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Sorry but I'm not overly impressed. I already read a few of those pages.

Yes Jacobs seems to go to quickly in certain cases, for instance when he tells the person under hypnosis what is happening to them. He says he knows what's happening to them because he has seen it before. I agree that that is unprofessional and that he should not have done that, no matter how convinced he was based on many other sessions he had done.

When it comes to the panty and the chastity belt issue, I'm not overly impressed either. If this woman contacts Jacobs and keeps telling him about certain sexual encounters I can understand why he might want to get her panties. In a regular rape case, detectives would love that type of evidence as well. But on the UFOtrail website it's presented as if he's some dirty old man for asking the woman to send the panties. But how old are we here, twelve? Who cares if Jacobs is talking about panties and chastity belts, when the woman is talking about unwanted sexual encounters. I don't find that very odd.

And why is Budd Hopkins wife now suddenly breaking her silence? This woman edited his books, co-authored a book, participated in case, made footage for documentaries and now suddenly she's complaining about the methods that were used?

And the person writing the blog UFOTrail, he doesn't come across as the best researcher either. He's not all that bad, but I'm not overly impressed. He's no Richard Dolan.

All in all, my impression is that Jacobs should have done certain things differently and that he has abandoned the correct procedures during hypnotic regression at times. He seems to be trying to be more than he actually is. He wants to research possible DNA evidence with the best intentions, but seems to be making a half-assed effort trying to do most of this work himself.

And the whole Emma Woods case right now seems like a lot of talk and accusations but in the end no clear conclusions. I've read Jacobs' reply to the case and I find him convincing.

Then there's these researchers commenting on the practices of Hopkins and Jacobs, but when are these scientists going to do some serious research themselves?

I agree with you that the only one that so far really has contributed something in a fully professional manner, is John E. Mack.

a reply to: Neill887

Sorry but I'm not overly impressed.

oh? I thought you just wanted evidence that Jacobs was an idiot.

originally posted by: ZetaRediculian
a reply to: Neill887

Sorry but I'm not overly impressed.

oh? I thought you just wanted evidence that Jacobs was an idiot.

You have already made your mind up. You seem to have a very black and white view of things.

The sort of people I like to listen to when it comes to these subjects, don't use words like "idiot". That's a red flag. Next time try to be more nuanced and use words like "misled", "unprofessional", "well-meaning but misses a few things". Those descriptions of Jacobs I could understand.

originally posted by: Neill887

originally posted by: ZetaRediculian
a reply to: Neill887

Sorry but I'm not overly impressed.

oh? I thought you just wanted evidence that Jacobs was an idiot.

You have already made your mind up. You seem to have a very black and white view of things.

The sort of people I like to listen to when it comes to these subjects, don't use words like "idiot". That's a red flag. Next time try to be more nuanced and use words like "misled", "unprofessional", "well-meaning but misses a few things". Those descriptions of Jacobs I could understand.

Jacobs is an idiot and so are the people that buy this moronish nonsense. I will try harder to impress you next time.

but here is your original request

I've heard a number of claims about Jacobs, but I haven't been able to find any good information concerning those claims.
...Please, when you talk about Jacobs' collecting panties give me a good source.

I am sure I provided enough information to satisfy your ignorance on the matter?

originally posted by: ZetaRediculian

I've heard a number of claims about Jacobs, but I haven't been able to find any good information concerning those claims.
...Please, when you talk about Jacobs' collecting panties give me a good source.

I am sure I provided enough information.

You have provided the information about Jacobs' asking for panties, but you forgot to mention the context in which the request was made.

You and I are not going to see eye to eye on this subject, so let's both stop wasting our energy.

originally posted by: Neill887

originally posted by: ZetaRediculian

I've heard a number of claims about Jacobs, but I haven't been able to find any good information concerning those claims.
...Please, when you talk about Jacobs' collecting panties give me a good source.

I am sure I provided enough information.

You have provided the information about Jacobs' asking for panties, but you forgot to mention the context in which the request was made..

Hey, if you want to provide the "context" go knock yourself out.

You and I are not going to see eye to eye on this subject, so let's both stop wasting our energy

Not so fast. I told you I didn't want to get into it but now I got into it. Oh well. Now how about you provide me with some links that vindicates Jacobs? How about some links documenting the actual evidence for any of his claims? How about any document or study that shows that there is evidence for "recovered" memories under hypnosis or any other means? Not to worry, impressing me is not a requirement.

originally posted by: Neill887

originally posted by: ZetaRediculian

I've heard a number of claims about Jacobs, but I haven't been able to find any good information concerning those claims.
...Please, when you talk about Jacobs' collecting panties give me a good source.

I am sure I provided enough information.

You have provided the information about Jacobs' asking for panties, but you forgot to mention the context in which the request was made.

You and I are not going to see eye to eye on this subject, so let's both stop wasting our energy.

I'm also interested to hear the context in which this would be construed as a "well meaning but misled" psychoanalytical technique. That's certainly not how most people would describe it. Perhaps it's your mind that's already made up.

a reply to: draknoir2
here is some more web.archive.org...://www.ufoalienabductee.com/david-jacobs-audio-clips.html

link wont work
scroll about half way down here www.paranormalwaypoint.com...

a reply to: ZetaRediculian

www.paranormalwaypoint.com...

I'm not impressed.

Mostly I'm creeped out.

originally posted by: draknoir2

I'm also interested to hear the context in which this would be construed as a "well meaning but misled" psychoanalytical technique. That's certainly not how most people would describe it. Perhaps it's your mind that's already made up.

Jacobs is researching the phenomenon and is contacted by a woman who claims to be having sexual encounters with aliens or hybrids. She claims this has happened more than once. Now how are you going to proof such a thing? A DNA analysis of semen could maybe help.

When someone is raped and killed, the first thing detectives do is look for semen to have the DNA analyzed. Or are the detectives a bunch of perverts?

originally posted by: draknoir2
a reply to: ZetaRediculian

www.paranormalwaypoint.com...

I'm not impressed.

Mostly I'm creeped out.

If Jacobs is such a pervert, why would he be asking if the hybrid/alien has bodily hair and if the woman under hypnosis can see the face?

If he is such a pervert he could have asked some more exciting questions to get off on.

a reply to: Neill887

Jacobs is researching the phenomenon and is contacted by a woman who claims to be having sexual encounters with aliens or hybrids. She claims this has happened more than once. Now how are you going to proof such a thing? A DNA analysis of semen could maybe help.

Wrong. Jacobs led her and "recovered" her memory. As outlined by this very unimpressive article:
ufotrail.blogspot.com...

The following clip was featured on Paranormal Waypoint and contains details of a telephone hypnosis session between Jacobs and Woods. While Woods largely repeated that she was unsure of the circumstances and often replied, "I don't know," to Jacobs' questions, a scenario was nonetheless constructed in which she was aboard an alien craft. One unclear circumstance at a time, the Jacobs-led conversation progressed to Woods envisioning herself surrounded by beings. Around the eight-minute mark, the following statements were made:

Jacobs: Well, I'm just wondering if maybe they put him on top of you, basically.

Woods: Maybe. Yeah, I think so.

Jacobs: And I know that once again I'm leading you here so you have to be careful, and I understand I'm leading you, and you should understand that too. Okay, now I'm going to ask you a series of questions here and when you answer these questions, when you understand what's happening here, you will - it's not that there's going to be a revelation, but you're going to understand what's going on here and it's not what ya think. How's that for something odd?

Jacobs then proceeded to create, nearly completely independently of Woods' statements, a scenario in which she was allegedly forced to have sex with what Jacobs described as another abductee.

"He's just some guy," Jacobs told the woman, "he's some, he's some guy that they got. You know, he's an abductee. It's happened to him all his life, and, uhm, he's just as much a victim in the situation as you are. They put him on you, he does his business. What happens - when you get a sense that he is about to ejaculate, what happens to him? What do they do with him?"

Woods then told Jacobs that she did not think the man ejaculated. "I don't think he does," she explained, adding that she did not have a very strong visual sense of the situation and that the described scenario may be wrong.

When someone is raped and killed, the first thing detectives do is look for semen to have the DNA analyzed.

yes, evidence follows a chain of custody. Not so with Jacobs apparently.

"I have taken material for analysis to various DNA testing places. They had negative results. There wasn't enough of it or they couldn't tell what it was – that sort of thing.”

“Are these tests available for the public to review?”

“Not yet.”

“Will they be?”

“I don't know. One I did many years ago at a local lab in Delaware. Another one was done by American Testing Institute in New York City – American Chemical? I can't remember the name of it now. That was also many years ago – about brown stains that people have; that's routinely there. I had another one done for a TV show..."

a reply to: Neill887

Yeah, I'm sure that was another of his areas of expertise.


Amateur gynecology and DNA analysis.

originally posted by: Neill887

originally posted by: draknoir2
a reply to: ZetaRediculian

www.paranormalwaypoint.com...

I'm not impressed.

Mostly I'm creeped out.

If Jacobs is such a pervert, why would he be asking if the hybrid/alien has bodily hair and if the woman under hypnosis can see the face?

If he is such a pervert he could have asked some more exciting questions to get off on.

I never said "pervert".

But you did... twice.

a reply to: Neill887

If Jacobs is such a pervert, why would he be asking if the hybrid/alien has bodily hair and if the woman under hypnosis can see the face?

He obviously has an alien-hybrid rape fantasy that he is leading someone to "remember". Kind of obvious considering the lack of content provided by the subject. It all comes from Jacobs. Honestly, Jacobs wouldn't last a day if there was any sort of formal inquiry into this.

Can you find any clip where the subject recalls any sexual encounter with aliens on her own? I think Jacobs had the audio available too at some point but removed them because....well, just because.

originally posted by: ZetaRediculian

Not so fast. I told you I didn't want to get into it but now I got into it.

No you didn't. You copy/pasted some links.

Oh well. Now how about you provide me with some links that vindicates Jacobs? How about some links documenting the actual evidence for any of his claims? How about any document or study that shows that there is evidence for "recovered" memories under hypnosis or any other means? Not to worry, impressing me is not a requirement.

And I will have to admit that I haven't read any of David Jacobs' published papers, but I also haven't heard any skeptics talk about his papers. All I'm hearing is a lot of talk on his character by the skeptics.

He is being taken seriously by MUFON and researchers with Ph.Ds and I personally believe he's an intelligent down to earth person that has no other agenda. I base this on having listened to a couple of his lectures. Do I have absolute proof for this? No.

I've listened to a few of his talks and he seems to be knowing what he is doing when it comes to his abduction research. He has openly admitted he has made mistakes and that it took him time to find the right methodology.

Now you and I both don't know whether Jacobs' total body of work is all nonsense or that he did do a good job, with some mistakes on the way. We both have not listened to ALL of his recordings of over 1000 sessions.

Here is some more information to be found on Jacobs that will show the other side of the story:

www.ufoevidence.org...

When looking at his book "Secret Life: Firsthand Accounts of UFO Abductions", have there been any skeptics that have done a thorough review of this book? You must know a few since you're so outspoken on Jacobs and his work.

And since you know so much about Jacobs, can you enlighten me a bit more about this?

Finally, Dr. Jacobs is a strong advocate of strict scientific and ethical research methodology. With colleagues Budd Hopkins and John Carpenter, he has given a series of workshops for members of the mental health community in the methods of abduction hypnosis, research, and therapy. In recent years he has concentrated on ascertaining the proper methodological techniques for the hypnosis and therapy of abductees. Hopkins' and Jacobs' revised "Suggestions for Hypnosis and Therapy of Abductees" was originally published in 1994. At present Dr. Jacobs is currently working on a book about the methodology of hypnosis of abductees.

www.ufoabduction.com...

There must be a #load of negative comments coming from these workshops, since Jacobs is an idiot with moronic ideas as you so eloquently put it.

Here you will see there are some intelligent people that hold Jacobs' and his work in high regard:
debunkingskeptics.com...

Now let's stop having this discussion because all you and I can do in the end, is post links to webpages that support our own views.

originally posted by: ZetaRediculian
a reply to: Neill887

If Jacobs is such a pervert, why would he be asking if the hybrid/alien has bodily hair and if the woman under hypnosis can see the face?

He obviously has an alien-hybrid rape fantasy that he is leading someone to "remember". Kind of obvious considering the lack of content provided by the subject. It all comes from Jacobs. Honestly, Jacobs wouldn't last a day if there was any sort of formal inquiry into this.

Can you find any clip where the subject recalls any sexual encounter with aliens on her own? I think Jacobs had the audio available too at some point but removed them because....well, just because.

If that's so obvious, there must some peer-reviewed articles on Jacobs' work because he has actually published papers. These peer-reviewed articles must clearly show Jacobs is a pervert with alien rape fantasies. But all you did was post some links, most of them to a questionable UFO website. Good job.

a reply to: Neill887

And I will have to admit that I haven't read any of David Jacobs' published papers, but I also haven't heard any skeptics talk about his papers. All I'm hearing is a lot of talk on his character by the skeptics.

First you have to find a published paper and then I will be happy to comment on it.

originally posted by: ZetaRediculian
a reply to: Neill887

And I will have to admit that I haven't read any of David Jacobs' published papers, but I also haven't heard any skeptics talk about his papers. All I'm hearing is a lot of talk on his character by the skeptics.

First you have to find a published paper and then I will be happy to comment on it.

Oh wow! You didn't know about the papers that he has published, but still you have a very outspoken opinion on the man, calling him an idiot and a moron with alien-rape fantasies! And you got all of your knowledge from questionable sources. Well done.

Next!

a reply to: Neill887

If that's so obvious, there must some peer-reviewed articles on Jacobs' work because he has actually published papers. These peer-reviewed articles must clearly show Jacobs is a pervert with alien rape fantasies.

I think he had something on the history of UFOs...nothing on his alien hybrid bull crap.

But all you did was post some links to a questionable UFO website. Good job.

and you have provided....nothing.