Protesters gather to hold anti-Islam rally outside Phoenix mosque

originally posted by: kaylaluv
I just wonder what the reaction would be if a group of American Muslims decided to peacefully protest outside of a Christian church, carrying guns for "protection". Hmmm....

That's simple . The people who have issues would this would think it's great. People who think this is great probably not so much. We debate, same points only everyone would have the reverse opinion.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Okay, then just have them sign a bill of sale on a napkin or something.

*shrug*

That's pretty much all you have to do here in Alaska, if even that. People trade guns around all the time here.

a reply to: Vasa Croe

Yeah, you keep repeating the same things.

Okay, you think that something is wrong with my rationality. Given.

I think something is wrong with your honesty and analytic ability.

The two protests are connected. OP can speak for themselves.

The issue is a protest of other American's religion outside their place of worship to which guns were documented photographically at the first protests (May) organized by the same group.

You don't know if there were guns at the October one in Arizona or not, but you're fine with it if they were.

Because: Muslims.

NO story was "skewed" ... you're desperately trying to discredit these two facts:

1. Americans were protesting outside other American's religious services. (May and October)

2. Americans brought guns to the protest (Documented photographically in May, possible in October.)

Were there guns outside the May protest? You've acknowledged that.

Do you feel that guns at such a protest, whether May or October, were justified? You've acknowledged that.

Yet, you still want to try to discredit the OP for saying something that you've acknowledged multiple times.

Let's look at the facts:

Militiamen Plan to Bring Guns to Mosques Around Nation in 'Global' Protest of Islam - SPLC October 9, 2015

Armed rallies in 20 cities being organized in social media, fueled with rants posted by Arizona 'Patriot'

The perfect storm of Islamophobia cresting around the nation could reach a new watermark of ugliness this weekend, as armed protesters are planning to gather outside at least 20 mosques in various locations around the United States.

Calling the protests part of a “Global Rally for Humanity,” the self-described “Patriots” plan to bring weapons to protest outside Muslim worship centers on Saturday.

ChristianToday - October 6, 2015 -US Mosques step up security as anti-Islam protesters encouraged to bring guns

Mosques across the US have been urged to step up security in response to a number of planned protests by an anti-Islam group this weekend.

Demonstrators are said to be planning to protest outside at least 21 mosques, community centres and government offices on October 9 and 10, under the umbrella group 'Global Rally for Humanity'.

The group's Facebook page says "Humanity is attacked daily by radical Islam", and has encouraged "patriots" to organise protests in their local area. Some have called on fellow protestors to carry guns. The organiser of a protest in Phoenix, Arizona, urged attendees: "be vigilant to exercise ALL of your Constitutional rights!! It's way past time to stand up to the anti-human tyranny of Islam".

Notice the connection? The same group from the "May protests" (with photographic evidence) was urging protesters at the October protests to bring their guns.

So ... not so misleading at all it would seem. OP I mean.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
Okay, then just have them sign a bill of sale on a napkin or something.

*shrug*

That's pretty much all you have to do here in Alaska, if even that. People trade guns around all the time here.

I have to jump through flaming hoops for mine but I understand why you have it easier, you need to protect yourself from polar bears and Russians.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
I just wonder what the reaction would be if a group of American Muslims decided to peacefully protest outside of a Christian church, carrying guns for "protection". Hmmm....

Probably the same as now. You can't pick and choose when it comes to freedom. Either accept it or deny it for everyone.

I have to say, I would be just as upset if armed American Muslims showed up nationwide around Americans Christian churches.

Moreso ... because I'm fairly certain there would certainly be a massacre ... of Americans.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

LOL, more so polar bears..the Russians keep to themselves here. Well, the ones living here do. They have their own little fishing villages and whatnot.

A polar bear wills stalk you for miles silently, and you won't even know what hit you with it kills you with one paw swipe. They're terrifying...

a reply to: Gryphon66

You're noting a caption under a photograph. Did you take that as "an argument"?

I took it as a comment.

Your charge was lack of logic ... let's see.

Comment regarded people protesting Islam, Muslims are people who practice Islam, who would be harmed by people protesting their religion?

Eureka, Muslims.

Here's your logic:

Comment regarded people protesting Islam,
Muslims are people who practice Islam,
Therefor, people protesting Islam are harming Muslims.

There's no amount of silly string holding this logic together. Bravo.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

LOL ... because you say so? Pfft.

Okay LesMis. If that's all you found to quibble about here, have at it.

Oh, by the way, just to be completely accurate you might want to include this clarification ...

"Therefore, people protesting Islam outside a mosque while carrying firearms are harming Muslims ..."

Of course, that kinda screws your quibble ... but nonetheless.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

I would say burden of proof is to show there were, but hey, I don't have an agenda here....OP obviously does citing incorrect sources.

Not that I want to argue with you ... but you do realize that OP's first source is Fox News, right?

Are you saying their report was incorrect in some way?

Yep...and no mention of guns in it.

Is there a mention of guns in the second link that the OP comment introduced?

/shrug

Would you address the real issue? Is it okay with you for folks to show up with firearms outside a religious service, or not?

You are obviously just a gunophobe....lol, your type amuses us country folk.

Plz continue your idiotic blather, it only proves how weak minded your type are.

Btw ask your masters, i meant " leaders" if it is ok to think for yourselves once in a while.

It's really an Ignorance Rally, and we got PLENTY of that here in Arizona.

a reply to: Southern Guardian

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Reallyfolks

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Reallyfolks

So your solution to this volatile situation is to have other people create more volatile situations? That can only end well...

Now the act of protesting is volatile???? I seem to remember this happening before and no one was hurt and some of the protestors even took the Muslims up on their offer to come in and pray in their mosque.

Well when you add guns to the equation, yes. Guns ALWAYS make a situation volatile. Because all it takes is for someone to let their emotions get the better of them and then people start get seriously injured or dead.

I call BS!!!

Tens of millions of americans are armed daily, there are very few shoitings that dont involve criminals.

So this attempt at...a point? Was pathetic!!

a reply to: johnwick

"Gunophobe" eh? Okay. EDIT: Looked it up, that's actually a term.

No, I'm not afraid of guns. I'm not even afraid of folks who carry them into ridiculous situations.

Did you have a point to make? Or were you just making a drive-by?

One thing ... may I say your debate skills are simply amazing, as is your stunning intellect.

(That last is irony, if you missed it.)

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Reallyfolks

I don't like armed intimidation of others, even if it is technically Constitutional.

Period. Bad idea.

It doesnt matter what you like.

In fact, you are the only person on earth who cares what you like.

originally posted by: johnwick

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Reallyfolks

I don't like armed intimidation of others, even if it is technically Constitutional.

Period. Bad idea.

It doesnt matter what you like.

In fact, you are the only person on earth who cares what you like.

And who cares what you like John? I'll tell you, it's one less than cares about what I like, LOL.

And why are you talking about me?

And do you have anything on the topic?

originally posted by: TownCryer
It's really an Ignorance Rally, and we got PLENTY of that here in Arizona.

a reply to: Southern Guardian

Blm , la Raza, kkk, national of Islam, whatever. Idiot rallies all over

a reply to: Reallyfolks

No, I would have a problem with whomever decides to carry guns at a peaceful protest. I do agree that those here who think it's fine for the non-Muslim Americans to carry guns at a peaceful protest would have an absolute cow at the thought of Muslims doing the same outside a Christian church.

originally posted by: TheBulk

originally posted by: Gryphon66


Are all American Muslims extremists? < --- Question

A great many of them are.

www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org...

According to the just-released survey of Muslims, a majority (51%) agreed that “Muslims in America should have the choice of being governed according to shariah.” When that question was put to the broader U.S. population, the overwhelming majority held that shariah should not displace the U.S. Constitution (86% to 2%).

More than half (51%) of U.S. Muslims polled also believe either that they should have the choice of American or shariah courts, or that they should have their own tribunals to apply shariah. Only 39% of those polled said that Muslims in the U.S. should be subject to American courts.

These notions were powerfully rejected by the broader population according to the Center’s earlier national survey. It found by a margin of 92%-2% that Muslims should be subject to the same courts as other citizens, rather than have their own courts and tribunals here in the U.S.

Even more troubling, is the fact that nearly a quarter of the Muslims polled believed that, “It is legitimate to use violence to punish those who give offense to Islam by, for example, portraying the prophet Mohammed.”

Nearly one-fifth of Muslim respondents said that the use of violence in the United States is justified in order to make shariah the law of the land in this country.

It amazes me how much people on the left bitch and moan about Christians, but the slightest critique of Islam sends them in to defensive mode. What's the deal with that?

Especially seeing how the left is suppossed to be pro womens rights, yet under islam, and sharia law, women are at best property......how do they keep their hypocritical rhetoric from drowning themselves in crap?

They seem so ignorant, im shocked most have accidentally drowned in a bowl of soup by now.

originally posted by: Reallyfolks

originally posted by: TownCryer
It's really an Ignorance Rally, and we got PLENTY of that here in Arizona.

a reply to: Southern Guardian

Blm , la Raza, kkk, national of Islam, whatever. Idiot rallies all over

Do you include the "Global Rally for Humanity" in your list?