Can Anyone Debunk This? Strange Anomaly over Geneva Switzerland Aug 2015- Shiva Face Cern Sept 2015

a reply to: Gothmog
"On the lighter side, do you know how impossible this would be to open any kind of portal with the energy produced by CERN (LHC)?"

1. Do YOU know what kind of energies they are producing at CERN? 2.What do you define as a portal? 3. How/why do you claim "impossibilty"?

Before I got to the part in which you pointed out exactly what you saw in the photo, I stopped the video, and studied to see if I find what it was before you said it. I made out probably five different images possible before I watched your description of what it was you saw... then continued on to make more different types of images.

I think, in that blur, one could make out just about anything. I don't feel convinced, in the least bit, of this face you claim is there.

On the other hand- the topic provoked in me thoughts on something my mind comes back to from time to time.
The subject of antimatter, and the strange automatic association I always find myself making, with our "shadow" self.

By shadow self, I refer to all our potentials of being which we reject. This world of time and space necessitates a choice between opposites- the cat cannot be both dead and alive simultaneously.. at least visibly. I cannot be both male and female, passive and aggressive, happy and sad, etc. at the same time. There are sides of wholeness that have been pushed into non-being for a long period of time (I will remain female for many years, this lifetime, I will not be a taker of life, but a giver of life for this lifetime, I will not have red hair or brown eyes..)

Some opposites rise into being and visibility alternatingly- some moments I am happy, some moments I am sad; some moments I am active, others I am passive; sometimes I destroy objects, others I create them....

So is there a part of me that lives in invisibility, that is made up of all that I am not visibly? Does my animus actually exist on some plane, doing and being all that I am not doing being here, now? If all the particles of this body have an anti-particle corresponding to it, do they mirror the same gathering and associations between each other, sticking together to form a being of antimatter?

It's non scientific nonsense, intuition based upon ignorance, but I repeatedly find my mind ignoring that condemnation and bring it up to my awareness again and again. Studying and opening the door of antimatter... would it release the two worlds to collide? Before anniliating each other, would we have a period of just being aware of each other? Of facing our shadow self- our opposite, our REAL other half?

This is what leaps to my mind each time I consider the work were doing at CERN and probably other labs. In a sense, I wonder if a portal, such as mentioned, risks being opened- to ourselves.

a reply to: Chadwickus

It is above Geneva, that did not change. The video was taken in geneva. You ignored the part that it is still within the country and 22 mins away from the center. (which could easily be cut to 11 mins away because cern covers a wise area of the city UNDERGROUND.

Which makes the location meaningless, because it is still technically Above cern.

If if someone blows a nuke 22 (or 11) mins away from you. Would you feel the result? Would the location of the impact be meaningful? Thats my point. It is still in the same area.

originally posted by: raikoh
a reply to: SoulSurfer

I have been conCERNed about what they are doing at cern for a while. However you should be careful about sources and videos regarding it. I referenced to a online PBS article in another ats thread and it turned out to be an April fools joke?! Google cern rainbow universe to see it. I didnt think it was funny because there were some other real articles that i came across last winter that i cant find now.

About the first video, i would say i am very certain it is fake. The wind sound effects and editing give it away. The video where freedomfighter talks about the face, kinda see it. But it could be pareidolia. Freefomfighter mentions how it looks like Kali, but cern has a statue of Shiva outside. Shiva and kali are related though I guess, hinduism has over a hundred million gods i heard. Point is freedomfighter is very caught up in doomism. It gets the better of his objectivity.

I actually emailed cern voicing my concerns and asking about the electromagnetic field they can generate since upgrading and they never responded! This combined with Hawkings & Neil Tyson's warnings has only left me more uneasy about it.

OP I took a look at the YT channel where you got the video. And bad news, they are another clickbait, phony video channel. Secureteam 10 is another great example of this plauge upon youtube. What they do is shop phony videos to get a lot views which they feature advertising on. They get money from yt for monetizing the video! So instead of going to work they make phony videos and spread lies.

a reply to: Bluesma

Thats exactly it!

But to explain that to people is very hard because of the spiritual implications. I am glad you picked that up, because now you are aware that it will react with the shadow self. There is something we need to "kill" within ourselves but i am not sure what it is exactly.

It seems that this connects with the wickedness or emotions of people. I call it the collective shadow. Right now though these are only theories, because im trying to find "the chain" between us and it. Why? Because I want to sever that chain once and for all.

Unfortunately, nearly everyone is connected to "it". Anyone who has narcissism traits is connected to it. Its the narcissist within us that we must do away with (on the spiritual side). But doing that...between now and when the portal fully opens... it does not look like we have alot of time.

Ive been doing shadow work for years, and even studied psychology to go deeper in depth. And it is a painful experience, but one that must be done. From my understanding, we have to put ourselves on trial and admit when we are or were wrong. Will this cut the chain?.. I don't know...the only other option I found Is Jesus, but that I do admit I have doubts on.

But if all else fails... perhaps Yah shu ah will know the way....but at this point... all i can do is post what I find and connect dots with along with what I think, we should do with regards to spirituality. However, im not 100% sure and of course, I could be wrong.

Thank you for bringing this up. Because it is actually very important to realize.

a reply to: raikoh

Awesome work man! This debunks the first video aye?

But the rest of them, though,including the cern insider, is something that should be looked at because I do feel that information is legit. But thank you for pointing this out.

a reply to: SoulSurfer

I could not sit through the entire first video...that awful parody of "music" is just too much to bear. And the ads popping up every ten seconds for online dating and other nonsense are possibly one of the biggest reasons why I prefer to read things rather than watch them online. I skipped the other two for those reasons as well, and the fact that you said they were long videos...sorry, but I don't have the patience for that.

However, CERN has been linked to many frightening things, particularly related to the LHC of late. I don't know about dark matter or wormholes, but I do know there are creatures that do not live in our dimension that would very much like to gain a real foothold here, and I know that certain types of energy can indeed accidentally open portals by which things can get in...I've witnessed it, and have been responsible for sending it back from whence it came, many times.

"Shadow" entities are a good example of this, and I have personally been attacked by two of them in my lifetime. There are no "demons" at all, but there are beings that were never meant to exist here, and they feed on human spiritual energy. And they can be invited in. They attack people in their sleep and siphon their energy, and they are nothing but parasites, but it is truly terrifying to experience contact with them. They're not very intelligent, but they are gleeful in the knowledge that they can take what they want from us, and that alone is cause for concern. I believe that they are responsible for a large majority of the SIDS deaths in infants...easy prey.

I am not seeing any resemblance to Shiva in your 2nd video, and cannot see what the first one was even based on...there was a flag on top of a building blowing in the wind and then just suddenly a random blob of blurry black fuzz? There didn't appear to be anything dark up there, so I don't get what that was supposed to be...and I started it over twice, just to make sure, but nope, just a flag and some normal looking storms clouds and then BOOM, giant blurry black whatnot right in your face. But there is definitely something that resembles a creepy visage there in the second one.

I just have serious doubts that it is Shiva...unless he is an interdimensional being rather than a corporeal one, which I suppose is possible. But he was an assimilated god...made up of many...the figure in that statue was not even what he was originally supposed to have looked like. Many gods from different sects were combined together into one representation. This is why I think it's a bit of a reach, and quite possibly why people don't tend to take things like this seriously. This is a practicing Witch telling you this, by the way.

The fact is, we don't know enough about the Universe to say definitively whether or not dark matter can allow entry to things that we would rather stayed where they belong. I am particularly amused by the notion that it would require a wormhole for anything to pop in for a visit. All it requires is intent combined with enough focused energy to manifest an opening. Anyone who practices Magick will tell you that. Wormholes are not the same thing as portals. Not by a long shot.

Are you asserting that CERN is deliberately attempting to bring otherwordly beings into our world? I am trying to understand where you're getting the fear of Shiva from too. He was a god of paradox, by which the Universe itself was created...he is both benevolent and wrathful, like the christian god has been portrayed...which makes sense; they are one and the same. Certainly not a "demon". I am curious why you said that the blob in the first video was confirmation of your worst nightmare...can you elaborate on that?

And finally, the very best way to stop a troll is to not acknowledge him/her at all. The very fact that you took the time to respond to that one at all means that you gave him/her/it exactly what was desired. I know, sometimes you've just got to let it out, but it's truly not worth it and only gives them satisfaction that they got under your skin. If this individual is truly harassing you, as you claim, I would strongly advise you to report him/her/it to the mods so that they can take measures to stop it.

originally posted by: SoulSurfer

originally posted by: nonjudgementalist
You need a new hobby

Thank you for your off topic post. Which contributes NOTHING to the open discussion other than display your own ignorance, and laziness. If you don't like my posts, don't post in it.

Problem solved. The topic is for those who are interested, Clearly you are not. To everyone else reading, please disregard this troll who has been tailing my posts in harassment.

That is all.

How have I been trailing your posts in harassment?

The videos and the premise of this thread are ludicrous.

I'm concerned you're just trolling yourself by believing these obviously fake videos.

And Shiva is NOT Lucifer.... That's like saying THOR is Moses, because tablets are made out of stone like the thors thunderhammer, and judges who make laws use hammers....

Can someone please post the photo. Thanks.

a reply to: raikoh

1. Do YOU know what kind of energies they are producing at CERN? 2.What do you define as a portal? 3. How/why do you claim "impossibilty"?

I think that is an important set of queries, there. I seem to see a lot of people who think that a portal is a physical thing, like a black hole, when it is in fact not. Perhaps some distinctions should be made to avoid this type of confusion.

a reply to: tigertatzen

And finally, the very best way to stop a troll is to not acknowledge him/her at all. The very fact that you took the time to respond to that one at all means that you gave him/her/it exactly what was desired. I know, sometimes you've just got to let it out, but it's truly not worth it and only gives them satisfaction that they got under your skin. 

 If this individual is truly harassing you, as you claim, I would strongly advise you to report him/her/it to the mods so that they can take measures to stop it.

I have never said anything to harass this member. All that happened was I commented something after reading pages of other members treating his well researched thread unfairly, and it was taken the wrong way, as I explained in detail.




This thread I may appear to be plang to role of the cynical troll, but this thread is below the level the member is capable of imo. I know we all make mistakes, but I found what was posted here so unbeleiveable that I am genuinely concerned for the members mental well-being. Hence my comment "u need a new hobby"... As in take a break and get some perspective from real life.

a reply to: SoulSurfer

It seems that this connects with the wickedness or emotions of people. I call it the collective shadow. Right now though these are only theories, because im trying to find "the chain" between us and it. Why? Because I want to sever that chain once and for all.

Unfortunately, nearly everyone is connected to "it". Anyone who has narcissism traits is connected to it. Its the narcissist within us that we must do away with (on the spiritual side).

Just going with this flight of fancy for a moment, we diverge a bit on what we feel might be "necessary" in the event of such a thing. I feel that, to the contrary, not cutting off, but embracing, is necessary. Acknowledging the urges that exist within us that we have judged "bad" and pushed into the darkness. Ending the judgment, in order to sublimate, refine, merge the conscious and unconscious, to form pure energy, instead of polarized.

What could that signify, psychologically speaking? Acknowledging even the worst possible potentials of self- being a murderer for example- it is one of my potentials of being; I am capable of that. I simply have chosen not to be/do it in this reality and time frame. A peaceful reconciliation with the rejected potentials of self seems to me to be a more desireable process of meeting?


As a side note, I have often pondered this possibility (of antimatter shadow self) in the context of many phenomena- like the "Mothman" stories, or even "aliens", or "demons".....

a reply to: tigertatzen

All it requires is intent combined with enough focused energy to manifest an opening. Anyone who practices magick will tell you that. Wormholes are not the same thing as portals. Not by a long shot.

You got me thinking something,Would fear and emotion or thought also help provide that energy if its done collectively without awareness through; lets say, emotional manipulation or peoples thoughts?

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Are you asserting that CERN is deliberately attempting to bring otherwordly beings into our world?

You mentioned you were attacked, so this makes this easier to talk about. My research was spawned because of such attacks and I wanted to know why it was/still happening. I ended up opening a can of worms instead with many findings, including the Jezebel spirit. (which has many other names, including Astarte.)

But to convey my full story, well.. i think for now I would like to keep it at things where they can be explained. But how do I know its her? ...she told me( and not in a nice way)..but I will leave it at that.

And finally, the very best way to stop a troll is to not acknowledge him/her at all. The very fact that you took the time to respond to that one at all means that you gave him/her/it exactly what was desired.

Yea, that is true, however, they also discourage people from looking into the information. My response was mostly to try and make sure he did not get his way. ATS is filled with many of them, who mostly write off topic posts and derail the topic and cause an argument. To prevent this, sometimes taking precaution and pointing them out for what they are helps readers discern from them and become aware that the person in question is not contributing to the topic.

Sadly the best way to spot these trolls is by learning psychology, and not many people do that, which is such a shame because i think it truly is a fascinating subject and skill to pick up.

a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

It looks just like one of her eyes..
Another odd coincidence..

"Her" who?? This just gets more and more difficult to follow. I thought the face was supposed to be Shiva?

originally posted by: Bluesma
a reply to: SoulSurfer

It seems that this connects with the wickedness or emotions of people. I call it the collective shadow. Right now though these are only theories, because im trying to find "the chain" between us and it. Why? Because I want to sever that chain once and for all.

Unfortunately, nearly everyone is connected to "it". Anyone who has narcissism traits is connected to it. Its the narcissist within us that we must do away with (on the spiritual side).

Just going with this flight of fancy for a moment, we diverge a bit on what we feel might be "necessary" in the event of such a thing. I feel that, to the contrary, not cutting off, but embracing, is necessary. Acknowledging the urges that exist within us that we have judged "bad" and pushed into the darkness. Ending the judgment, in order to sublimate, refine, merge the conscious and unconscious, to form pure energy, instead of polarized.

What could that signify, psychologically speaking? Acknowledging even the worst possible potentials of self- being a murderer for example- it is one of my potentials of being; I am capable of that. I simply have chosen not to be/do it in this reality and time frame. A peaceful reconciliation with the rejected potentials of self seems to me to be a more desireable process of meeting?


As a side note, I have often pondered this possibility (of antimatter shadow self) in the context of many phenomena- like the "Mothman" stories, or even "aliens", or "demons".....

This was what I originally thought too, that it was about "integration" of the shadow. Then I followed many spiritual teachings and had abnormal experiences, I later found out that many spiritual teachings lead to this being and to self worship. I ended up grabbing my entire belief system and tore it to shreds. (mostly because integration is mainstream now.) So where ever the crowd goes, I no longer follow. The only exception is Yah shu ah, but even he is on a very thin line in my book. But he has the benefit of the doubt for now because of the history I learned on the Catholics.

For now im working on myself by yes, acknowledgement but also admitting that I was wrong on many of my past actions. It has developed into a somewhat moral code and applying common sense while being able to put myself in people's shoes. (if that makes sense.)

But honestly, I don't know the way out of this mess for sure. The answer has eluded me mostly due to many information out there, that are false.

a reply to: tigertatzen

She has many names...

but i know her more as "lilith" the scarlet ******. I posted many of her names here, but they are essentially the same being worldwide which similar (if not the same) characteristics. Its described as female but in reality it has no gender. It is an "it".

Click for list of names

originally posted by: SoulSurfer

But honestly, I don't know the way out of this mess for sure. The answer has eluded me mostly due to many information out there, that are false.

Ohh yeah.... trying to evolve spiritually and psychologically through others is a bad idea in my opinion. If ever there is a time to stay away from exterior sources of teaching, that is one. A time in the desert, to discover your own depths and guidance is a beneficial thing, in my experience!

When you come back, you'll probably find that what you found has also been found by others already- but that would have no benefit to you if you didn't experience the journey and find it within first. But don't trust my word on it. I am an ignorant stranger- only you can find your truth of being.

Maybe doing away with names would be a good start though? This concept you seek to understand- you perceive it as a "she"- though she has many names. Maybe she has none? Maybe she is all that you are not....consciously....

You have studied psychology, you say? So... you are familiar with our very first encounter with the concept of "other" or "not I" is the mother?
A female? No wonder then, that the "not I" or "not us" (on a collective scale) repeatedly takes on the feminine nuance. The anti-narcissist will always be projected as female.

a reply to: SoulSurfer

You got me thinking something,Would fear and emotion or thought also help provide that energy if its done collectively without awareness through; lets say, emotional manipulation or peoples thoughts?

Without question. Fear generates negative energy, or for this discussion's purpose, a DARK energy. It is the very thing that causes curses/hexes to be so effective.

You mentioned you were attacked, so this makes this easier to talk about. My research was spawned because of such attacks and I wanted to know why it was/still happening. I ended up opening a can of worms instead with many findings, including the Jezebel spirit. (which has many other names, including Astarte.)

But to convey my full story, well.. i think for now I would like to keep it at things where they can be explained. But how do I know its her? ...she told me( and not in a nice way)..but I will leave it at that.

Here is another piece of advice. And I am quite serious about this. You state that you've done "shadow work"...I don't know what that means, but if you are deliberately communicating with things on the other side of the veil, I would strongly caution you to observe certain precautions.

One of the cardinal rules in occult practices is that you do not, under any circumstances, speak aloud (and especially write) the name of any being unless you intend to invoke that being. It is concerning to me that you have not only said her name, but in such a way that indicates a level familiarity with her.

To say her name is to invite her to play, and that is not wise in the least. You also may very likely be communicating with something that is leading you to believe it is something it is not, and that is a very common mistake that people make when dabbling in the occult. Some doors are easily opened, but very difficult to close, and there are many things that it is inadvisable to mess with when you are alone.

And before you assure me that you've got it handled, remember also that negative energies can instill a false sense of confidence, and often, that is the first task they complete upon making contact with a person. They lull you into believing that you will not be harmed. The biggest problem is that they won't go after you. They'll go after people you care about, your pets, your children...because that is the very best way to assume control over you.

Also, keep in mind that when you open that door, you are doing the very thing that you are accusing the scientists at CERN of attempting to do...without the benefit of the resources that an organization like theirs has access to in case they take it too far.

Pandora's box can come in very small, seemingly innocuous packages too. If you have been threatened, attacked, or in any way subjected to negative interference by an otherworldly being (as you alluded to), you have opened a door. And once you've done it, it stays open until someone who knows how can close it...and while it's open, all of the little ghouls and goblins and things of nightmares can come right on in, and they will spread out everywhere. Like letting a busload of children loose into a candy shop. And some of these things have the capability to hurt people very badly, or worse.

People do it all the time with Witchboards and it has cost them their sanity, and in many cases, their lives and the lives of everyone they care about. I cannot stress that enough. Stop saying her name, and unless you have proper training (and I don't mean book knowledge either), don't make contact with anything...especially inside your own home. If you have, I would strongly advise you to seek a professional to cleanse your dwelling immediately, and take any literature, notes, images and any other pertinent material out of your home/office and dispose of it as far away from your home as possible.

As for the trolling, I promise you...most of us have been here for a long time and are quite adept at spotting the trolls without anyone having pointed them out. They're never original, so it's pretty obvious most of the time.

Please, please be careful...I would hate to see something bad happen to you or someone else because you opened the wrong door.

Geez the insanity in this thread

You do realize that CERN is tearing our timeline apart causing the past and future to interract with each other more and more until it causes everything to collapse on itself causing our demise.

I have seen first hand proof of time itself being bent with people who are long gone showing up again and your own younger brother showing up in a younger state even tho hes still alive which was trippy in a way to see . Also nice to be able to talk to some relatives who have passed about 15 years ago and those you were never ment to know because they were your grandparents parents and have a conversation with them for atleast 20 to 30 seconds before time itself takes them away again. In a way ......we are in big trouble :O