realnewsrealfunny

I typed my reply above, but then read what you posted again after, and saw that I had read it wrong which is why I removed it. It was actually a fun debate for the most part, largely because it did stay civil. So thanks for that.

Just watched the BBC Conspiracy MH17 Documentary. 100% Russian attempt to cover the Missile launch from the rebel Area near to Red October. Conspiracies created to muddy the waters , create confusion and to blame others. Well worth a watch if you are able to view I will put an BBC iplayer link below.. Hopefully someone more Techy than I can add to you tube as it is very well presented and you can see the flaws in the Russian pushed shameful deceit.

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Conspiracy theories swirl around many accidents, terror attacks or disasters. It's not surprising, then, that a host of different claims surround the crash of Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17. There are theories about fighter jets and different types of missiles. So what really happened? The story starts on the bleak steppes of eastern Ukraine. A bitter cold wind blew as I walked up to a simple memorial commemorating the tragic death of 298 people in the worst air disaster for two decades. Around the memorial lay a collection of teddies and soft toys - a cruel reminder that 80 children lost their lives here. On 17 July 2014, the Boeing 777 had left Amsterdam, bound for the Malaysian capital Kuala Lumpur. But it suddenly broke up in mid-air, killing everyone on board. The air disaster came just four months after the mysterious disappearance of another Malaysian airliner. At the time, the Ukrainian government and the Russian-backed rebel militia were locked in a bitter civil war. After 15 months of deliberation the official technical report by the Dutch Safety Board concluded that a single, powerful, Russian-made Buk ground-to-air missile hit the plane. It's widely assumed that Russian soldiers or pro-Russian rebels fired it, mistakenly thinking they were targeting a Ukrainian Air Force jet.

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Shame this is nothing but a propaganda piece. The German Opposition already found it was downed by an S-125 missile in an independent report, operated only by the Ukrainian Air Force.