ALERT: ISIS jihadis posing as migrants 'smuggle deadly undetectable NERVE GAS into Europe'

I posted on ATS the other day the fact that it is believed 1.5 million migrants have entered the EU this year. I voiced my concerns on here that I was concerned as this figure once reunification takes place means Europe could be looking at 6 million just this year! I said my main concerns were with regard to security. People are entering daily with no checks and we don't know where these people are coming from or anything about them. I was called Xenophobic for raising these concerns which makes a change from being called racist.

To the person who gave me that label I would like to draw his attention to headlines such as this:

www.express.co.uk...

ISIS have already said they will send thousands of their soldiers over to Europe at the beginning of the year and David Cameron was warned in Lebanon that at least 2 in every 100 migrants are possibly ISIS terrorists. Then there are headlines like this on a daily basis. Sensationalism? I don't believe so. The whole purpose of ISIS is that they want to create a caliphate in Rome. Open borders in Europe must be like a dream come true for them. I saw a comment on a forum just the other day saying why wasn't it being reported on that Germany had intercepted a message to Muslim migrants to go into woodlands and take up arms. Whether this is true or not I cannot say because I asked for the source but it hasn't been forthcoming. However, it is perfectly feasible that weapons have already been smuggled into European Countries and that sleeping cells are just waiting for the call.

Now there will be some on here who will start telling me I am "xenophobic" and "racist" because I happen to be seriously concerned about our national security. So before the labels start flowing I would like these people to just sit back for a moment and think about why this might be really alarming to many citizens. I have an 8 year old child. As a mother my first instinct is to want to protect my child. I don't have an unreasonable fear of these migrants and it has nothing to do with them as human beings but has everything to do with how do we tell who are the real refugees and who aren't. The figures show that only a small proportion are Syrian and only 20% are families. The left wing/liberals keep saying these people are coming because of complete fear and persecution. Yes some are I do read headlines such as these:

www.express.co.uk...

These are the people we should be helping and giving refuge to first and foremost. Unfortunately, because 80% aren't Syrian and aren't escaping persecution as the example today in newspaper it is difficult to see who is genuine and who isn't.

www.dailymail.co.uk... ce-Saturday.html

I would be interested to know what the lefties/liberals think the solution is to this. Do they think we should just let everyone in regardless of the fact that most aren't running from persecution but are actually economic migrants. Do they then not think that is unfair on the genuine refugees. The other argument I don't understand is that lefties/liberals are totally against the austerity measures in the UK (which I am myself) but then at the same time want to take in a infinite amount of people. Do they not see how this make austerity worse. Yes there will be highly educated people amongst the 1.5 million but they are not all doctors, brain surgeons as the lefties would like people to believe. If they were they would be applying to the UK through the correct channels.

Finally, I don't want the one line, we should just take them and you are xenophobic, racist that doesn't answer the debate I am trying to open up here. I would like some real answers from the people who believe we should have no borders and accept the world in.

When I read the sensational headline which covers 2 MSM inspired moral panics I thought:

"Will the link be Express or Daily Mail?"

Double whammy!

To add: The article says "Could have smuggled" because they are scentless and tasteless.

Those pictures on the second link are good too... you want a job at The Sun?

a reply to: and14263Forget the newspaper headlines, its actually been in every newspaper today. You have done exactly what I asked people not to do. What are your actual views on the migrant crisis. ISIS vowing to send over their soldiers isn't sensationalism, their video said the same at the beginning of the year. Hungary arrested a migrant a couple of weeks ago who was a known terrorist. That was the day when they arrested about 40 people. So out of that 40 people 1 was a known terrorist. What about the ones who aren't known terrorists? The odds are quite high aren't they 1 in 40? Then there was the terrorist who was arrested in Germany. When only a few weeks ago a terrorist was stopped carrying out an atrocity on a train in France. He had smuggled himself in. There have been many arrested just this year who have been planning atrocities. To just dismiss these facts as sensationalism is ridiculous when there are hard facts, such as arrests. When David Cameron is warned in Lebanon that 2 in every 100 are ISIS disguised as refugees (and that is from the camps). So instead of coming out with sarcastic comments why don't you give your views one way or the other to open up debate?

a reply to: anxiouswens
The Express AND The Daily Mail are your sources.......nuf said. I don't deny that this is an opportunity for ISIS but until there is some real evidence from a believable source I'll not take the right wing xenophobic bait.

So we have to believe an "insider".....hmmm yeah right.

You do realise that one of the tactics of ISIS (and all extreme organisations) is to instill fear so that everyone goes around fearing their own shadow. The extremists WANTS YOU to be fearful of all immigrants. Then the native population imbarks on path of protest and intimidation out of fear. This then causes the immigrant population to withdraw inwards on itself and become detached from the rest of society with only themselves as protection. Guess what happens then......the extremist moves in as the immigrants saviour.

Well done by spreading this fear you have become a propoganda agent for ISIS.

Just fyi. Express is not the most trusted source. Also the gas mask that was photo shopped
Goes far on the excelleration of the story.

That same pic has been prostitutionalized a hundred times (without the mask)

Isis preys on fear.... I don't believe you are racist however.

a reply to: yorkshireladMoving on to another of my comments. Do you believe then that we should have no borders and just let everyone in regardless of which country they are coming from, do you believe we should give economic migrants the same chance as genuine refugees. Shall we just add them to the rising number of homeless people already in the UK? The Iranian guys who came through the tunnel should we just let them stay now because they have managed to illegally enter the UK? If we are to have this philosophy should I then not be able to walk into America, Australia wherever I feel like without having to show a passport. May as well have everyone with no borders and the world will be a much happier place. Let criminals get away with whatever crimes they have committed by just moving from country to country to evade the law. These are genuine questions I would just like you to answer because once again you seem to be more bothered about what newspaper I have quoted rather than the actual questions I am asking.

For the record my fears come from intuition and not really from headlines in newspapers. I have just quoted those as examples. I could have used any mainstream newspaper. Then again, if I wasn't to use the main stream and had gone down the road of going to sites which aren't in the public domain then those facts would be referred to as even more sensationalism. I really find it difficult to understand why people aren't alarmed at the sheer numbers who are coming into Europe unchecked. Even if they are not terrorists, without knowing who they are or where they are coming from (as a lot destroy identity) we don't know how many criminals we are letting in, we should know this for national security. Its only last year that a Lativan man raped and murdered a 15 year old girl in the UK. He had managed to come into the UK without proper checks being made. Had those checks been made they would have realised that he had been arrested for a similar crime in his homeland.

a reply to: anxiouswens

You are derailing your own thread, I think. Strawman, because sources = bad?


Okay, to your concerns:

yes, there will always be as*holes in that crowd. It can't be avoided, humans are that way. In 100,000 there is a murderous psychopath.

But: they are screened for weapons, as far as possible. If you doubt that, please bring up numbers, sources, facts.

a reply to: anxiouswens

Wow, where do we start with this?

First off, moral panics... Link.

Moral panic has a tendency to exaggerate statistics and to create a bogey-man, known as a folk-devil in sociological terms

The article may as well say - "Islamic Muslim barbarians known as ISIS might be bringing in AIDS to inject YOUR babies and kill them -It's odourless so this could be happening!"

Can you see why that is a none story and is written to inspire a moral panic - This type of article is known as propaganda and is written by journalists who have either sold their soul or/and understand how to manipulate the reader emotionally to get more clicks and sales.


My views? An influx of migrants into this country is inevitable because we give away benefits and have open borders. However the embellishment of how many of these are terrorists is a fabrication by the media - just like when the Kosovans first came over - remember how the media convinced us they were getting cars for free and there were millions?


Look mate, I'm not saying I want the immigrants or that I agree with Islam but you have to look at things rationally, sensibly and realistically - without being influenced by the media.

My catchphrase:

Don't ask WHAT'S in the news... ask WHY it's in the news.

a reply to: anxiouswens


Because there are psychopaths, everywhere.

If there was one person from latvia who raped someone, there will be 10,000 who don't.
I can only guess how difficult and time-consuming (THE MAIN PROBLEM!) it would be to screen every refugee with some databanks in their homecountry. Oh, there aren't so many of those databanks, too.

I see some difficulties, but nothing our policeforces are not able to cope with.

Just yesterday there were 2 major struggles/fights in refugee housings in Hamburg and Braunschweig (Brunswig). One about a theft of mobiles, the other was between Albanians and Syrians because allegedly the Albanians were trying to enforce an illegal tax on visits to the sanitary.. Both were handled sufficiently by the police. Some people were arrested, one person was brought to a hospital for a knife wound. # happens. In Braunschweig the housing occupancy was THREE times over its limit - which puts a lot of stress on the residents, I think.

originally posted by: ManFromEurope
a reply to: anxiouswens

You are derailing your own thread, I think. Strawman, because sources = bad?


Okay, to your concerns:

yes, there will always be as*holes in that crowd. It can't be avoided, humans are that way. In 100,000 there is a murderous psychopath.

But: they are screened for weapons, as far as possible. If you doubt that, please bring up numbers, sources, facts.

No but yeah but, it's undetectable nerve gas ain't it....

the kind they don't use on Syrians and Iraqi Kurds who they are at war with but smuggle it in lucozade bottles across hundreds of miles and numerous borders to save it in London until they can plan a strike...

Do not fear my dear, there will be a few bad eggs in there, but we have a very capable security service, there has always been the threat of chemical and biological weapons getting into the wrong hands, I can only think of China where it has happened.

You and your children are as likely to be gassed and bombed as you are to be taken by a great white shark in your local swimming baths. There may be 0.01% more chance of this since the migrant crisis but keep it in perspective, do you drive your kids around? Now let's talk about danger.

www.algemeiner.com...#

I've attached this link as well.

A small religious cult in Japan was able to pull off a nerve gas attack in Tokyo. Why wouldn't ISIS be able to pull off an even bigger strike? They seem to be funded well enough.
Tokyo Subway Sarin Attack- Wikipedia
The cult made the Sarin themselves... so it wouldn't actually even need to be smuggled.

a reply to: anxiouswens

I was a bit slow but - that link you posted - the 2014 attack done by the Doomsday Cult (nothing to do with ISIS).

You're a troll and I bit.

Sorry ATS.

ISIS were supposed to be a 30 year event in the War on Freedom but Putin is rectifying that,yes there probably will be some Western backed NBC attack to make us scared of the bogey men,whom for the most part so far are disenfranchised lone wolf teens.

originally posted by: khnum
ISIS were supposed to be a 30 year event in the War on Freedom but Putin is rectifying that,yes there probably will be some Western backed NBC attack to make us scared of the bogey men,whom for the most part so far are disenfranchised lone wolf teens.

With the Russians using cruise missiles against ISIS now, I wouldn't be surprised to see some kind of scary 'attack' (false flag, what have you) against a civilian target in a populated area.

a reply to: and14263My 2014 link was in actual fact a reply to ButcherGuy.

A troll is someone who taunts or deliberately tries to get an argument going to get an emotional response. I think that in fact is more what you are doing. I wanted an actual debate about these very real concerns, not just my concerns, many other UK citizens. As usual it is just shouted down with silly labels without actually looking at how dangerous the open borders in Europe are. Question why have we always had passport control etc in all countries? Why do most countries still protect their borders, from danger of course. So why aren't Europe protecting their borders when there are clearly very real dangers with terrorism at an all time high.

a reply to: and14263If you had actually read the 2014 link you would see that it is referring to ISIS and saying that something very similar could be carried out in Europe or USA!

a reply to: butcherguy

Now there are headlines 'Russian gangs' trying to sell nuclear material to ISIS in Moldova,this is getting ridiculous at least Goebbels spun credible bs

originally posted by: khnum
a reply to: butcherguy

Now there are headlines 'Russian gangs' trying to sell nuclear material to ISIS in Moldova,this is getting ridiculous at least Goebbels spun credible bs

Indeed!
Yet they keep playing the game as if we can't see it.