22 injured in stabbing rampage at Pa. high school

originally posted by: onequestion

Twenty-two people were injured when a 16-year-old boy went on a stabbing rampage at a Pennsylvania high school early Wednesday, leaving five students in critical condition, authorities said.

22 injured in stabbing rampage at Pa. high school

Apparently this isn't news because guns weren't involved. Who cares if doesnt fit my agenda.

Like I've said before, our culture of materialism and individual extremism is breaking down the collective mind causing people to get mentally I'll in large numbers. Add onto that poor economic situations, technology, and bad food and we have a serious problem on our hands.

Banning inanimate objects won't fix our problems.

We have a culture problem.

A culture problem.....you think? Breaking down the "collective mind"? I don't even know what the hell that is, but you're right....its a culture problem and once that goes......its gone for good; chaos will ensue and that's what we're seeing break out everywhere. But never mind.......

ITS THE KNIVES, BAN THE KNIVES!

a reply to: Sremmos80

President does it. So it must be ok.

originally posted by: the owlbear

originally posted by: greencmp
a reply to: onequestion

So, if someone was armed, perhaps even a student, this would have been ended before he was able to stab so many.

Am I missing something?

This isn't the Wild West.
Just because someone can be armed doesn't mean they will be responsible with that right. Remember the old retired cop who shot a guy for talking to his babysitter during movie previews? Or this last week the person that whipped out their piece and started firing at a Home Depot suspected shoplifter?
We don't need any more John Waynes or Rambos.

Or 11 year olds who grab a shotgun when they can't see the neighbor's puppy.

Can you honestly not see the practical utility of being able to defend yourself?

originally posted by: greencmp

originally posted by: the owlbear

originally posted by: greencmp
a reply to: onequestion

So, if someone was armed, perhaps even a student, this would have been ended before he was able to stab so many.

Am I missing something?

This isn't the Wild West.
Just because someone can be armed doesn't mean they will be responsible with that right. Remember the old retired cop who shot a guy for talking to his babysitter during movie previews? Or this last week the person that whipped out their piece and started firing at a Home Depot suspected shoplifter?
We don't need any more John Waynes or Rambos.

Or 11 year olds who grab a shotgun when they can't see the neighbor's puppy.

Can you honestly not see the practical utility of being able to defend yourself?

Yes I can.
It works great in other countries that don't have the NRA scaring irresponsible people to be overtly armed, because that's why they exist and are funded by weapon and ammo manufacturers. And why when a Demmycrat is elected "Theyr gunna take yur guns" hype spreads.

Idiots still have their guns.
And are shooting them.

How many instances of some concealed carry person can you cite that did justice?

How many OTHER instances where it goes wrong?

I'm not anti 2nd Amendment...hell, I think billionaires should be able to buy fully armed f-18s, A-10s, etc. If they wish...that might put things in perspective for folks. That 230 year old piece of paper is worshipped as the law. I respect it to its fullest.

a reply to: onequestion

why don't we all just stop watching the news, views go down, no more brain washing and replace the news with something more
constructive like counting clouds

nvm just realised it was old news lol
yeah never heard about this one,

originally posted by: Agit8dChop
a reply to: onequestion

and to think, no one was killed.

imagine if he'd had a gun

Imagine if someone else had a gun. He could've been taken out after 3 or 4 victims instead of 22.

a reply to: the owlbear

12 Times Mass Shootings Were Stopped by Good Guys With Guns

Interestingly, of all of the "mass shootings" ended with a firearm, the average casualty rate for those ended by law enforcement is around 8 or 9 and the average rate for those ended by citizens carrying concealed firearms is about 2 or 3.

What makes it interesting (besides the obvious preference for less casualties), as far as the statistics go, such a low mortality rate actually disqualifies CC ended incidents from being considered "mass shootings".

Idiots without guns cost more lives than wise individuals who protect you and your family even if you choose not to.

I remember this in the news last year quite vividly. The reason this wasn't prominent in the news for months on end was that nobody died. So because people have crappy memories, this is proof of an anti-gun agenda in the media?

I'm concerned that the defense of gun ownership is largely in the hands of people who think this is somehow a convincing argument. Think about it people. The counter to this lame line of reasoning is quite obviously something like, "See a rampage with knives resulted in zero fatalities, imagine how many there would have been if he had a gun!"

a reply to: greencmp

One was a psychiatric facility, a couple were schools, and one was an off duty officer.

Those cases could have went either way. I'm not poo-pooing you. I just think that more guns=more POTENTIAL for violence. We don't need to feel like we need to armed at all times just walking around the US. That's the kind of thinking that's just asking for it...

Grampa doesn't get his Subway sammich made right...BLAM!!!

Kid knocks on the wrong door for Halloween dressed as Elvis...BLAM!!!(This one happened in Florida, guy killed a kid for no reason and got away with it)

Woman "feels" that a person is looking at her questionably in the Wal-Mart parking lot...BLAM!!!

Sure bad things happen due to the prevelance of uneducated gun culture/proliferation...but more guns doesn't equal better times for the general public.

a reply to: the owlbear

The threat of hair-trigger grannies probably does more to keep thugs on their best behavior than anything else so, even that example doesn't pull my heart strings.

The fear runs deep in you, I'll grant you that.

a reply to: onequestion

I haven't heard about it yet until now or else I don't remember it. Thanks for the info. I have repeatedly heard and continue to hear about the Roseburg shooting, like several times a day every day. Sounds like the major news media wasn't reporting it. Neither did the Whitehouse.

originally posted by: greencmp
a reply to: the owlbear

The threat of hair-trigger grannies probably does more to keep thugs on their best behavior than anything else so, even that example doesn't pull my heart strings.

The fear runs deep in you, I'll grant you that.

No, it doesn't.
And, no, I'm not afraid to go about my life.
I'd be more afraid if our society gets to the point that everyone has a pistol at their hip. That would cause more problems, Lash LaRue

a reply to: the owlbear

I hadn't heard of him, thanks for that!

LaRue, with his remarkable resemblance to Bogart, certainly looked the part and was cast after claiming he'd worked a bullwhip since childhood. In fact he had never handled one, so after he was cast he ran out and borrowed a whip. He spent the next several days trying to learn to use it, but wound up beating himself senseless and bloody, and was finally forced to admit to Tansey that he didn't know what he was doing. Impressed by LaRue's sincerity and laughing at his injuries, Tansey arranged for personalized bullwhip instruction, a rather lavish expense for penny-pinching PRC.

Here's the cultural problem: Almost 80 posts but no-one is thinking about the stabbed and wounded kids. THAT'S the problem.

The victims don't matter one iota more than the attacker or the political hay one can make out of the bloodshed.

We must ban knives and outlaw all medicines he was currently taking!

a reply to: cenpuppie

But axes and chainsaws are still OK?

What about chippers?

The only way anyone is going to take the jackknife out of my pocket is to pick it.

Fricken amazing. Not even a gun issue but this tragedy is being used to push an agenda. It's plain that LIVES don't matter to these people. Only the AGENDA matters.

originally posted by: masqua
Here's the cultural problem: Almost 80 posts but no-one is thinking about the stabbed and wounded kids. THAT'S the problem.

The victims don't matter one iota more than the attacker or the political hay one can make out of the bloodshed.

That's 'Merica for you.
Everyone wants to defend their guns even when they aren't involved in the crime.
Sick

And edit to add.

I live in PA. This sucks, but how does someone get so stabby/slashy with so many people? Janitors have mops and brooms to give the beatdown. Teachers and students should have heavy-assed textbooks to throw, or even anything to throw at the stabby weirdo.

originally posted by: the owlbear

originally posted by: masqua
Here's the cultural problem: Almost 80 posts but no-one is thinking about the stabbed and wounded kids. THAT'S the problem.

The victims don't matter one iota more than the attacker or the political hay one can make out of the bloodshed.

That's 'Merica for you.
Everyone wants to defend their guns even when they aren't involved in the crime.
Sick

The point is that guns should have been "involved" in this crime, with good people at their command, this extensive harm would have been averted.

While I will agree that everyone is tired of discussing this topic, part of the OPs point was that banning inanimate objects won't help, I agree.

If I were on your side of this debate about self defense, I would just let that go and pursue the underlying point the OP is trying to focus on, some cultural or societal malignancy that is causing inordinate outbursts of violence.

I disagree with both the claim of relative increase in incidents as well as the general perception of society as an organism with quantifiably isolatable components. That some sort of social incision could be performed to save the patient near death, it would be no different than performing exploratory surgery.

I think that's all rubbish but, I really have no choice but to respond to it since I believe such intervention would be deleterious to society, not restorative.