Obama: Mass shootings are 'something we should politicize'

a reply to: KingIcarus

It makes sense when it comes to his personal views and fascination with the Irish Republican Army and why he was asking people about their religion.

a reply to: neo96

How would one expect to control the flow of guns in Chicago when the neighbours all have them..it's not possible to control in that situation.

originally posted by: neo96

originally posted by: KingIcarus
a reply to: neo96

And what does being half Brit/half American have to do with anything? Brit father, I understand... moved to America aged four.

Did we radicalise him, or something? Are most of your shooters British in origin?

IT means 'crazy' got imported.

You are aware that absolutely every non-native element of America is imported, right?

As in every bit of it.

a reply to: vonclod

Trust me is some cities in some states in the US, that if you are a law abiding citizen you need a gun, for your safety, Chicago is one of them.

a reply to: marg6043

It's a sad situation..I feel for the people there trying to raise their children.

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: KingIcarus

It makes sense when it comes to his personal views and fascination with the Irish Republican Army and why he was asking people about their religion.

The IRA is very interesting on here, and when talking to Americans in general. A lot of Americans think they have some connection to the 'old country' for reasons X, Y or Z. They've universally no idea what they're talking about... like truly so. They're humoured at best. Similar things are evident with 'Scottish-Americans'. It's like talking to a child.

Perhaps you lot should do some research.

a reply to: vonclod

Chicago have many issues, dirty politicians and a lot of poverty, so sad that it used to be a thriving state after the prohibition, but even during that time in our history, it was very well known for is violence.

originally posted by: KingIcarus

originally posted by: neo96

originally posted by: KingIcarus
a reply to: neo96

And what does being half Brit/half American have to do with anything? Brit father, I understand... moved to America aged four.

Did we radicalise him, or something? Are most of your shooters British in origin?

IT means 'crazy' got imported.

You are aware that absolutely every non-native element of America is imported, right?

As in every bit of it.

Sure am.

Most American hail form Europe.

And Europeans sure do like to look down on Americans.

When the TRUTH is.

They are looking down on themselves.

a reply to: KingIcarus

I will, still my husband's ancestry is from the old world his great, great, grandfather migrated to the US from Liverpool England. but my husband holds not ties with his ancestors anymore.

I think we may find some more information about the Young man mass murderer in the coming weeks and why he was so fascinated with the Irish republican Army.

Me I am Puerto Rican, so all I know is my ancient ancestry dated back to Spain and the history of my name, before the moor invasion, then again my mother's father was Italian/Greek so I have that other side too.

All I know about the IRA is about their religious fight, if that is correct.

a reply to: neo96

With the greatest of respect, mate, I'm looking down on post-European people who don't think that nearly 1,000 mass murder incidents since November 2012 isn't worth a little critical thought.

No other developed nation is clocking up numbers like that. I'm not sure any undeveloped nation is either.

It's no issue though. Crack on.

originally posted by: KingIcarus
a reply to: neo96

With the greatest of respect, mate, I'm looking down on post-European people who don't think that nearly 1,000 mass murder incidents since November 2012 isn't worth a little critical thought.

No other developed nation is clocking up numbers like that. I'm not sure any undeveloped nation is either.

It's no issue though. Crack on.

Who doesn't think it is worth a little critical thought? Just because somebody is not buying into the rhetoric that it is the fault of too many guns doesn't mean they are not doing some critical thought about it.

originally posted by: marg6043
Why is not working? because at state level we have loopholes, the Gun manufacturers lobbyist along with the gun sellers are very good at paying off those that they can to keep them for looking to the other side when it comes to whom can buy guns in America.

I'm going to have to disagree a bit. Its not so much the gun industry that's the root of the problem in that instance. Its the combination of the legal system and the healthcare system. Specifically, the privacy laws surrounding mental health treatment are causing some of these idiots to not be reported into the NICS system. I think this was supposedly addressed with one of administration's executive orders a while back, but still appears to be a problem. People who should be in the system are falling through the cracks.

On a related note, this leads me into one legal change that I'd be more than happy to support. All those 'prohibited' people who attempt to buy yearly...start actually prosecuting them (its already illegal). Every single one of them. And as for that change in law, double the time they currently get to stay in 'federal accommodations', and make the sentence mandatory with no parole.

a reply to: KingIcarus

Yeah well 'mate'.

Murder is already against the law.

What do you want ?

More laws made that hold people who commit NO CRIMES be held accountable for it ?

a reply to: neo96

I don't want anything. I just think you lot should really, really have a think about why this happens in America with such alarming frequency.

Maybe guns aren't the problem, I genuinely don't know, but they're the only true variable between your country and all the other first world places where this doesn't happen 1,000 times in three years.

a reply to: KingIcarus

Oh it happens because of the break down of the family unit.

Two parent homes, and all that where GOD isn't a dirty word.

As the country has become more secular,and has replace the family unit with the STATE as mommy, and daddy.

What do people think was going to happen?

It's not about things.

It's about a BALANCED up bringing.

a reply to: KingIcarus

Don't mistake a difference in opinion on the subject of firearms for a lack of consideration of the violent crime/homicide issue or that of these mass shootings.

Speaking for myself, the statistics lead me to believe that firearms are not the true issue, but rather some underlying social or cultural problem. We've actually had a significant reduction in the overall homicide rate over the last couple of decades, while, at the same time, we've seen widespread passage of concealed carry laws, 'assault rifles' have gone from being a niche product to the most popular rifle platform, and sales of firearms overall have jumped dramatically. We have over 20 million NICS checks each year and this year appears to be another record.

So for me, I have to weigh all of that, plus an installed base of an estimated 100 million legal gun owners and three times as many firearms, against ~10,000 yearly firearm-related homicides and supposedly 300 yearly 'mass shootings' (whoever came up with that...I'm skeptical; I'm going to have to research that further). If all of these other 100 million people can own their firearms safely and responsibly...and from long term data, we know that's generally the case...then the problem most likely isn't the guns.

The problem is something inherent to the people themselves perpetrating these acts. I don't know what that thing is, but I'm virtually certain that we can ban firearms all day and pass all the gun control we want, but that doesn't solve the underlying problem of what causes these people to act in this manner. All we've really done is try to sweep the problem under the rug, all the while patting ourselves on the back for a job poorly done.

Its not an easy problem and I certainly don't know the answer to it. I think you can reduce the overall homicides by cracking down on gang and other associated criminal activity in the inner cities IF you can keep the lawyers from descending like vultures to sue the city/state governments into oblivion for doing it. The mass shootings? We could probably do more to ensure that people are reported into the NICS system, but the difficult truth is that, when the system running checks 20 million times a year, its virtually inevitable that a handful of nutters are going to slip through. Practically speaking, I don't know what you can do about that while at the same time respecting the rights of the law abiding citizens AND maintaining the principles of due process and personal privacy that this country was founded upon. For me, the issue, therefore, is deeper than just the gun rights, and says something of whether we're a nation that stands up and supports what we believe in and supports the individual rights of our citizens, even in the face of adversity, or are we one that abandons our principles, gives up our rights and tries to take the easy out when we're faced with a serious challenge? I want to live in the former, not the latter.

a reply to: vonclod

The "flow" of guns is a symptom, not root problem.

Root problem is revolving door for criminals in/out of prison.

Revolving door exists due plea bargaining away mandatory 5-10 Federal prison time for lessor guilty pleas. Criminals know this, prosecutors love it because it pads conviction rates.

If Obama was serious at all rather than agenda driven he'd issue an E.O. to DOJ to stop pleas on firearm charges - no new law needed!

This won't stop lone wolf but sure would go long ways in Chicago.

Maybe this was a suicide attack.

BOMBSHELL: Oregon Gunman’s Social Network Found… Media Silent Because Of This HUGE Detail

a reply to: Phoenix

Agreed completely. That is an enormous problem in our current legal system. And you're absolutely right. People who get thrown in prison for committing a felony while in physical possession of a firearm should be subject to long term mandatory sentencing with no plea deals and no parole.

a reply to: xuenchen

Well, well, well that is a peach of information, what can I say, hell I wonder when Obama is coming into to the news to make another speech.

Common Obama, I want to hear your next speech.