SEE? TOLJA they wanted women in a war draft.

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: cavtrooper7

So? I think they should be in the draft.

Well I dont think there ever should be a draft for anyone, male, female or Cis whatever as its morally wrong and goes against the idea of freedom.
If a war is "right" then there should be plenty if volunteers.

Unless a country is ever directly attacked it should be a no no.

That's the only reason that I think a draft should be instituted, and if one is instituted then women should be eligible to be drafted.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: cavtrooper7

So? I think they should be in the draft.

Well I dont think there ever should be a draft for anyone, male, female or Cis whatever as its morally wrong and goes against the idea of freedom.
If a war is "right" then there should be plenty if volunteers.

Unless a country is ever directly attacked it should be a no no.

That's the only reason that I think a draft should be instituted, and if one is instituted then women should be eligible to be drafted.

That I agree with.

In that case the # really will have hit the fan. And women if not suited for direct combat dont even have to pull front line duty. In WW2 us brits found many military uses for women, my grandmother was a RAF captain who monitored the air units during the battle of briton from base. Was a risky job as it was a prime target for the german bombs.

a reply to: crazyewok

Women end up in combat situations now. Warfare has evolved to the point that it doesn't look like the wars our grandparents fought anymore. There are plenty of combat roles that women can partake in and be effective. Artillery for one. They were doing convoy security patrols while I was deployed in Iraq.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: crazyewok

Women end up in combat situations now. Warfare has evolved to the point that it doesn't look like the wars our grandparents fought anymore. There are plenty of combat roles that women can partake in and be effective. Artillery for one. They were doing convoy security patrols while I was deployed in Iraq.

Well thats fair enough too.

Long as they are physically able and wont pull down standards.

a reply to: crazyewok

To be honest, I think the stigma against letting women be in the military is a sexist stereotype and a holdover from us not giving them a chance. We come up with excuses like "well how can I count a woman who can't manage the same PT standards as a man to carry an injured soldier out of a hotzone?" Well what about the times that women have been known to lift cars up to help their trapped children and other things like this? The point is that adrenaline and a very strong will CAN overcome normal physical limitations.

I fully support women registering for selective service. Equal rights is equal rights for all.

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: Krazysh0ta reply to: cavtrooper7
So? I think they should be in the draft.

Well I dont think there ever should be a draft for anyone, male, female or Cis whatever as its morally wrong and goes against the idea of freedom.
If a war is "right" then there should be plenty if volunteers.
Unless a country is ever directly attacked it should be a no no.

What we have is the "Selective Service". Young men when they are within 30 days of turning 18, register with the government. The draft was discontinued I think by President Nixon.

I think it would be a huge mistake to allow a draft to be reestablished. I know I would fight to my dying breath to stop it from being implemented.

I am not going to support a conscription that allows our sons or our daughters to be used as fodder for their games of mass annihilation and world dominance.

And that is what the real story is here. Do not be deceived, and do not allow yourselves to be sucked up in the discussion of men vs woman on the battlefield.

We cannot allow them a draft. Maybe then we won't have worry about a battlefield. If people feel strongly enough, they will volunteer, as it should be.

Long ago the Israelis learned not to have mixed crews in tanks, somehow the lady crew member got injured, the tank stopped, all male crew member gathered round to aid and comfort the lady, one combat ready tank immobilised, a guy would have been left for the following medics.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Unless a country is ever directly attacked it should be a no no.

Attacked by whom?

There are many ways a country can be attacked, and I don't see our government as being noble or honest enough not to arrange for an attack to happen, if it suits their agenda.

If anyone feels strongly enough that a war is honest and necessary, they should have the right to volunteer; men and women equally.

I will not support the re-establishment of the draft under any circumstances.

Now that is just me.

a reply to: pikestaff

This is a complete fabrication. Not only was this NOT long ago, they are still doing it.

Israeli women soldiers to serve in co-ed tanks

That article will be 1 year old tomorrow.

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Unless a country is ever directly attacked it should be a no no.

Attacked by whom?

Who knows? The answer to that is irrelevant. If our mainland is attacked by a country, we need to defend it.

There are many ways a country can be attacked, and I don't see our government as being noble or honest enough not to arrange for an attack to happen, if it suits their agenda.

I'm talking about a direct, sustained military threat from a foreign country. Not an independent terrorist attack. As for your narrative about false flags, I think that is a ridiculous premise. If you want to be paranoid enough to believe that they happen with any frequency, that's on you. I know that they are actually exceedingly rare to the point that you won't know you were duped until WELL after it is all said and done.

If anyone feels strongly enough that a war is honest and necessary, they should have the right to volunteer; men and women equally.

I will not support the re-establishment of the draft under any circumstances.

Now that is just me.

Ok.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: crazyewok

To be honest, I think the stigma against letting women be in the military is a sexist stereotype and a holdover from us not giving them a chance. We come up with excuses like "well how can I count a woman who can't manage the same PT standards as a man to carry an injured soldier out of a hotzone?" Well what about the times that women have been known to lift cars up to help their trapped children and other things like this? The point is that adrenaline and a very strong will CAN overcome normal physical limitations.

I agree with your first statement. I have heard no rational argument against capable women in combat roles. Just sentimental, mostly childish and often hypocritical nonsense. I do, however, disagree on PT standards. PT standards for females were embarrassingly low when I was in, and I considered them to be an insult. Direct combat roles do require higher physical fitness levels, and thus, either we raise female PT standards across the board, or we require females wanting entry to combat roles perform to the same physical standards as the males. Fair is fair, and it is realistic, after all. I knew a few females would would have had zero trouble managing those standards back when I was in, as they were extremely physically fit.

a reply to: Skadi_the_Evil_Elf

Yea I agree, the PT standards for women in the army appear to be VERY sexist and based on flawed physical fitness standards for women. I think the 2 mile run was like 18 minutes for an able bodied 21 year old woman. That's like a brisk walk. I've met many women able to complete a two mile run in MUCH less time.

Though it is just as likely that the PT standards for men are flawed as well. I KNOW that the weight standards in the army are just all sorts of caddywhompus.

a reply to: boohoo

AND THAT is the failure of the whole idea.
WHAT would feminism say about THAT victory?
Which of YOU would part with a female family memeber of fighting age?

a reply to: F4guy

Sure I will ,NOT ANY kind of problem,YOU think THE RING is a place for warriors?
THOSE ARE entertainers, ATHLETES ,performers I 'll kill at 300 yards,with MY expertise, or infiltrate and use demo.
WE play for keeps. EVERYONE must carry MORE than their share, ALL the time ,in a world where 9 to 5 lives break in minutes under fire.TRY DAYS.
FAIL in logic there buddy, a DIFFERENT world.

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: boohoo

AND THAT is the failure of the whole idea.
WHAT would feminism say about THAT victory?
Which of YOU would part with a female family memeber of fighting age?

The fact that you refer to female family members as something to be "parted with" suggests your mentality is still way back in the stone ages. Female family members are now officially free people no one owns. As equal citizens, they should share the same social obligations males are required to. Like, selective service.

This is the 21st century. Welcome. I know very few people that would have a problem with females getting drafted. Attitudes have changed.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

I'm talking about a direct, sustained military threat from a foreign country. Not an independent terrorist attack. As for your narrative about false flags, I think that is a ridiculous premise. If you want to be paranoid enough to believe that they happen with any frequency, that's on you. I know that they are actually exceedingly rare to the point that you won't know you were duped until WELL after it is all said and done.

I think we are more in agreement than not.

Historically, Americans have been extremely patriotic. Anytime America has ever been under attack, the American people have been unquestionably supportive of their government. Men flooded into the centers to support and defend their country. The woman grew war gardens, took over necessary jobs, and positions, that were left vacant, when the majority of the men were away in combat. If such an occurrence were to happen again, there will be no shortage of volunteers, so a draft is not necessary.

I have never fought on a battlefield, but I have served in the military. I don't want a member on my team that does not want to be there. I sure as hell don't want to be in a foxhole with a person that does not want to be there.

A draft does not benefit anyone, and there are many a war horror story of what happens when it is felt a person is a danger to their unit.

Now as for false flags and 911, or even Pearl Harbor, it doesn't matter if they occurred or didn't occur. What does matter is; "do the people trust their government?" That is what is going to make the difference in how the people respond in support to an attack on America.

I may be wrong, but most Americans have fought wars from a distant. Few have had to witness the bombs dropping in front of their faces, or have had to rummage through piles of rumble and pieces of their loved ones, hoping against hope, that at least one of them were still alive.

I don't know how long they will want to support a war that is raging on their door step, and I don't think a draft is going to be very convincing. In fact it could have the absolute opposite affect.

I don't have a crystal ball and I am not in the know. I do know people fairly well. But who knows, I have been wrong about folk before.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: crazyewok

To be honest, I think the stigma against letting women be in the military is a sexist stereotype and a holdover from us not giving them a chance. We come up with excuses like "well how can I count a woman who can't manage the same PT standards as a man to carry an injured soldier out of a hotzone?" Well what about the times that women have been known to lift cars up to help their trapped children and other things like this? The point is that adrenaline and a very strong will CAN overcome normal physical limitations.

That's ass backwards thinking. You're essentially saying "sure, she can't pass physical standards but hey, she MIGHT be able to lift up a car if the crap hits the fan so let's let her in and hope for the best." No thanks, I'd rather have the two women who can pass the PFT than the 20 women who can't but MIGHT be able to do something later.

Sincerely,

The guy who's 83 year old grandmother lifted a 60ish (the story goes) lbs rock to crush a snake when it slithered in the yard he was playing in.

a reply to: Shamrock6

The guy who's 83 year old grandmother lifted a 60ish (the story goes) lbs rock to crush a snake when it slithered in the yard he was playing in.

She must have been a country gal.

My 84 year old mother just came in from mowing 2 1/2 acres of our 5/1/2 acre lawn. She assisted me in putting up 8 feet of fencing, and a 5 1/2 feet gate, just last week. She throws around a 50 bag of feed like it is bag of potato chips.Those old country gals are strong and tough.

Unfortunately our young ones today have been pampered and most of them are not ready for this. Sure we have some amazing athletic young women, but they are the exception not the rule.

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

California beach bunny who smoked unfiltered cigarettes most of her adult life.

She was just not to be trifled with, whether you had two legs, four legs, or none lol