Does the Sun Revolve Around the Earth, or does the Earth Revolve Around the Sun?

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Start the vid at 6 mins



A mirage huh, just like swamp gas and weather balloons

I think the ISS is a giant hoax too filmed in a zero g plane and with blue/green screens, it gets easier to see beyond the veil once you realize whats been fed to you since birth is a whole bunch of #.

a reply to: DenyObfuscation
Edit :since the thread has taken religious overtones Ask and ye shall receive! here is a visual aide then.

Iss flight path.


Rough paint of flight path as if it would appear on the flat earth map

originally posted by: SynchronousSnake
Now OccamsRazor04, since I gave a clear and concise evidence how time zones could not possibly refute "flat" earth/ I think You owe to all of Us in simple logical terms to how it would possibly even prove a globe model? I think You need to work on Your definitions of the follo

Except you did no such thing. It's noon in Massachusetts and midnight in the Philippines. That is explained by the Earth's rotation making half the Earth dark and half light, due to it being a globe. Explain that on a flat Earth where the entire Earth always faces the sun. That was my point. FE is impossible.

originally posted by: DenyObfuscation
a reply to: OccamsRazor04
But, flashlight!

Which means the light of Stars far away can be seen but the Sun can't be? Explain how it dips below the horizon if it's way up in the air? Explain why I cant see it with my telescope if it's simply a few thousand miles farther away.

They have no response.

a reply to: SynchronousSnake

If the Earth is actually flat, then please explain the following:

1) Geosynchronous orbits of satellites (I and many, many, many others have satellite TV).

2) The never setting sun for the North and South poles during their summers, and never rising sun during their winters (especially since according to your map, there is no south pole).

3) How it's able to be daylight in Australia while it's night time in the US (and vice versa).

4) Why all other celestial objects that I can see with my telescope are spinning spheres (I can even see Jupiter's 4 largest moons orbiting it)....but only Earth is special?

5) How we get the coriolis effect....as if the Earth were flat we would not get this very simply nature of physics.

6) Why I can see Polaris (the north star) just fine, but my friends in Australia can't....and why they can see the Southern Cross, but I can't (along with a multitude of other stars and celestial objects).

a reply to: SynchronousSnake

That path isn't circular and not even slightly logical. Have you tried doing three consecutive orbits? In the real world, the path of the ISS 'drifts' westward about 22°each orbit due to the rotation of Earth. What would cause this 'drift' in your scenario?

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

If You had been reading My posts as now is clearly evidenced You did not:I explained that, with the theory that the sun is much closer and much smaller then the fallacy of a current model you so adherent cling to and want to dissuade any real skepticism from purposes. The earht is bigger then the sun.. get your head around it.. it's all a matter of perception.. similar to how magic eye works. Both Your eyes have been fooled into believing what has been thrust into Your minds eye by authority.

You should really think about a name change, true to mine with synchronicity I'll leave you with the definition of authority with the important clues in bold as to the depth of the lie : authority :a person or organization having power or control in a particular, typically political or administrative, sphere.

originally posted by: SynchronousSnake
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

If You had been reading My posts as now is clearly evidenced You did not:I explained that, with the fallacy that the sun is much closer and much smaller then the current model you so adherent cling to and want to dissuade any real skepticism from purposes. The earht is bigger then the sun.. get your head around it.. it's all a matter of perception.. similar to how magic eye works. Both Your eyes have been fooled into believing what has been thrust into Your minds eye by authority.

I am working under that assumption. It does not explain anything. You make statements and then refuse to back them up. So please explain why half the Earth is in total darkness.

For instance, how large is the Sun, how far away at Noon? How far away at Midnight?

a reply to: TerminalVelocity

Please do some actual research as those questions have been answer by self proclaimed self flat earthers .which as I've stated I am not. I'm just a inquisitive mind, most importantly if You'd done any research at all particularity the satellite in geosynchronous orbits You'd have discovered that all that could be accomplished by high frequency microwave radio transmissions bounced of the enclosure or high allttuide weather balloons.. (such as a huge blimp of a iss( research Google loon and then ask Your self why Google doesn't just buy some geosynchronous satellites instead of easily destroyed by weather ..ahem... weather balloons

a reply to: DenyObfuscation

Like i stated it is a rough ms paint job.. if you care to precisely map it out on the map to prove I'm wrong be my guest. (in fact i encourage anyone to do so)

The drift is because of the centripetal force and slingshot velocity the the iss takes (it's doing a huge circle traveling at 17000 mph after all) to maintain speed and change the path so it can be anywhere on the disk like a record player changes tracks.(tight vs wide circles)

a reply to: OmegaSynthesis

Looking straight out the window at 35,000 feet you should see nothing but "outer-space" from the port and starboard windows, as the Earth/horizon are supposed to be BELOW you. If they are visible at eye level outside both side windows, it’s because the Earth is flat!

Can you please tell me why flatters insist on sodomizing the term "eye level" like this? This argument makes no sense. If you were 35,000 feet above a flat Earth even, why in the hell would anything on Earth appear at "eye level"?

originally posted by: OmegaSynthesis
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Start the vid at 6 mins

Really sad. The video shows proof the Earth is round, and on the backdrop of that proof the producer writes "the earth is flat". At 6:45 it shows the tops of distant buildings, which is what we expect to see if the Earth is round. The producer is critical of the sketch showing the "slant" of the distant buildings, but he apparently doesn't get the idea that most sketches are not to scale, and the slant is certainly not to scale, it's exaggerated.

You can calculate the actual slant if you know the distance to the buildings, but does he even attempt this? No, he goes off half-cocked about some sketch that exaggerates the slant. You'd have to look at something 1/8 of the way around the Earth to see a 45 degree slant and you can't see anything that far away, so you'll never see a 45 degree slant. For most things within visible range, the slant will be imperceptible, but it's there.

originally posted by: SynchronousSnake
Link to time zone map

SO by now I hope You see how timezones have no bearing in this topic. this shows if Time zones followed dictation by where the sun was located overhead on a globe or map or whatever it will follow where the sun is not if it inconvenienced it's residents...Time zones follow the dictation of man. not the sun or earth.

We can agree to disregard the human-drawn borders on your link since they are arbitrary, but what's not arbitrary are the blue lines that are perfectly straight and vertical on that map.

Look at the line labeled -5 which is slightly west of New York city, and the line labeled -8 which is slightly west of Los Angeles. That shows that there's about a 3 hour time difference between those two, not as defined by the arbitrary borders of the time zones, but defined by the Earth's rotation. If you travel around the country as you say and have seen the sun you'd know there is about 3 hours difference for the sun to reach roughly the same position in the sky between the east coast and west coast of the US.

There was a video which supposedly tried to explain time zones but it is a failure because it shows a shadow which would not exist on a flat earth as there's nothing to cast the shadow, or terminator line. Remember this?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

That so-called explanation of time zones actually proves the Earth is round by showing a shadow that will only be cast by a round Earth. Did you ever explain retrograde motion of the planets, like Mars?

So in both cases we have arguments purporting to prove a flat Earth which actually do the opposite, which again demonstrates that no rational argument will convince someone who can't even tell that the evidence they're looking at proves the opposite of what they claim. There's really no point in trying.

Maybe, just maybe 100% of the scientists and 80% of the general population are actually right...oh wait that was geocentric statistics. I don't know the stats for flat earth believers. before making this thread, I thought the "flat earth" website was probably a hoax site and nobody really believed that. I still think there can't be too many flat earth believers.

a reply to: Arbitrageur

Exactly the hole I was forcing him down. A Sun always shining on Earth will never have a dark shadow, the Sun may get faint, but can't disappear on a flat Earth.

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Does the Sun Revolve Around the Earth, or does the Earth Revolve Around the Sun?

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