CERN and the Indentured Servants/Slaves Who Work There

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Heck I would take a five year job at cern...as a tea boy about the only thing I would be qualified as working there.
5 years contract I bet many would snap their hands off having job security like that.
BTW If anyone at cern wants to offer me a job I make a cracking brew .

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

I am a professional author and have signed and even written at times more contracts than you ever will in your entire life. But your position is based only upon assumption, and the problem is you are unable to see past it. CERN will be paid for by defence spending and in defence indentured servants are common, they make up the army, air force, navy on all levels. I can tell you in contracts it is all in the wording just one point what would you call someones contract, that had made the person an indentured servant? Would you call the contract an indenture or an indefinite term contract?

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

I thought the point was obvious: WHO GETS TO DETERMINE THE LENGTH OF THE CONTRACT and I see no reason why it should be the person who signs the contract for work and not CERN or whoever runs it at the time. Remember the army is full of indentured servants, and they all keep each other from breaking their indenture.

a reply to: TrueBrit

My argument has nothing to do with the occult. Those people who go to live on Mars will also be slaves, owned by NASA.

a reply to: simro

Lol professional writer my arse lol.
In many professions you are given a contract for a certain amount of years or months this is nothing new.
Also you can bet the lucky fellows who get a job there are very happy being at the forefront of science imagine CERN on your CV.

a reply to: boymonkey74

a reply to: boymonkey74

Here is a link to a society I am a member of which only takes professional authors, although I must admit to not linking anywhere near all my books to it, but still on the link below is me.

www.societyofauthors.org...

Also I am a professional author, writer is generic and includes journalists, hacks and all type of people....

a reply to: simro

Indentured servitude is a very specific set of employment circumstances. It refers to situations in which the employee is forced to remain in the employ of the issuer of the contract, with little, or no pay what so ever. This was most common during the period where Europeans were looking to get to the New World. They would be indentured to a person who required labour for a minimum term, although many of these servants never attained their freedom, and had their indenture sold to another employer, or what have you, often several times in their lives.

This situation is totally, completely, and utterly different. We are talking about already skilled people, who have to be at the top of their game just to get a look in at CERN, being given the chance to operate the coolest experiment in all of history, and being paid well to do it too. Oh, and as for your being an author, I do not doubt you, but I would say the following two things:

1) Being an author does not mean one has signed an awful lot of contracts, and been in full awareness of their meaning in law, because the English language and legalese share many words, but those words do not tend to mean what they appear to, at first, second, third, or fifty seventh glance.

2) There were some pretty significantly poor examples of grammar and punctuation in the post to which I am responding. Now, I know that it is nice to take a break from work, and I imagine that working with the English language has rather the same effect on ones wish to engage with all of its details, when not engaged in paid work, as good food has on a chef. They love to cook, but when they get home, many of them are not beyond putting a gas station pie in the microwave and falling into bed for a snooze, rather than whipping up some gorgeous menu item from scratch having just finished a heavy shift. I can totally understand that, and indeed your lapse in your last post, but please remember, that failing to communicate effectively will not improve the impact and persuasiveness of your arguments.

a reply to: simro

Okay just your posts don't appear like they are written by a professional author I apologize.

Back to the OP I don't see how this can be slavery I mean people are not forced to take the job and can quit anytime.

a reply to: TrueBrit

I wish I had your brains and way of typing dude it is a pleasure everytime.
i must come down to you one day so we can get drunk.

a reply to: boymonkey74

I didn't know you could read well enough to read actual books.

a reply to: simro

lol nice one touche.

a reply to: TrueBrit

1. You know bugger all about how many contracts professional authors sign because you are not one.
2. We may live in an internet age but the time when I take english lessons from a d#ckhead who only ever gets to write things for free on the internet has not come yet: and never will.
Let me tell you what being a professional author means, it means that I can write work and it can go to a publisher like anyone can with 10,000+ other works and make it off every time. That is only the start and that my books can then reliably make enough money every time. Many of my books sell in different countries which means although I live in the UK I am an export and bring money into the country instead of simply moving money around through the work which many people do.

Some people seem to be under the idea that high skilled people do not make life mistakes. In fact this is not true and I wonder if the people who make this mistake have actually even ever seen a physicist or engineer: the dominant set of people they hire. Yes we highly skilled people still make mistakes, and even can make large life mistakes at times. We get married, get divorced, and can still make mistakes. But really there are some things people should be protected against. This is the modern world and any contract from such a prominent organisation which is government ran, which does not publish details is spurious: especially when all other branches of government of the same size do.

Look out everyone..

We have a professional writer gracing our presence.
Everyone should back away and let him continue to enjoy his power trip.

a reply to: opethPA

Don't be stupid it is my job and if you look back you will notice that I only mentioned it when accused of not knowing contracts: when authors sign many contracts, so yes we all understand them.

Also I use the word professional author and not writer: writer is generic when I actually write only books these days.

a reply to: simro

Are you ok?

I only ask, because it seems to me that there was something very disproportionate and unusual about the reaction you had to my responding post just now. At no point did I use insulting language toward you, or suggest that you had been dishonest about your current mode of employment, nor did I suggest that you were an author of limited ability. Let me assure you, not only did I not suggest any of those things, but I hold no such notions in my head or heart toward you. And yet, your response to me would, if removed from the context of the rest of the thread, appear to a reader as if the person who had penned it had just been thoroughly abused by their correspondent.

I certainly intended no insult by what I said sir, and fail to understand where you managed to find it, despite my good intentions.

originally posted by: simro
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

I am a professional author and have signed and even written at times more contracts than you ever will in your entire life. But your position is based only upon assumption, and the problem is you are unable to see past it. CERN will be paid for by defence spending and in defence indentured servants are common, they make up the army, air force, navy on all levels. I can tell you in contracts it is all in the wording just one point what would you call someones contract, that had made the person an indentured servant? Would you call the contract an indenture or an indefinite term contract?

Except you are wrong and sourced what it means. You are clearly purposefully and willfully ignorant.

originally posted by: simro
Cern are using indentured servants, yes they are giving people the option but they are getting people to sign indefinite term contracts, this is basically a science/technology slave where they are there for life not matter what happens. If you don't believe me here is the link
jobs.web.cern.ch...

I was surprised and cern has been linked to all types of worries but how evil can you get, get the people you want and make them into indentured servants AKA slaves. Its like the people who are to live on Mars they will never come back and will basically be just as owned as the space ship which owns them. If this the future of international world science, slavery and people owning to secure labour and development. y]

In what would seem an unrelated post, I have noticed a new employment category popup in my counry called 'contingiency work" in addition to permanent, part time and casual we now have 'contingiency work.' Why do I suspect that this means you spend xyz hours at the work place but you only get paid for each hour or part hour you work, eg if they give you 20 minutues work you get paid for 20 minutes. 2 hours later you might half an hours work etc.

The employment concept you describe and the one I suspect are both horrendous pertents of what might come to be the norm for bottom end people.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

I am actually a member of a research society; so no I am not ignorant.