School district bans Halloween to accommodate ‘cultural beliefs’

a reply to: theantediluvian

No, not really. It's an attack on people deciding that because some people feel bad, we must not have a special day.

I would actually call it an attack on the overall culture. Halloween in its base form for kids is just costumes and candy.

a reply to: ketsuko

I don't have to "look it up" ... I've been witnessing it all around me for years. I'm very aware of what "trunk or treat" is, I'm familiar with what the churches say about it, I'm familiar with why they do it.

Stop assuming that the whole world is like you and your church; take a wider view of thigns once in a while.

You're conveniently utterly ignoring the myriad of links I provided above which DEMONstrate exactly what I'm talking about.

But, as I predicted you're more interested in arguing with me than looking at the facts.

a reply to: grandmakdw

So ... you were wrong about it being a Christian Holiday then?

That's okay. We all make mistakes.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Not from the South are you.

Check out the links I provided above.

Or ... is Pat Robertson not Christian?

Followup: Any reason you're disagreeing with me out of hand? I did post links proving my point, and its easy to find thousands more ... just type in "Christians against Halloween."

Gosh, I feel like you guys don't love your loyal Opposition anymore ... *sniff*

Yeah actually I am , born and raised

I realize you can find certain groups that dont do halloween

But the simple fact of the matter is the majority do take part in Halloween

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: grandmakdw

So ... you were wrong about it being a Christian Holiday then?

That's okay. We all make mistakes.

Nope, you didn't read the quote very well.
Nor my response to another person who said it wasn't
according to the quote. Please re-read.

Halloween comes from a combination
of Christian and Pagan religions,
and thus has strong religious roots.

Paganism is a religion!

a reply to: Gryphon66

I only see links about how some Christians hate Halloween. Nothing about how trunk or treat is specifically anti-Halloween.

If it was, I would submit they wouldn't even be trying to half celebrate it. They'd all be at home with their window shades pulled down praying hard.

At least my links talked about those Christians who are concerned with some of the themes associated with Halloween and I did address that. So who's the one only interested in being contrarian? Did you even read?

PS, I don't have a "church" of my own.

They stopped doing a "Halloween" carnival at my grade school about 20 years ago due to militant Christian mothers claiming it was a "devil's holiday".

And yes, that is what they said and used to pressure the school into giving up the weekend Halloween carnival. My mother recently retired from there actually.

So the Christians claim there is a "war on Christmas" -- but how about Halloween? Sure seems like there's a war on Halloween to me...

a reply to: ketsuko

Totally agree. Fall Festival is just Halloween in a really crappy costume.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: Gryphon66

"Most" Christians are not against Halloween. "Some" Christians are.
It's all about costumes and candy.

Any sources? Have you taken polls?

About as many as you have, oh wait you googled...lolololol...
I know many Christians that participate in trick or treat to...
I see the costume stores that pop up all over this time of year...
I see the candy isle at Walmart filled with trick or treat candy...
I see every other house decorated with ghosts and goblins......
Seeing is believing..

This is the best example of ... what ... the severe split in the Republican/Conservative/Religious Right mindset that I've seen.

There are hundreds of Christian pastors who rail about Halloween every year. I've even posted links for it.

Yet, in order to be able to complain about the horrible "PC police" some of you are ignoring that trying to claim that it's liberals and leftists that are doing this.

It''d be hilarious if it weren't so sad.

Cognitive dissonance on rank display.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Stop assuming that the whole world is like you and your church; take a wider view of thigns once in a while.

Umm didnt you just do that by assuming that a small minority of the christians who dont celebrate Halloween were the ones to blame?

You took a minority and tried to turn it into "Christians Dont like Halloween"

Hypocrisy much

originally posted by: Bluntone22

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: Gryphon66

"Most" Christians are not against Halloween. "Some" Christians are.
It's all about costumes and candy.

Any sources? Have you taken polls?

About as many as you have, oh wait you googled...lolololol...
I know many Christians that participate in trick or treat to...
I see the costume stores that pop up all over this time of year...
I see the candy isle at Walmart filled with trick or treat candy...
I see every other house decorated with ghosts and goblins......
Seeing is believing..

... and I see church after church sign condemning Halloween, have heard sermon after sermon, have heard national Christian leaders like Pat Robertson whining about demons ... so, no, I didn't have to "Google" anything ... I did that for the benefit of the folks who have their heads so far up their own belief that they can't accept facts.

this is such a fast moving thread i can not keep up with reading all the posts but would like to contribute this nevertheless

i somehow agree with ManBehindTheMask that to abondon Halloween to accommodate other cultural beliefs is to go backwards - not just or America.

i’m just taking the general muslim belief into consideration here for obvious reasons. muslims also celebrate a festival for “All Souls Day", they call it “Shab-e-Barat”. they remember their dead by visiting graves and lighting candles and lights just as westerners do. they also bake cookies and give them away similar to the “Soul Cakes” we know.

but then they practise to go into solitude and pray for the rest of the evening. They used to have fireworks but fireworks have been banned in many parts as wasteful and dangerous, and are not considered part of this religious festival.

it seems to me they can not comprehend our way of having fun and indulge in spook yet still be reverent to the dead and as long as we teach our children to understand the full meaning. to give up our abilities would truly be a backward step.

but that is not to say that we could not yet improve on our habits to celebrate

a reply to: Gryphon66

It can't be cognitive dissonance when we have said some do, but the OP did not highlight one specific group, but mentioned "groups" leading to the conclusion that more than one parent felt their child was excluded for various reasons.

And as soon as people read the headline, this become .... Christians DID IT!

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
a reply to: Gryphon66

Stop assuming that the whole world is like you and your church; take a wider view of thigns once in a while.

Umm didnt you just do that by assuming that a small minority of the christians who dont celebrate Halloween were the ones to blame?

You took a minority and tried to turn it into "Christians Dont like Halloween"

Hypocrisy much

Why not let Ketsuko fight her own battles.

Did you have any responses to what I asked?

How do you know it's a "small minority"?

Or are you calling me a liar based on what I reported about churches in Georgia, Alabama, Florida, etc.

originally posted by: roadgravel
Come to America, don't become America, make America into the place you left, because, it wasn't good enough.

What *is* "America" though if not a mix of everyone together?

Is a white Christian male "American"? How do you define what an American is? Do all Americans have the same religious beliefs, look the same, or eat the same foods?

Even the pilgrims that came over carried their beliefs and traditions of England with them.

Screw 'em. If I lived there, I'd be in costume just to piss them off.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Gryphon66

It can't be cognitive dissonance when we have said some do, but the OP did not highlight one specific group, but mentioned "groups" leading to the conclusion that more than one parent felt their child was excluded for various reasons.

And as soon as people read the headline, this become .... Christians DID IT!

Nope, I'm the one who said that, because it probably was.

I stated in my first post, if you had bothered to read before you started to type telling me how wrong I am, that in the article I LINKED (OP didn't link an article) from a local newspaper in the area, there was no distinction about who or what group did it.

But, it's fine for you to jump to the conclusion that the liberal "PC Police" did it, right?

Come on ...

a reply to: Gryphon66

And time and time again the Freedom from Religion foundation has sued school after school in an attempt to force religion, a particular religion at that, out of schools. Time and time again I've read quotes, opinion pieces, bill boards, and other things all condemning religion being in the school system.

So now there's something wrong when another group, Christians, come out about not supporting Halloween?

a reply to: lucia2389

Interesting.

What evidence do you have that the dissenters were Muslim?