I Have MRSA Right Now.

originally posted by: MyHappyDogShiner
I was working doing fiber optic cable buries and cable installs in houses and businesses down in Indiana until about 2 weeks ago. I worked with a relative who is trying to keep his business afloat. There is good reason he is failing as he is a serious narcissist who, as narcissists will never admit because they see themselves as perfect, cannot understand why no one wants to work for him or do business with him. But that is a different story altogether....

I was doing a cable install in the filthiest living space I have ever seen. Roaches everywhere, dog and cat feces and urine all over floors that hadn't been cleaned in who knows how long?. Something bit me just above my right knee as I knelt to run a cable and do some fittings, adapters, splitters and so on....Didn't think much of it at the time because I was busy and had been bitten by bugs many times before in my life....

I noticed afterward that the bite was particularly painful and was beginning to swell up more than such things usually do. A few days later a sore appeared on my leg that resembled eczema. I though " damn, that stuff is permanent and hard to treat"....I have a brother who has it and really didn't want to deal with that stuff like he does....

A week or so later the sore had grown to the size of a quarter from being no more than a tiny red spot and I began to feel really sick. I figured it was the flu considering the season, I drove on with my cable bury/install mission sick or not, while this relative I work with kept running his mouth and driving me crazy day after day.

One day I was feeling particularly ill on my drive one and one half hours to the area we were working and this prick began to scream at me while I was trying to drive. I pulled over and got out and found my way the forty miles back where I was living and started packing my stuff to leave. I knew this chapter was over and if i weren't in such a weakened state I would not have let this childish person get on my nerves so much to make such a stupid decision.

The guy still owes me about a months worth of pay, Oh well....

Got to my fallback living space up here in the north where it gets too cold in the winter and a week or so later the sores were spreading all over my thigh. I got kind of scared and went to the VA hospital. The doctors there were taking turns looking at my leg (about a dozen of them) trying to figure out what this stuff was on my leg. They didn't really do anything for me other than draw a bunch of blood, take swabs for culture and send me off with a prescription for clindamycin
hcl 150 mg, 4 x a day for however long the medication holds out. The stuff makes me feel worse still....

I was going through emails and came across one from an unfamiliar name and read it. It was a doctor at the VA trying to contact me to inform me that my lesions cultured and proved to be MRSA...EEK....They sent me a prescription in the mail with an antiobiotic called moxifloxacin hcl 400 mg. I did some research into this moxifloxacin or AVELOX as it is called. I found that this particular antibiotic was the one I read about when I was researching the clindamycin prescribed earlier. I was glad clindamycin wasn't one of those antibiotics that are called "fluoroquinolones" which are particularly powerful with particularly harsh side effects in some cases.

I kept researching this stuff and decided I wasn't going to take this stuff at all....

I guess this turned out to be not so much a post about MRSA as it is about antibiotics. MRSA is a result of overuse and abuse of antibiotics. I try to tell people around me this but they still insist it has something to do with cleanliness or something and avoid me like the plague. Babbling this and that about it being a "nosocomial" infection that is only found in nursing homes and hospitals.

Ge whiz, people who work in hospitals and nursing homes do tend to go do things outside the place where they work on occasion. There is no way to completely sterilize one's hands and clothes after exposure as people have often tried to tell me, other than to wash the clothes in hot water and dry them on high. Hands and skin?, good luck.

The stuff is no longer only found in medical care facilities. The stuff is actually in the food chain. MRSA is more from the abuse of antibiotics in beef and pork operations than from medical facilities. It was only a matter of time.

I have rather substantial medical training by the way. My favorite subjects in college was bacteriology/microbiology. I trained to be a scrub tech or what is called a surgical technician. The one who defends the sterile field and instruments from contamination, a task that is absolutely not possible and a job where the surgical technician is the one scrutinized when that impossible thing is not achieved.



Anyfrickinway....

Not a doctor but would listen to what the VA doctor said; even if temporarily; get a different type of antibiotic if you are not reacting well to the one they prescribe.

A natural item you might want to also consider is tea tree oil for treatment of MRSA. Check this article out here:

microbewiki.kenyon.edu...

a reply to: misskat1

Ha-ha, No I live in Denton County, Texas. The job was in Addison. If they had any money I should have cleaned them out. They moved me into an office that had been used by a guy a week before me who had cronic staph infections, and they didn't bother to clean the phone or anything for that matter. Never mind even mentioning it to your employee who get a staph infection in the place where the phone contacts his skin. Then fire him on the phone to his wife while he was at the hospital having an abscess the size of a baseball on his ass lanced, for calling in sick to often. Yes I presented a picture of my ass at the unemployment hearing that they actually tried to fight. Ended in a charge back to them.

EDIT TO ADD!!! If the infection is in your blood and your Dr. Prescribed an antibiotic treatment as with the OP. You need the antibiotic treatment. Nothing topical will treat that severe of an infection and it can very quickly become life threatening trust me. I thought my lip and cheek were bad but it would go away, but my bones hurt and my headache, that was next level stuff.. When they told my wife to get family to visit asap I knew how bad it was. It does not play!

The thing about staph is it is everywhere something where around 5 out of 7 people will have it on them at any given time. Most are not affected by it. Once you are it is on... A battle is going down, every pimple or razor nick, ingrown hair is an entry point, and you are more likely to get an infection the more often you get them.

The Gel I mentioned before burns and then almost numbs, and almost spontaneous drainage, like it wants to come out. Just cover it after cleaning it with soap and water, apply a liberal amount directly to the spot, gently rub in it a bit if you want, put a bunch on a gauze 4x4 and cover it up. A couple of times a day depending on its size and drainage maybe more. I'm not a doctor or a vet but this has worked for me and on my pets every time I have used it.

A mixture of tea tree oil and rare spike lavender from France essential oils are known to help this. I can u2u a website that sells this already made in the proper dilution. The site also has info on the clinical studies. Let me know is you want the website. I would put a link but it is a business and I'm weary of violating any t&cs.
Hope you find relief.

a reply to: peppycat
Here is link
www.naturesgift.com...
Just type in MRSA in their search feature and it will take you to the MRSA products.

a reply to: wastedown I agree with wastedown, if it is in your bloodstream, please seek proper treatment and work with doctors on what antibiotics to take. After your through with them, replenish your body with probiotics from refrigerator section of health food store. Also look into taking olive leaf extract which is known for being antiviral and antibacterial and to boost immune system.
www.nutritional-supplement-truths.com...
Feel better and let us know how you are.
Peace and good health.

There are tons of websites citing fluoroquinolone toxicity examples. I didn't need to read too many before I decided I did not want to risk being sensitive to these compounds.

The treatment is potentially worse than the infection and potentially more long term and potentially permanent damage can be done.

I check my temperature about once an hour and eat and rest a lot. The lesions are no longer draining as they were before I was prescribed clindamycin which supposedly does not work on MRSA and the diffuse cellulitis has become less diffuse and contained much closer to the lesions. The lesions are just on the surface and do not penetrate the skin very deep at all.

I am an avid bicyclist when I have the time to ride. One of the side effects of fluoroqinolones is spontaneous rupture of tendons, sometimes long after the course of antibiotics is discontinued and often the achilles tendon. There are many more examples online of side effects and toxicity symptoms associated with these compounds.

Several incidences of sudden death have been attributed to the use of these drugs. There are less potent antibiotics which can be prescribed to me which will take care of the medication and cause less potential collateral damage to my body.

The use of powerful antibiotics to treat some infections which are not so terribly serious equates to hunting mosquitoes with a bazooka and is the cause of these types of difficult to treat superbugs.

I had an infection after surgery a few years ago. It was not MRSA but was another highly resistant strain of the same nature. I was inpatient for two days and received IV antibiotics for ten days via pic line. Three months later I did it all over again. I was lucky both times.

If a doc prescribes antibiotics for an infection, especially if it reaches the bloodstream, take them. The side effects are nothing compared to what the infection can do to you. When the infection is topical that is one thing. When it enters the bloodstream its a whole different ballgame.

You can try honey and chamomile tea when you get a cut on your finger. Use the big guns on this one.

originally posted by: InterconnecteD
Hi i am sorry to hear about your bite however i believe you are taking the wrong approach. i am a RN and work on an isolation infectious/Respirtatory floor. You have what i called celliutius a skin infection usually caused by some comprised skin intergerity. You are no wise in not taking the antibiotics, yes MRSA is caused by the over use of anitbiotics but is because just like any organisms in nature it evovles. i have given Avelox which is a newer type of anitbitoic and is not a harmful one. It may have some side effects, but any Anitbiotic that is taken orally usually does not produce harmful effects. IV antibiotics which are known to produce harmful side effects like Vanco, Genta, and a few others are mointered via blood work.

If i were you i would check into the ER and allow them to adminster IV antibitoics and have Infectious diease on the case. If you contiune to hold off your treatment you will either have to undergo surgery because the wound will become so comprised that only a surgical incision and debridement will eliminate the infectious tissue or you will become septic because the infection will travel to your blood system or both.

Trust me i only take antibiotics when i need to and as a measure of last resort. if you want to discuss the harms of anitbitocs i just came out of the hospital 6 weeks ago after a 3 week ICU stay where i had ARDS, i was intubated on a ventatilor and on ECMO therapy all while being in a coma. From what i hear i was on 6 different types of anitbiotcs which lead my kidneys to stop working and my liver fuction was also comprised. but as soon as they stop all the antibiotics beause they had ruled out a infectious etiology. my kidneys and liver resloved within 2-3 days.

Please go to the ER before your infection gets worse. I apologize abut the spelling mistakes i am typing this on my phone while i wait for my shift to start which it is right now and do not have time to fix it.

I strongly suggest you take heed at this kind persons advice.

Secondly I think you may have been bitten by a centipede in that house. They alone can give you a flesh eating bacteria infection.

a reply to: MyHappyDogShiner

Try to go ketogenic, most peoples laugh when hearing that but they forget that the prefered & primary food for all bacteria is glucose, when eating carbs, you nourish them also...

Also the endogenic ketone bodies produced by this diet have an antibiotic effect, combined with an appropriate antibiotic prescribed by a doctor, it should help greatly.

Spouse had lots of problem w/t urinary infection and frequent candida infection. Since she got keto two year ago, all those infection that normal prescribed antibiotic were never able to treat for good, are now gone. No antibiotic were involved! Hard to believe any doc will tell but this is a fact.

Far more hospitals are now using ionic or colloidal silver solutions to treat these outbreaks.
I'm a "shotgun approach" type so I hit these things with multiples; silver solution or gel, Tea Tree and Oregano Oil topically. Even taken internally, the silver will be more easily excreted by the body than the chemical concoction the pharmaceutical folks have cooked up.
If you aren't familiar with these remedies, especially the silver solutions, take a few hours to research them. I would recommend that you purchase your silver solution from a dealer to give it a test. If you find it as useful as I have, you will probably progress to making your own because it is certainly handy to have on hand.

A dear friend got MSRA when he went in for heart surgery. He went through 7 different antibiotic regimens and ended up losing his sternum and two ribs. The antibiotics wrecked his kidney and liver as well. I think you are wise to seek to help yourself heal. Make a special effort with your diet even though you are not feeling well. We tend to drift into easy foods rather than good foods so make sure to keep up your nutrition so your body can attack the problem from within while you attack it topically.

ETA: Here's a link to a paper on the use of silver dressings in fighting MRSA. It is from a few years ago but I think this paper played an important role in hospitals re-adopting the use of silver as an anti-microbial agent.
www.worldwidewounds.com...

I slipped you a prayer.
Keep fighting.

There are tons of websites citing fluoroquinolone toxicity examples. I didn't need to read too many before I decided I did not want to risk being sensitive to these compounds.

a reply to: MyHappyDogShiner

Fluoroquinolone like Cipro are splendid antibiotics, they will do the job when most other antibiotics cannot. However, has you said, there is toxicity effect. AFAIK, the problem is like nuclear radiation, the effect is cumulative. I dont think tendon issues are very important, the main problem is peripheral neuropathy.

If you are faced with an imminent danger like an accute infection w/t MRSA that is life threatening and the fluoroquinolone is confirmed working by an antibiogram, then the choice is obvious, take the fluoroquinolone. The secondary effects does not alway show-up and have a cumulative dose requirement.

However never take fluoroquinolone when the infection is not life threatening, it will attract C. difficile infection and many other problems like nothing else. It is a simple question of risk management.

yes! tea tree oil to clean it debride it, get rid of all the puss, the melted skin (because that's basically what your skin looks like around the infection. It just kind of melts ) around the infection. cleanse with tea tree oil and then put a thick coating of (manuka honey I used active + 16) and then cover it with a bandage. keep it covered. mine was on my knee. a difficult place to keep covered.I had to use duct tape and ace bandages. Debride & clean wound first thing in the morning and before you go to bed. when I had it on my knee it was moving fast. it was sore in the morning. by lunchtime I could barely walk and by 3 o'clock in the afternoon I was running a fever of 101 my whole leg was red hot to the touch and throbbing. I used tea tree oil the first night and then started using Manuka Honey the following day. leg stopped throbbing about 6 hours later. swelling went down in two days. and the infection was gone completely in probably 6 days. manuka honey makes hydrogen peroxide .they're not quite sure exactly how it kills the MRSA.but they believe one of the mechanisms is by starving the wound of water. it left a pretty deep scar on my knee. FYI the reason I didn't go to the emergency room is because no insurance and i have never been a holistic type of person. but I gotta tell you I'm kind of leaning that way now Wedderspoon active +16 manuka honey I purchased mine at The Fresh Marketreply to: Iamthatbish

a reply to: traintrain
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Text The advent of antibiotics generated confidence that effective means of treating infections were available, but the emergence of antibiotic resistance has altered our perceptions. In 1961, when methicillin resistance in Staphylococcus aureus was discovered, its future global impact was unimaginable. Now the widespread prevalence of strains with multiple antibiotic resistance determinants has made methicillin-resistant S. aureus (MRSA) a serious threat to human health. The limited development of antimicrobial agents in recent times has compounded the situation1 and increased the necessity to search for alternative remedies to complement or replace antibiotics. Natural compounds isolated from plants have historically been used as templates for successful antimicrobial therapies.2 Before the discovery of antibiotics, honey was used for thousands of years in the topical treatment of wounds. During the past decade, it has been formulated into a range of modern wound dressings and has been reintroduced into conventional medicine.

a reply to: traintrain

yes! tea tree oil to clean it debride it, get rid of all the puss, the melted skin (because that's basically what your skin looks like around the infection. It just kind of melts ) around the infection. cleanse with tea tree oil

Tea Tree Oil is like the nuclear weapon for bacteria, often much too strong for a first line intervention, often cause sensitization & allergic reaction. I would suggest using at first Neem Oil. And remember that these essential oils shall NEVER be used alone, ALWAY dilute them in a carrier base oil like coconnut oil!!!

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I have no drainage from these lesions any more after starting the clindamycin.

The lesions are not open sores, but flat against the surface of the skin and look like eczema lesions.

I feel like crap, but usually do because I have non-specific allergies that the doctors cannot seem to isolate to a specific allergen after a decade of testing.

One somewhat common reaction to fluoroquinolones is anaphylactic shock. Those reactions are not much fun and I am alone and out in the wilderness with no one to help me if I go into AP shock.

I take my temperature several times a day, but usually stay around 97.4, I spiked to 98.6 yesterday for a bit after supper.

I keep pretty close track, I don't intend to let this be the end of me.

No matter what I do, some day something is going to force me to go into the next level of existence regardless of how bad I wish to stay here in this world as I am now.

Your suggestions and concern for my well being are appreciated and will be considered.

Thank You All.

I am not going anywhere and will keep you all posted as developments occur.

a reply to: pl3bscheese

Your 2nd paragraph NAILED it!

I managed to get a prescription for a more appropriate antibiotic on the day I took my last dose of the initial prescription I was given.

I didn't die or suffer excessively as some may have loosely stated here on this forum that I might from not following " Doctors' Orders"....

Doctors are no more infallible than cops or any other specialist in any field are, and they don't deserve any more credit for what they do than anyone else does for what they do.

If Their pay does not suffice, if you don't get any more than money out of your job, maybe you should move on to something more rewarding.

When I was in college I achieved a 3.879 GPA. It probably would have been a 4.0 if I had not asked certain questions and presented certain views to my instructors and professors there.

These are are only a few of the questions I presented to these people who were supposed to present me with unbiased knowledge.

-Why is a doctor credited with so much when in the end a patient actually ends up healing themselves?.

-Why is it that internal issues or malfunctions which are not the result of traumatic injury so often addressed with traumatic injury (surgery) when there are many options that are less invasive and injurious than surgery ?.

-Why, if hospitals are such dangerous places for sick and immuno-compromised individuals, would one ever have them come to such a place for treatment?.

I had thousands of other questions for these people and got the definite sensation at times that they were beginning to get annoyed with them....But you know what?, I was overpaying these people and I was there to learn stuff from those who supposedly knew stuff, and I wasn't there to learn just what they determined I should learn.

I had a lot more to say here, but in a nutshell.....

Any for profit industry and anyone who is part of a for profit industry which discourages scrutiny and externalizes liability cannot be trusted.

Americans are too trusting.