What this woman says sends a chill down my bone

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: enlightenedservant

"I'm actually serious here. Some posters here seem to be highly intelligent & rational until the words "Muslim", "Sharia", or "Islam" come up. "

To be fair Islamophobia to some degree or another has been bred into most of our respective western cultures since the time of the first crusade. And to be honest Sharia law is a problem for most of us simply because in rather a few instances it contradicts the direct law of the land. Also in my opinion woman certainly seem to get the rough end of the deal compared to there male counterparts in certain circumstance when said Sharia is concerned.

But that's not true. Women have the same requirements as men according to the Qur'an. And unlike the Bible, the Qur'an gives women the rights to inheritance, divorce, child support and alimony (it literally requires the ex-husband to financially take care of the ex-wife & any of their kids until she gets re-married).

Women have to pray, fast during Ramadan, go on Hajj, give to charity, seek & acquire knowledge, and help the poor just like males. They aren't supposed to get intoxicated, steal, or kill either; and on the Day of Judgment, they'll be held just as responsible for their actions & inactions as men will be. And we don't believe in the concept of an "Original Sin", so we don't hold females accountable for the temptation of Adam (as some Judeo-Christian denominations do). The major difference is women are supposed to treat their families, children, and households as their #1 priority, while men are supposed to focus on the outer things more (being the "breadwinners", community politics, etc).

And even then, women are not banned by the Qur'an from pursuing jobs & politics, they're banned by regional cultures. As an example, the 3 most populous Muslim countries have all had female Heads of State just in the last 60 years or so (Indonesia, Bangladesh, and Pakistan). Those 3 countries represent roughly 30-33% of all Muslims on the planet. But people always ignore these countries & point to the misogynist practices in Afghanistan & the Arabian Gulf, even though most Muslims don't even live in the Middle East.

originally posted by: FlySolo
a reply to: enlightenedservant

Out of all of the possible interpretations, you immediately jumped onto the most ridiculous & most negative one.

How many possible context interpretations of "We will be the Majority soon" can you think of?

How would we soon make up the majority in America? How? Did you even think that through? Or do you believe the vast majority of Americans will suddenly convert to Islam?

Birthrates? It's simple math

I wonder how you'd react if you overheard a Muslim ordering mashed potatoes? Would you think he or she was going to attack someone?

Well if they attacked someone with mashed potatoes, then maybe that someone might attack back with a spoonful of peas?

I mean, are you also this scared of me? If you saw me or my Muslim mom shopping in the mall, would you call the police on us?

well I don't know. Are you still armed with mashed potatoes?

Can't you see that you're the ones with problems, not us? They call it "Islamophobia" because it's an irrational fear.

Ok, so Europe is undergoing a severe case of irrational fear? And it's our problem for admitting we don't want Europe's crisis to end up in N. America? And it's irrational to think Muslims want to dominate the world. Nope, not buying.

What part of "less than 2% of the US population" don't you get? Do the math yourself. There's no way we'll become the majority of the US even with these higher birthrates. Even if we increased our population by 1000%, it would still leave us at less than 20% of the US population. You're just fearmongering.

Also, whose fault is it that non-Muslims don't have a lot of kids? If people really think we'll become the new majority through birthrates, why not have some kids & teach them your beliefs? What's that got to do with us?

Also, it's not our fault that Americans are losing faith in Christianity. America has a solid Christian majority right now & self described Christians have control of both political parties right now (as well as most businesses in the US). Islam will never be able to become the majority religion in America unless Americans reject Christianity as a whole & convert to Islam in mass. But Americans are more likely to convert into atheists in mass than convert to Islam in mass. So that's not going to happen either.

originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: blueman12
I don't know if it is a possible outcome anytime soon. But, I feel like many Muslims coming from the middle east want this. Islam is not a peaceful or tolerant religion. However, there are a lot of tolerant and peaceful Muslims. I get the impression that they have to force their own human compassion and understanding into that dreaded religion.

I was using that as an example of some of the things we have going on here already but without Muslims being behind it obviously.

I think you could say many religions would fit the description of being "not peaceful or tolerant" actually. But even then it wouldn't be fair to say Everyone within those same religions would fit that description. Take enlightenedservant here at ATS who I believe is a Muslim and to me seems like a very intelligent and tolerant person.

(pats self on the back )

Thanks for the the kind words, though I don't want to mislead you on something. I'm tolerant of people regardless of their skin color, hair color, height, weight, gender, nationality, ethnicity, sexual orientation, hobbies, religion, creed, ideology, marital status, etc. But I'm completely intolerant of intolerance. I'm kind of like the guard dog that doesn't care what the people do as long as it causes no harm ("live and let live"). But once they start hurting, bullying, or oppressing each other, I get involved.

In the real world, I'm just as intense against the Middle East's "kafala" system as I am against America's low wage system (Fight for $15!!!). And I'm just as supportive of the women's rights movements in African & Muslim countries as I am of the ones in West. And I've had almost as many physical confrontations against child abusers & women bashers as I have against racists. But most people on ATS don't actually seem to care about those "left wing" issues, which is why I rarely mention them here (and don't bother making threads about them either).

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
a reply to: enlightenedservant

Can't you see that you're the ones with problems, not us? They call it "Islamophobia" because it's an irrational fear. I could see if y'all focused on things that will actually kill you, like heart disease, cancers, abusive spouses, AIDS, prescription & recreational drug abuse, etc. But no, you focus on less than 2% of the American public because why?

Im sure the butchered, murdered, crucified, beheaded, shot, blown up, set on fire, sold into sex slavery, families massacred at the hands of people like ISIS dont see it as an irrational fear......

To dismiss peoples concerns off hand in the face of such ongoing atrocities, and clearly bigoted Islamic nations like Iran and Saudi Arabia, who will jail or kill you for being gay or preaching christianity, is about as ignorant as it comes......

Its not unfounded to have concerns, when you look at whats going on over in Europe with the influx of Muslim culture and the issues theyre having.......

Please spare me the PC bullcrap

"PC bullcrap"? Christians in the West have done everything you mentioned as well. So should we label all of them as well?

Look at WWI, WWII; the millions of civilians killed in the Western invasions of Vietnam in the 1st & 2nd Indochina Wars; the million & a half Algerians killed by the French; the half a million Iraqi kids starved to death because of the sanctions after the 1st Iraq War; the hundreds of thousands killed in the 2nd Iraq War, etc. These are all just in the last 100 years. The West is literally built on killing through the Military Industrial Complex, yet somehow that doesn't count as violence? Oh sorry, it's just "collateral damage" and "bug splat" when you do it right?

Look up the term "lynching postcards". Just in the early & mid-1900s, white Christians would burn black people then take pictures with them to use as postcards. There was literally no fear of being arrested or tried in court for it. And they would even sell pieces of the charred livers as souvenirs. 2 of my own African American Christian uncles were chopped into pieces by members of the KKK, which calls itself a Christian organization. And surely I don't need to mention the Christian slave trades, do I?

But instead of blaming the collective, I blame the individuals who do the actual crimes. Why's that so hard for some of you to do? Oh & Saudi Arabia only has about 28 million people, 6-8 million of which are foreign workers. And Qatar has around 200,000 citizens (and about 2 million foreign workers). Their Wahhabi denomination is an extremely small minority of Muslims, and most Muslims are neither Arabs nor live in the Middle East. To put it in perspective, there are more Muslims in Nigeria than in Saudi Arabia. And there are almost 3 times as many Muslims in Indonesia as there are in the entire Arabian Peninsula.

Have you ever thought to ask yourself why you never hear about them?

a reply to: MrConspiracy

Is call specific targeting by way of intimidation, propagandizing Islam in America as the best religion in the world has become an agenda post 9/11 and thanks to the present administration.


Educated Americans, may be losing their faith in the Christian church, but they will never turn to Islam and that is a fact.

And is very well know in America that while some practice Islam and call themselves Muslim is also the side of Islam that brings the same oppressive life and views that supposedly they claim they are trying to run away from in order to achieve a better life.

People needs to keep their religion to themselves and leave the rest of the population alone, Islam is not the religion from where the US was founded upon.

I do not offer apologist for my dislike of radical Islam believes and neither any religion, and neither should you.

That is our rights as Americans.

a reply to: FlySolo

False Bravado... nothing more.

The US has what, 450million people and the Muslim population is only around 1.5%

If she's trying to boast that her tiny minority is going to breed fast enough to out-populate the rest of the country, she's really dreaming..!!

Maybe one day, in a couple of hundred years or so of constant breeding, but I would wager that this minority will have dug it's own grave long before that happens and the other 98.5% of Americas population opens a can of Whoop-ass on them.

They have been saying the same thing here in Australia. "Australia will be an Islamic nation", "We will conquer all Australia for Islam", etc, etc..

But again, their portion of the population is so small, they could never do it without getting wiped out in the process and probably will be at their own self righteous doing at some point.

They are already starting to push peoples buttons and even the apologists (while quite loud), are also quite massively outnumbered.

ONe thing I haven't seen addressed here is the particular holiday they are talking about, Eid


Have a look at google images of the day of Eid: HERE

originally posted by: 8675309jenny
Have a look at google images of the day of Eid: HERE

Christians eat lamb at Easter.

Ever heard lambs screaming when they are slaughtered, Clarice?

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: 8675309jenny
Have a look at google images of the day of Eid: HERE

Christians eat lamb at Easter.

Ever heard lambs screaming when they are slaughtered, Clarice?

Civilized human beings slaughter their meat humanely and in a slaughterhouse.

MiddleEasterners tie camels to cars and slit their throats in the f**king street!!

And I don't care what religion someone is when they are being inhumane nutjobs.

a reply to: FlySolo

Gotta love democracy...keep those gates open America, pretty soon my kid will be going to school in the summer...I say do away with all religious holidays and keep February Vacation, April Vacation and let the kids have a longer summer..

originally posted by: 8675309jenny
Civilized human beings slaughter their meat humanely and in a slaughterhouse.

MiddleEasterners tie camels to cars and slit their throats in the f**king street!!

Maybe they do not have an actual slaughterhouse or butcher's shop. I take it you have never been to a kosher slaughterhouse either?

I travel to Italy regularly since we still have property there. When I want chicken my cousin goes out to the coup, grabs one and slices its neck in the kitchen sink. Presto, chango, dead chicken. Did it really make a difference that it was in her house or the butcher shop in the next town over?

originally posted by: 8675309jenny
ONe thing I haven't seen addressed here is the particular holiday they are talking about, Eid


Have a look at google images of the day of Eid: HERE

Sounds like a great time for the whole family....oh religion...you started out as a good idea...the only flaw in the equation are human beings....

originally posted by: Violater1
a reply to: FlySolo

If they don't like it, then they can go back to their home land.

This is their new home land. It's already been decided. And all of us let it happen.

originally posted by: 8675309jenny
ONe thing I haven't seen addressed here is the particular holiday they are talking about, Eid


Have a look at google images of the day of Eid: HERE

That was GROSS. Where are the Vegans???

originally posted by: StoutBroux

That was GROSS. Where are the Vegans???

Are you a vegan? Because that is how many people in the world turn animals into food.

originally posted by: enlightenedservant

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
a reply to: enlightenedservant

Can't you see that you're the ones with problems, not us? They call it "Islamophobia" because it's an irrational fear. I could see if y'all focused on things that will actually kill you, like heart disease, cancers, abusive spouses, AIDS, prescription & recreational drug abuse, etc. But no, you focus on less than 2% of the American public because why?

Im sure the butchered, murdered, crucified, beheaded, shot, blown up, set on fire, sold into sex slavery, families massacred at the hands of people like ISIS dont see it as an irrational fear......

To dismiss peoples concerns off hand in the face of such ongoing atrocities, and clearly bigoted Islamic nations like Iran and Saudi Arabia, who will jail or kill you for being gay or preaching christianity, is about as ignorant as it comes......

Its not unfounded to have concerns, when you look at whats going on over in Europe with the influx of Muslim culture and the issues theyre having.......

Please spare me the PC bullcrap

"PC bullcrap"? Christians in the West have done everything you mentioned as well. So should we label all of them as well?

Look at WWI, WWII; the millions of civilians killed in the Western invasions of Vietnam in the 1st & 2nd Indochina Wars; the million & a half Algerians killed by the French; the half a million Iraqi kids starved to death because of the sanctions after the 1st Iraq War; the hundreds of thousands killed in the 2nd Iraq War, etc. These are all just in the last 100 years. The West is literally built on killing through the Military Industrial Complex, yet somehow that doesn't count as violence? Oh sorry, it's just "collateral damage" and "bug splat" when you do it right?

Look up the term "lynching postcards". Just in the early & mid-1900s, white Christians would burn black people then take pictures with them to use as postcards. There was literally no fear of being arrested or tried in court for it. And they would even sell pieces of the charred livers as souvenirs. 2 of my own African American Christian uncles were chopped into pieces by members of the KKK, which calls itself a Christian organization. And surely I don't need to mention the Christian slave trades, do I?

But instead of blaming the collective, I blame the individuals who do the actual crimes. Why's that so hard for some of you to do? Oh & Saudi Arabia only has about 28 million people, 6-8 million of which are foreign workers. And Qatar has around 200,000 citizens (and about 2 million foreign workers). Their Wahhabi denomination is an extremely small minority of Muslims, and most Muslims are neither Arabs nor live in the Middle East. To put it in perspective, there are more Muslims in Nigeria than in Saudi Arabia. And there are almost 3 times as many Muslims in Indonesia as there are in the entire Arabian Peninsula.

Have you ever thought to ask yourself why you never hear about them?

Can you please keep topic to the present day and age? We are trying to move on and improve. If we continue to live in the past we can't also move to the future. Or is that where Muslims missed the boat?

Keep lapping up the propaganda folks.

originally posted by: FlySolo

eta: I have to say what it is, too many are missing it. At 35 seconds a woman says "We are not the minority here by the turn out, and soon we will all be the majority"

Just a note on listening skills...
"We are no longer the minority, that is clear from tonight. We are going to be the majority soon"

Now a note on context....
Can you tell me what she said before or after that? What the statement was in response to? Like a school board member maybe saying "we shouldn't be changing the holiday schedule due to a minority of the Muslim community asking for an additional Holiday?"

A note on Xenophobia...
What makes you get a sick feeling in your gut?

A note on statistics...
Muslims make up less than 1% of the US population. Christians make up 79%..
In Jersey City (OP City) the Muslims make up 4.2% of religions...also strangely a healthy portion of Latino Muslims
What are you scared of?

A note on critical thinking...AKA...asking questions..
The reporter said the city council "unanimously approved the Holiday", but the school board refused to recognize it?
What is going on here?
Have you researched the issue?

The Middle East has always been a positive representation of how people should get along. And that woman was telling the truth. it's just a matter of time.

a reply to: Indigo5

I'd say 41 flags 36 stars says she's not alone.