MSF staff killed in suspected US strike on Afghan hospital

a reply to: tiredoflooking

It is currently 3.47 here in the UK. I have checked throughout the UK media on this event and there is very little being said about it.

Now there is a push to distract from this event with the British PM Cameron saying puti is supporting the butcher assad. Also the timely release of a photographer working in Syria claiming the evil acts assad has carried out against his own people. Maybe these things are true. But this is not the time to investigate.

Now is the time to investigate the American bombing of a medical facility killing doctors and patients. They knew the exact location and should have never fired anywhere near this area. This area will immediately flag up as a no bombing zone. Therefore this has been a conscious decision to bomb and deal with the consequences.

People need to wake up and demand answers.

a reply to: Irishhaf

I have meet alot of US service men and they have all generally been good people. So are most US people.

But lets not kid ourselves.
Your government and top echelons are up to some dodgy #.

a reply to: liteonit6969

I agree.

A Little off topic -but in response to your post briefly- The whole Assad is evil thing being portrayed by the allies is ridiculous too. He is, I'm sure, not a great guy but back in 2011 or even before when this Syria BS started if the allies were SOO worried about all of his evil chemical weapon bombings all they had to do was declare a no fly zone there. They wouldn't do it then, NOW that Russia is showing up with planes they are talking about doing it?! After all those refugees have been driven out.. I bet this , I'm sure they will say, "accidental bombing" might even be used as a reason for implementing a no fly zone.

a reply to: tiredoflooking

I totally agree with you. Unfortunately the mass can't see past their mobile phones and news feeds.

a reply to: liteonit6969

Yup just an interesting article I found after my post...

www.thenational.ae...

It is not right what is going on over there in Afghanistan, Syria or anywhere pretty much.

a reply to: crazyewok

On that you'll get no argument from me.

I imagine hitting a hospital is a nightmare many combat pilots have... Probably right up there with hitting allies.

a reply to: Irishhaf

Unfortunately I think the nightmare for some of these monsters isn't hitting it....but getting caught hitting it.

a reply to: liteonit6969

Obviously I can't speak for every aircrew member.

Statistically a few people that get off on killing I'm sure get through the tests..

But again negligence has to be proven... Or willful intent must be proven.

a reply to: Anaana

That would be them protecting their poppy fields..the U.S. I mean

MSF demands explanations after deadly airstrikes hit hospital in Kunduz

3 October 2015

Kabul/Brussels – The international medical organisation Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) condemns in the strongest possible terms the horrific aerial bombing of its hospital in Kunduz, Afghanistan. Twelve staff members and at least seven patients, including three children, were killed; 37 people were injured including 19 staff members. This attack constitutes a grave violation of International Humanitarian Law.

All indications currently point to the bombing being carried out by international Coalition forces. MSF demands a full and transparent account from the Coalition regarding its aerial bombing activities over Kunduz on Saturday morning. MSF also calls for an independent investigation of the attack to ensure maximum transparency and accountability.

“This attack is abhorrent and a grave violation of International Humanitarian Law,” said Meinie Nicolai, MSF President. “We demand total transparency from Coalition forces. We cannot accept that this horrific loss of life will simply be dismissed as ‘collateral damage’.”

a reply to: vonclod

What is happening here on ATS?

Do you people not know what has happened? Do the public not know what happened? This is a blatant war crime.
The media is not reporting on this. What the hell?
The head of US led forces in Afghanistan has said this is possible "collateral damage". They knew this was a medical facility and continually hit it even though it was marked and phone calls where sent out to call it off.

This for me is the most blatant black out of an event like this I have ever seen.

Doctors and patients have been blown to pieces. Children have been burned in their hospital beds.
This was all done knowingly straight from the head of the US led forces


Where are you ATS members who want to end this kind of criminal activity? This thread is too quiet. What the hell is going on?

a reply to: Irishhaf

From 2:10 am till 3:13 am they were bombed.This does not sound like an 'accident' in a failure of equipment. This was either a deliberate attack on them,or an accident by the US picking a wrong target.

Here is what makes everyone else so mad. They have seen what we are capable of in the very first Iraq war under Bush Sr. They know we can do precise bombings and pick and choose our targets well. Our equipment and tech have only gotten better since then.So why can we not drop supplies to Kurds without it oops falling into ISIS hands instead? And why can we not bomb the right targets? This is inexcusable for us. If we weren't shoving our rear ends in every other countries affairs we wouldn't have this nonsense. We need to stay home and work on our own issues.

originally posted by: liteonit6969
a reply to: vonclod

What is happening here on ATS?

Do you people not know what has happened? Do the public not know what happened? This is a blatant war crime.
The media is not reporting on this. What the hell?
The head of US led forces in Afghanistan has said this is possible "collateral damage". They knew this was a medical facility and continually hit it even though it was marked and phone calls where sent out to call it off.

This for me is the most blatant black out of an event like this I have ever seen.

Doctors and patients have been blown to pieces. Children have been burned in their hospital beds.
This was all done knowingly straight from the head of the US led forces


Where are you ATS members who want to end this kind of criminal activity? This thread is too quiet. What the hell is going on?

People have nothing to say when they wish to feel patriotism but instead are confronted with utter disgust in their own country, I guess. Heads in the sand, it is much easier to just not think about it.

I tell you people better start thinking about it soon because this crap going on the middle east is going to catch up to our countries soon. Us too, as Canadians, this time, usually we are "peacekeepers" this time we sent our like 4 fighter planes from the 1960's over there to "help" our allies. That's our lovely leader Steven Harper shouting out "Obama please pick us pick us" to fly our ridiculously obsolete aircraft for like 1 bombing run just so we can say we are helping. That's another story, but really folks this whole "Quagmire" over there is going to blow back on us here in peaceful North America, when it does everyone is going to wish they did a hell of a lot more to speak up. Effin genocide is going on over there just like WW2, no in fact it is worse because we are participating in it, we need to speak up and do something. We need to make it heard that we the people will not stand for this and these actions against other human beings.

An air campaign against an enemy with no air force is not a war ,
it's a slaughter.If there were terrorists at that hospital , it
would make more sense to send in ground troops , not just
deliberately ,and indiscriminately blow away a hundred
people who are already non-combatant victims . As well as my
friends , MSF ! The world is thoroughly sick of US -BS .
They only have allies because everyone else is terrified of
getting on the wrong side of the creeps > Get yourselves a mirror
America , and maybe start bombing your real enemies at home,
GANG members !

a reply to: Anaana

Obviously it had to be the US airfarce.

They sit there and bad mouth Russia for possibly not hitting target properly..with no proof just probably media spinning and then they go hit a HOSPITAL.

THe ONLY reason the US military is so powerful is two things and two things ONLY....1) NUMBERS...that is all NUMBERS....and 2) TECHNOLOGY.

Their troops are fairly poorly trained, no terrible but not amazing g regardless of what their propaganda machine Hollywood and their brainwashed public would have everyone believe.


However, Well done to those who joined the military in the last 12 YEARS.....when things in life look bleak and future looks kind of unavailable....two US institutions will take you...THE MILITARY and MCDONALDS

The military are NOT what they once were. Respected and Fighting legitimate conflicts (except Vietnam obviously)

a reply to: tiredoflooking

Thankyou for speaking the truth. I've lost a lot of faith and pride in humanity today. The silence over this across the board is making me feel ill.

It's not good enough anymore.

It's clear now that we are actually the terrorists.
We are the evil in the world. And I mean us as we are allowing it to happen with our silence.

a reply to: Dimithae

Dont have fiber yet so I'm limited on my research(just my Phone)ability... Local news in germany is reporting it as a nato led air strike... Is that untrue?

I notice the way the whole 10-15 terrorists killed perspective is put out like it justifies the attack.

Medical facilities are protected under the international laws of armed conflict. Same goes for religious sites, certain key infrastructure facilities, items or buildings of historic significance etc. It doesn't matter if there are enemy combatants in it or not. Unless offensive actions are being launched from it or it is being used for another specific purpose and is flying the red cross illegally, it is not to be attacked. Even then the authorisation to attack it has to come from fairly high up the food chain. Simple really.

What happened was a war crime no matter who perpetuated it. It needs to be investigated.

a reply to: PaddyInf

If the investigation not a white wash I bet the poor pilots sacrificed as a patsy and the criminal that gave the order get away.

More that comes out about this the more im shocked.

If there were "bad" terrorists in that hospital then why not send in special ops to arrest them?
If MSF wers working in it then obviously the hospital wasnt under terrorist control?

a reply to: Irishhaf

I have not read anything about it being NATO lead,just US bombing.