Cecile Richards admits that 86% of Planned Parenthood’s (non-government revenue) is from abortions

a reply to: Willtell

but, it wasn't a reason to deny the banks their bailouts, or even try to control how that money was spent....
it's not a reason to use the contracts that are made with insurance companies to handle the medicaid and chips, obama care insurances as leverage to convince the insurance companies to use those salaries to drive down the cost of the insurance so people could get it without the subsidies...

but, it's a reason to defund planned parenthood?

you ever read the hobby lobby ruling? one of the reasons why the courts sided with hobby lobby was that the gov't had an alternative method of getting birth control coverage to their employees, they specifically mentioned the title x funds as an alternative method. so first they take away the coverage for many women to protect corporation's right to religion.... then they go after the title x money....citing that there are alternatives to planned parenthood..
I'm sorry, but by what I've seen on my country website, the services offered by our community health clinic fall far short of those being offered at the planned parenthoods! and, I don't really see many other alternatives in my area.

And, nursing homes may provide care for medicaid patients, but women can't get a pap smear from one after a brief visit with granny. And no women would appreciate her cosmetic surgeon giving her a breast examination while she's out cold in surgery! Dentist, by the way aren't really qualified to prescribe birth control pills to women either!!

www.dailykos.com...

out of the 2000 suitable replacements that the state of louisiana claimed could substitute for planned parenthood, that included cosmetic surgeons, nursing homes, eye doctors, and dentists among other obvious non-providers of family planning services and women's reproductive care, only 29 were left standing after the state was forced to revise it!
After that republican fiasco, why on earth would I buy the federal legislatures claims of all these other places just willing and able to fill in the gap that an absent planned parenthood would provide?

BREAKING NEWS

Head of Planned Parenthood admits what everyone already knew!

Sounds different when you don't try and spin it.

a reply to: xuenchen

TWITCHY. That's your source????

What happened, did your tea leaves or chicken bones get eaten by mistake????

Then you claim it's not your place to speculate.

I had no idea credibility could fall below zero. But you have done it. Congrats.

Just out of morbid curiously....

Who exactly takes responsibility for the tsunami of teen pregnancies when the right wing FINALLY manages to defund women's health care?

I'll tell you who it won't be! The same people fighting against Planned Parenthood now!

Maybe Jesus will send down some funding?

So 86 percent of non-government funds from abortions. 86 percent. non-government funds. So 14 percent private donations and other services.

OK.

What is the percentage of government funds from abortions. ZERO. BY LAW. Actually by MANY LAWS because Congress just can't get enough of a something they think says "hey look at me".

So the important question then is, what is the percentage of those non-government funds to the overall budget.

I would suggest that it is miniscule, somewhere between 5 and 10 percent (this is a guess). I base this suggestion on the fact that PP doesn't really provide abortion services at all except in just a couple of States. Abortion services are a very small part of the services they provide. If my guess is anywhere near the point, then at most 8.6 percent of their income is from abortion services.

Bu, oh my, lordy, lordy, doesn't 86% sound so much nastier than 8.6%.

And, just as an aside, the Congressional Clown Car Committee hearings into Planned Parenthood would be a whole heck of a lot more respectable if they would let their star witness, the President of Planned Parenthood answer one of their questions. Just one. One question without talking over her so she can get out the answer to the question they asked. She spent 5 hours in the witness chair and was not allowed to answer one question. Not one.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Sremmos80

Like how?

Did I miss something about the mammograms?

I have no idea, that is why I asked. I wanted to know if mammograms or the machines used for them was somehow germane to the hearings.

If PP was truly about women's health ....

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: neveroddoreven99

Is your playing basketball providing a needed service to anyone? I didn't think so. Irrelevant.

To say that Planned Parenthood only provides abortions and free condoms is a lie. They provide many valuable services to women in need. By far, the largest number of services they provide has nothing to do with abortions.

It has nothing to do with mammograms either.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Khaleesi

What if you make just enough to not qualify?

Then I guess a baby gets born and doesn't get chucked into a meat grinder.

originally posted by: GeisterFahrer

Then I guess a baby gets born and doesn't get chucked into a meat grinder.

Yep. Baby Grinders. Off to heaven they go just like your story book of lies says.

So what are you complaining about. Just more pure souls for your God who isn't there.

originally posted by: BubbaJoe

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: theantediluvian

I bet they cook the books.

And Congress (mostly "D"s) has been compromised by the "donations" and lobbying.

Nice try just the same.

The "3%" thing is a red herring.

How would you like to put the Koch brothers under the same examination, imagine they are far more dirty for cooking the books, than PP.

Go ahead and look. If they are, they are. If they aren't, you are just deflecting from the issue.

originally posted by: BubbaJoe

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Khaleesi

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: Khaleesi

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Khaleesi

I believe you have to be referred to a radiology office for a mammogram. You can't just walk in and say give me a mammogram. You have to submit paperwork signed by a doctor, saying whether you just need an annual screening mammogram, or if you need some kind of special ultra sound or 3d imaging due to a suspicious lump found by the doctor during the breast exam.

I'm just answering a question. Don't kill the messenger. Oh, BTW I'm an x-ray tech. I know exactly what is required since I used to do them.

Then you know that those people who said that defunding PP would remove patients' access to mammograms are absolutely correct.

No, defunding PP would not remove patient access to mammograms, since PP does not provide that service.

Not to mention the evil GOP bill would send all that PP money to the other women's care clinics who outnumber PP 20:1, nationwide.

Women would still get their condoms, birth control and mammograms.

And if the GOP takes the tax dollars away from PP, it shouldn't affect abortions because those don't use tax dollars, right?

So please tell me libs, what exactly is the problem?

My problem is, that from your past posts, I have to assume you are male. If that is the case, you will never need an abortion, so why are you worried about others requesting them? You, like the rest of your ilk, want to control others, while telling people, keep your hands off of my freedoms.

So your problem with keeping women's clinics funded is that I am a male?

Did I not just ask that PP should still be able to continue performing abortions, because they are not funded by tax dollars? Your rebuttal makes no sense.

Stop playing the sexism card, stop declaring the non-existent war on vaginas. Please make a factual response or stop wasting our time.

originally posted by: Nyteskye

Who exactly takes responsibility for the tsunami of teen pregnancies when the right wing FINALLY manages to defund women's health care?

The people who decided to have sex?

FALSE NARRATIVE ALERT

originally posted by: Nyteskye
Just out of morbid curiously....

Who exactly takes responsibility for the tsunami of teen pregnancies when the right wing FINALLY manages to defund women's health care?

Just out of curiosity... you are a aware that the GOP bill sends the PP funds to other women's clinics, right?

And if PP abortions are privately funded, where does this 'tsunami' come from?

originally posted by: neveroddoreven99
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Have you watched what is purported to be the raw footage? It doesn't sound like you have.

It doesn't sound like you know how abortion laws think if you think that anything depicted in those videos was illegal.

a reply to: Teikiatsu

gee, ya know what our little county health clinic doesn't provide mammograms either, matter of fact, after checking the sight, I don't even see where they provide the breast exams...
so basically, what they are proposing is diverting the funding for poor women's health services to building a network of community health centers that are capable of eventually providing the services planned parenthood provides.

www.washingtonpost.com...
but well louisiana kind proves to us that they don't have that network as of yet in some areas of the country.

a reply to: intrptr

So it's a bad thing to accept new information that is presented and evolve your debate around it? News to me.

Sorry, -I- am willing to accept legitimate evidence from both sides of a debate and actually CONCEDE points to the other side when I'm wrong. I'm not ashamed of this either, so gloat all you want I'm perfectly ok with my reasoning right now.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Big difference between changing viewpoints and just keeping up appearances. I doubt very much you will stop defending PP in regards to those videos which clearly show the bargaining of dead baby parts over dinner and drinks.

Not that my opinion matters much, either.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Big difference between changing viewpoints and just keeping up appearances. I doubt very much you will stop defending PP in regards to those videos which clearly show the bargaining of dead baby parts over dinner and drinks.

Not that my opinion matters much, either.

Of course I won't stop defending them. That new evidence from Coalfire Systems didn't point out that the videos showed anything illegal; they still don't show anything illegal. So there is no point in attacking Planned Parenthood. So, naturally, I'll continue to defend the people being attacked by underhanded tactics. It's simple logic. Be the defender, not the aggressor.

PS: Of course your opinion doesn't matter to me. When you try to use emotionally charged sentences like "show the bargaining of dead baby parts over dinner and drinks," I'm going to tune you out. Emotions only cloud logical thinking. Besides that's an appeal to emotion fallacy.

originally posted by: rnaa


And, just as an aside, the Congressional Clown Car Committee hearings into Planned Parenthood would be a whole heck of a lot more respectable if they would let their star witness, the President of Planned Parenthood answer one of their questions. Just one. One question without talking over her so she can get out the answer to the question they asked. She spent 5 hours in the witness chair and was not allowed to answer one question. Not one.

Of course - the hearing is not about investigating Planned Parenthood - it's just an excuse for the politicians to pontificate to their base.