Does the Sun Revolve Around the Earth, or does the Earth Revolve Around the Sun?

originally posted by: hutch622Occasionally the sun hits the moon , that's called a solar eclipse .

If the Sun ever hit the moon it certainly would not be called a solar eclipse, more like armageddon...

The Sun is but a flat disc. I know this because I see it Ruby Wax and John Wayne every night as I sit in my tree, eating my favourite Bananaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...bugger, I fell out again.

originally posted by: occrest

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: occrest
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Did you even look at the map hahahahaha. On the map you posted it's about a 30 hour flight from Aus to Antarctica. So to get there and back would require over 2 days and no plane could do it, it would run out of fuel and crash. Yet you personally can tomorrow get on a plane and do it in a few hours.

please link/post a pic of the map in question.

once again, i don't have all the answers. I am new to all of this. when i do have answers, i will post what i find, when i find them. As it is, it has been a real head-turner having to completely rewrite my way of thinking.

Why would you rewrite anything when flat Earth makes no sense and round Earth explains everything perfectly. You posted the map. Aus and Ant are all the way across the world on your map.

I posted no map, unless it was included in a video that i posted (none of which are mine) This is the map i thought you were talking about, which i think is a true representation of what our earth is.

Antarctica is the outer ice ring, according to this map.

So then is gravity really really strong in southern Argentina/Chile (everything is much heavier) compared to Alaska, Canada, Northern Russian, and Scandinavia? It would be if that flat map were true.

originally posted by: Arbitrageur
...I happen to be in the ~80% of the population who is convinced the earth revolves around the sun. However, I admit that if you watch the sun rise in the morning, travel across the sky, and set in the evening, it does look like it's the sun that's moving around the Earth, and even the terms "sunrise" and "sunset" infer that. The following website and others claim that's what happens...

OP --

I can make the argument that my body is the center of the universe and everything revolves around me. I could even show some weird geometry of the Earth's spin, showing how it makes an eccentric dance once per day around my present location while the sun, planets, stars, and galaxies revolve around the earth, and specifically the point at which I am standing. I'll call it "point 0,0,0"

The only problem is that someone else can claim the same thing about the point on which they are standing. A person standing on Mars could make a similar claim (although the Earth, Sun, stars etch would revolve around their own "poin0,0,0 on Mars) as could someone standing on an exoplanet light years away (although it would be their star, the other planets in their solar system, etc that would be revolving around THEIR own "point 0,0,0").

Which one of us is right?

originally posted by: occrest

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: occrest
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Did you even look at the map hahahahaha. On the map you posted it's about a 30 hour flight from Aus to Antarctica. So to get there and back would require over 2 days and no plane could do it, it would run out of fuel and crash. Yet you personally can tomorrow get on a plane and do it in a few hours.

please link/post a pic of the map in question.

once again, i don't have all the answers. I am new to all of this. when i do have answers, i will post what i find, when i find them. As it is, it has been a real head-turner having to completely rewrite my way of thinking.

Why would you rewrite anything when flat Earth makes no sense and round Earth explains everything perfectly. You posted the map. Aus and Ant are all the way across the world on your map.

I posted no map, unless it was included in a video that i posted (none of which are mine) This is the map i thought you were talking about, which i think is a true representation of what our earth is.

Antarctica is the outer ice ring, according to this map.

So presumably all airlines, pilots and passengers are involved in a grand conspiracy to maintain the illusion of a spherical Earth? Money (as in fuel economy) is the price paid by these companies to maintain the conspiracy. Likewise all pilots who have to steer the planes in curves "on the flat earth" to follow the ground path that should exist for a spherical Earth. In addition every passenger pretends the plane never curved as in turned which is impossible not to notice.

Or flat earthers are proof the Human race is dumbing down.....fast.

originally posted by: Soylent Green Is People

OP --

I can make the argument that my body is the center of the universe and everything revolves around me.

Youv'e just decribed a Freudian principle of the, 'Id' perfectly!

originally posted by: angryhulk

originally posted by: occrest

originally posted by: angryhulk

originally posted by: occrest

originally posted by: Arbitrageur

originally posted by: occrest
a reply to: WP4YT
I have flown a few times, and never saw a curve.

Even NASA, in their document "Derivation and Definition of a Linear Aircraft Model", on page 30, concludes their study 'Flying in a stationary atmosphere over a flat, non-rotating earth." Link to NASA pdf.

So am in to infer from your post that whatever assumptions NASA made for their model are true?

The first assumption is "stationary atmosphere". This means there's no wind, no tornadoes, no hurricanes. Do you think that's what they are trying to infer?

It also strikes me as odd you'd cite a NASA reference when NASA is the first one to tell you the Earth isn't flat. You can't see the curvature from a crop duster but you can see it from 40,000 feet so whether you saw the curvature depends on how high your plane went.

I think this is them doing a study on flight dynamics over a flat earth. The stationary atmosphere they speak of is without the wind shear one would get if the the earth were a globe with a spin of 1000 mph at the equator, which is what we are told.
I do not pretend to understand everything about the dynamics of a flat earth, and all that it entails. I have over 40 years of being inundated with globular thinking and indoctrination to overcome. There have been many physical experiments completed which point to a flat, geostationary earth. Airys' Failure, for one. Another is the Bedford level experiment. Here is a video for you containing 200 profs that the earth is not a spinning ball. Enjoy!

How do you explain the Lunar Eclipse? I'll give you a hint... the shadow

How do you explain Time Zones? (Day and Night). The fact that you cannot see the sun 24 hours a day? Remember if the earth was flat you would see the sun all day, it would just travel further away and act like a spot light.

The lunar eclipse? I don't really know.

I posted video describing the night/day cycle and time zones. You are under the assumption that the Sun is 400 times larger than the earth and 93m miles away. I am under the assumption that the sun is approx 32 miles in diameter and only 3000 miles above the surface of the earth. Photographs of sunbeams thru the clouds tell me the sun is close, and not far away.

Follow the light rays to where they converge above the clouds and you will see what i mean.

Edit - Just looked at your video. So are you telling me the sun goes around in circles all day above the flat earth? So we could just use a high powered telescope to follow the sun all day, everyday without it disappearing from the same spot? Oh dear, how embarrassing your theory has become.

This is a very good point . How do you suppose this would be explained with a flat earth? I honestly can't think of any way.

a reply to: Soylent Green Is People
As George Box said, all models are wrong, some are useful. I'd say neither of those models are very useful for calculating Lagrangian points, and if you could do the Lagrangian point calculations I asked for with either one of them, I'd be very impressed.

According to general relativity there is no preferred reference frame, though I often wonder what Einstein would have said about the CMB as a possible reference frame, which was discovered after his death. As the quote I cited earlier from Phil Plaitt explained we do calculations from whichever reference frame makes the calculations easiest for the task at hand, and while you can translate between reference frames including a fly sitting on the shoulder of a spinning ballet dancer, that doesn't mean it's always useful to do so. Possible? Yes. Helpful? Probably not in the case of the fly on the spinning ballet dancer's shoulder.

a reply to: occrest

Good luck with this post. So many people are committed to the lie which they can in no way verify. They can regurgitate math equations they google and act like some sort of arm chair experts but they know as much as anyone tells them. I am not saying your theory is valid however the fact that you have the balls to question accepted (indoctrinated) reality is a big plus in my book.

I was going to make a thread (still may) about a 3d model someone made of the descriptions of the earth made in the book of Enoch. What really blew my mind about the model was how much the entire system reminded me of a hard drive. Really made me think about simulation theory.

WHATTA THREAD!!1! (lel)

About the flat earth, which i find ludicrous, mainly because i really think i can see the curvature of the earth with my own eyes. At sea while boating and at air while flying. Maybe i'm looney.

Nevertheless, i'd like to query, why is it suggested:

A planet is round.
The sun is round.
Moons, round.

and the Earth is flat?

What the faux? WHAT THE FAUXXXX!!!

I really cant fathom, WHY i even wrote this garbage.

How the coriolis effect is formed then, earth being flat?

originally posted by: occrest

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: occrest
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Did you even look at the map hahahahaha. On the map you posted it's about a 30 hour flight from Aus to Antarctica. So to get there and back would require over 2 days and no plane could do it, it would run out of fuel and crash. Yet you personally can tomorrow get on a plane and do it in a few hours.

please link/post a pic of the map in question.

once again, i don't have all the answers. I am new to all of this. when i do have answers, i will post what i find, when i find them. As it is, it has been a real head-turner having to completely rewrite my way of thinking.

Why would you rewrite anything when flat Earth makes no sense and round Earth explains everything perfectly. You posted the map. Aus and Ant are all the way across the world on your map.

I posted no map, unless it was included in a video that i posted (none of which are mine) This is the map i thought you were talking about, which i think is a true representation of what our earth is.

Antarctica is the outer ice ring, according to this map.

What happens when you get to the edge?

a reply to: SilentE

What happens when you get to the edge?

You learn the truth.

originally posted by: SilentE
What happens when you get to the edge?

I think that's what we all want to know! If I had a plane, I would try to go from Australia to South America directly over Antarctica.

I've looked at both sides and I really can't tell if the earth is a globe or a flat disk.

a reply to: theMediator

I've seen the curvature of the earth first hand. It's NOT flat.

originally posted by: menneni
WHATTA THREAD!!1! (lel)

About the flat earth, which i find ludicrous, mainly because i really think i can see the curvature of the earth with my own eyes. At sea while boating and at air while flying. Maybe i'm looney.

Nevertheless, i'd like to query, why is it suggested:

A planet is round.
The sun is round.
Moons, round.

and the Earth is flat?

What the faux? WHAT THE FAUXXXX!!!

I really cant fathom, WHY i even wrote this garbage.

How the coriolis effect is formed then, earth being flat?

I've just taken my brain out so I think I can now answer that with my flat earth flat cap on:

THe sun we see is a disc facing us as well as the moon and the planets.....oh hang I seem to have 3 brain cells left and they are shouting at me : if the earth is flat what shape is the atmosphere?. If the earth and the atmosphere is clearly 3D then what on earth (sorry) is BEHIND THE FRICKING EARTH!!!! If we can fire lasers at the moon and get a reflection back and thus measure it's distance and thus determine space has 3 dimensions then presumably the universe is full of discs. Where are the edge on discs ? Where are the oval angled planetary discs. Is every object in the universe a disc that faces us on earth? How come Australia has a different view of the sky from Europe ?

Imagine the questions with 4 brain cells.........

I wouldn't be surprised if people start to believe this more and more, as there are crowds such as the Young Earthers who think the Earth is only 10,000 years old or so despite what science says. Why not add the sun orbiting the earth to the list?

originally posted by: darkbake
I wouldn't be surprised if people start to believe this more and more, as there are crowds such as the Young Earthers who think the Earth is only 10,000 years old or so despite what science says. Why not add the sun orbiting the earth to the list?

I don't have any evidence to back this up, but I've read that there tends to be a correlation between geocentric beliefs and beliefs relating to literal interpretation of the bible, so if that's true and it at least sounds plausible, there may be a correlation between beliefs in young earth creationism and an earth-centered universe.

Young Earth creationism

Although Young Earth Creationism is one of the most stridently literalist positions taken among professed creationists, there are also examples of biblical literalist adherents to both geocentrism and a flat Earth.

a reply to: menneni

Of course the earth is flat.

Death showed me.

It rides around the universe on the back of four elephants, on the back of a sea turtle.

Sheesh

I am in that 80% that believe the Earth is round. However I am by no means going to sit here and insult the intelligence of those who bring forth the flat Earth theory. There are some aspects of that theory that makes sense to me as well. Why is it that the Earth is depicted as perfects round? When in theory it isn't.

originally posted by: HawkeyeNation
There are some aspects of that theory that makes sense to me as well. Why is it that the Earth is depicted as perfects round? When in theory it isn't.

True -- the Earth is shorter than it is wide, and its widest point is not the equator, but rather a little south of the equator, making it not a perfect sphere, but something called an "oblate spheroid"...

...HOWEVER, the difference is so negligible that it cannot be seen. The difference in the width of the earth at its widest point compared to the pole-to-pole "height" of the Earth is about 44km (28 miles). That's a 28 mile difference over the Earth's 8000 mile diameter, or a difference of only 0.3%.

That tiny bulge is not something you are going to notice by looking at images of the earth or by looking at a globe, EVEN IF that image or that globe was a true representation of the shape. If you have a 1920x1080 pixel monitor, and you had a true representation of Earth on that monitor displaying as big as it could, the difference between the height and width would only be 4 pixels (if it were 1080 pixels tall, it would be about 1084 pixels wide).

Here are two circles. One is a perfect circle, and one is an approximation of the true shape of the Earth -- having a 0.3% difference in height to width, with the wide part being a bit in the lower hemisphere. Which is which?