Obama: Mass shootings are 'something we should politicize'

I will reiterate my post from the closed thread
From the pictures released it does look to me like an "everyday school shooting" as opposed to the tight lipped no photos lack lustres false flag scenarios full of holes coincidences and lies........ so far

It seems to me, as an outsider, that the US Government has actually no faith in its own system of democracy or its people and has no qualms about killing its own people to pass laws & legislation rather than letting the people or even the Senate decide through democratic process. And yet, this is the country attempting to force this Democracy onto other countries which is so at odds with the US Governments own actions

AS far as the US Government goes, If you don't trust or utilise your own democratic process what gives you the right to impose it on others as "the way to go"?
Not casting aspersions on the American people here at all btw

a reply to: FreeQuebec86

The problems is the guns that fire MANY and FAST bullet. Like Semi-automactic AR. Handgun with modifie mag etc.

These are guns for killing humans, not hunting xD And you know it.

1. You have no idea what you're talking about. I'll bet you sound ignorant even in Québécois.

2. The Second Amendment isn't about hunting.

3. If 3000 people own guns and 1 person murders people with his, does that make the other 2999 guilty?


I'm tired of having to defend my innocence to collectivist idiots who know so little of what they speak.

originally posted by: projectvxn

3. If 3000 people own guns and 1 person murders people with his, does that make the other 2999 guilty?

Of course not - but if those guns are used to commit murder after murder, month after month, year after year, then it is an entirely legitimate question to ask whether those guns make anyone safer.

a reply to: KingIcarus

There are roughly 110 million gun owners estimated in the US.

That's roughly 1/3 rd of the US population. Those are the ones we know about based on several factors. Like NICS data.

Statically speaking gun owners are more law abiding than police.

Blaming *things* for human problems is lazy and stupid.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
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People certainly do change. Just 250 years ago we owned slaves in this country and it was fairly normal for people to consider a black person "less of a person".

Women got the right to vote, and interracial couples can now marry. People's attitudes on these issues have changed, people's morals and beliefs have changed.

And many of those changes happened because of the U.S. Constitution. People interpreted the Constitution as not including women, or blacks, or NA, but it was people's interpretation. The FF were also already debating these issues even among some of those who owned slaves, which in part is why the Constitution of the U.S. never said it doesn't apply to blacks, or NA or to women.

In 1780 Pennsylvania and Massachusetts abolished slavery. In 1774 Benjamin Franklin and Benjamin Rush founded America's first antislavery society. Meanwhile "some" of the founding fathers wanted to keep slavery, the majority didn't.

The U.S. Constitution was, and is meant for ALL Americans, including women, blacks, NA, and everyone in between.

The second Amendment was put in place to protect all other rights, and to protect life if the need ever arises.

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

More US citizens killed in mass shootings since 9/11 than by terrorists.

One results in no action, the other resulted in invading two countries and spending trillions.

That is everything that's wrong with American politics right there, in a nutshell.

Not going to argue with anyone here. It would be pointless.

Knocking Obama for taking a stand here simply shows an arrogance and an unwillingness to think.

How many people are going to die next time I wonder?

ETA - some people need to look up the meaning of the word amendment.

originally posted by: projectvxn


Blaming *things* for human problems is lazy and stupid.

I agree, but it's also lazy and stupid to blame people but ignore the only other constant factor - guns. These mass-casualty, random target events are almost always perpetrated using them.

In any event - if we go down the route of not blaming the 'thing', why is there so little focus on the person? What made him do this? Why does a young adult in the richest country in the world feel moved to kill like this? Why does this happen so much in America and not in other developed countries? What made this idiot think his fellow Americans were worth so little that they could be killed for his notoriety?

No-one seems interested in any of that. It's easier to dismiss him as a basement-dwelling pus*y. It seems that America is happier to stare into the barrel of a gun than look for the cracks in it's society that foster the hate. That way madness lies, I'm afraid.

Four shot dead (including the gunman) in Inglis, Florida too.

996th fatal mass shooting since Obama's re-election in 2012. No wonder he's pissed.

Our thoughts and prayers are not enough is right.

Why isn't Congress investigating the root cause of this epidemic of so many deaths with as much zeal as they investigate Benghazi, which caused 4 line-of-duty deaths?



Why is the same Congress spending almost all your tax money in fighting terror that causes less deaths?





Is your paranoia about the government and your well-armed militia.worth this? Those tyrants you fear are already quite heavily armed, so good luck against the drones and tanks and fighter jets you also support funds for.



We are waaaaaaay past this point. And at what cost?

a reply to: ketsuko

I don't think it's convenient that people made them shoot people, but that "hey, I'm done, I'm going to do this horrible thing, where can I do the most damage and get on TV"

Well Obama politicians these, only boast the coverage and scope.

Shame on him twice for feeding these sick people and for taking advantage of people's tragedies

My impression of this speech was that he was there ONLY to talk about gun control. That was his agenda. Dead people are simply a means to an end for Obama. And while I won't label all the progressives and liberals into this group...the end ALWAYS justifies the means. It doesn't matter who dies, is financially destroyed, etc...so long as their agenda is in tact, no one and nothing else matters. To these individuals...we are simply livestock.

Mr. President, kindly step down. You don't represent the people. You represent an agenda.

a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

You're looking forward to the next mass shooting then?

a reply to: neformore

People are dying in America everyday by the thousand, hundred of thousand do to arrogance of the corporate entities running this countries, prescribed drugs kill more people than guns every day, actually is the number one killer right now in the US, do you see Obama the magnificent talking about doing something about it? you know why? because is not part of his agenda and because the US is the most medicated nation in the world and the profits benefit all the politirats in Washington, the numbers of deaths are usually sugar coated and the FDA doesn't monitor the numbers.

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a reply to: marg6043

So...let me get this straight

Because you hate the guy with a passion, you'd rather see more people die from gun incidents than actually stop, think and consider the problem by trying to play off one concern with a strawman argument about another topic?

originally posted by: KingIcarus
In any event - if we go down the route of not blaming the 'thing', why is there so little focus on the person? What made him do this? Why does a young adult in the richest country in the world feel moved to kill like this? Why does this happen so much in America and not in other developed countries? What made this idiot think his fellow Americans were worth so little that they could be killed for his notoriety?

Talk to the media. Talk to this president. They're the ones driving the narrative to shift the focus away from the perpetrator and onto an inanimate object. I absolutely agree with the idea that the focus needs to be on the idiots who commit these acts and the behavioral issues they have that drive them to do it. You can ban the damned gun, but that's not addressing the underlying problem that sparks these people to their acts of violence at all.

a reply to: neformore

No, neformore, I don't hate the man, he is just that a man, in a position of power that he took and that actually the only power he have is the one he uses with his pen in the name of presidential executives.

I see the hypocrisy of the political system we have, the government doesn't care about lives, they do not care about anything that is not approved by the agendas behind the money pushers in the nation, money talks and crap walks.

We have over 2 million people dying every year from drug related illnesses, without counting those that treatments leave disable and critical, when the numbers are broken down most of the deaths are claimed to be from existing conditions and only rarely are blamed on the kind of treatment people gets or the drugs and overdoses.

The hypocrisy, nobody counts that children are among the casualties of for profits medications and neither Obama the magnificent or any other politirats comes forward ever to tell what he or she will be doing to stop unnecessary deaths, like they promise to do with guns.

The media is very interesting, they only follow the latest agendas, do you see any media telling how many people including children are dying every day due to big pharma? no, because is not important. guns are.

Is nothing wrong with been passionate about what you believe is right or wrong, but no be blinded by it, because the agendas behind anything the government does usually never ends benefiting the people and you know that.

When I was 20 I lost one my favorite uncles to gun violence in Puertorico, it was an unnecessary death, actually the trial of his death was one of the most publicized death in the early 80s in the Island because the verdict of his wife that was behind the killing was read on a mothers day, so it made the headlines news that year.

originally posted by: neo96

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: luthier

No it isn't complicated.

The Bill of RIghts is clearly spelled out.

No it isn't and its been debated in the court.

The Scotus is about the most cognitive dissonant thing there is in this country.[/quote

Unless they agree with your point of view right?

a reply to: marg6043

Ok. So you'd rather bleat on about the system than change things.

How about actually addressing the issue of gun violence instead of coming up with reasons to talk about other things?

a reply to: neo96

These shooter only want one thing. Notoriety! I, as president, promise to give them what they want! EVERY. SINGLE. TIME!!!

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: neo96

Especially when so many of them end up with dead shooters. I think only James Holmes has come out alive.

I found it odd that Lester Flanagan had a typewritten suicide note he faxed to ABC News, then he took off in a rental car with a wig like he intended to escape. He killed himself only when caught.

But sometime during the hours in between he managed to edit the video he took of the shooting before he posted it online.

Almost seemed like something happened with the video and he had to hold off on his suicide plans until he edited the video first. Which begs the question -- where did he go to edit it? No laptop was recovered from the rental car.

With so many questions unanswered, it's vile to politicize shootings like his.