Donald Trump promises universal healthcare and zero taxes for the poor if he wins in 2016

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

As a raging libertarian, i say this in all honesty: i don't see any way to roll back Obamacare. And unless I see a better plan to put in place, the only other option is socializing it.

Or watching our country rip itself apart.

originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Yeah but US healthcare is still pretty # and inefficient.

That is because between medicare,medicaid,VA benefits.

The US government is the largest single health care insurer in the country.

That gets to write their own rules private companies have to follow.

The reason health care is 'screwed' is because the US government already cornered the market.

originally posted by: neo96
Of course as a right winger I do not support universal health care.

It's a monopoly were no competition exists.

Only one place to shop, and don't like the service ?

You realize that, in Britain for example, they have both a comprehensive government health service AND the option to to go to private medical facilities? Which makes your statement not grounded in reality at all?

a reply to: neo96

I think what Trump is doing is great. What better way to expose the GOP for what they are than to troll em?

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: neo96

I think what Trump is doing is great. What better way to expose the GOP for what they are than to troll em?

This thread alone beautifully highlights how that trolling is working perfectly. I mean, we have staunch conservatives saying things like "healthcare needs an overhaul" or "I'm not educated enough to give my opinion". Maybe Trump is a force for good after all.

originally posted by: whyamIhere
Trump is a leader.

You can hate or choose not to believe anything the man says.

But, we need a leader. Somebody to rally us together.

After Jimmy Carter this Country was in the same situation.

Iran was holding our people. The economy was horrible.

Reagan came along and said if Iran didn't release our people.

"The bombing starts five minutes after he is sworn in".

America was back. We quit allowing people to divide us.

So, maybe Trump is no Reagan. But, I see a leader.

I support Trump...Lets get rid of the people dividing us by skin pigment.

Sorry but universal health care is a bad hair day too far.

a reply to: neo96

You should just drop the mic and walk off stage with that post.

Summed up and put in a nut shell, right there.

originally posted by: AshOnMyTomatoes

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: neo96

I think what Trump is doing is great. What better way to expose the GOP for what they are than to troll em?

This thread alone beautifully highlights how that trolling is working perfectly. I mean, we have staunch conservatives saying things like "healthcare needs an overhaul" or "I'm not educated enough to give my opinion". Maybe Trump is a force for good after all.

That also reinforces the idea that many people are ok with certain types of programs as long as it's their team that comes up with the idea.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

As a raging libertarian, i say this in all honesty: i don't see any way to roll back Obamacare. And unless I see a better plan to put in place, the only other option is socializing it.

Or watching our country rip itself apart.

I dont disagree with you there, the problem is they implemented a new system that was broken from its inception, it is so defunct it feels intentional........I just dont know how you can screw it up that bad......

We do have to do something different for sure, I still say bring the competitiveness back in the market like car insurance.....

a reply to: AshOnMyTomatoes

Yeah it is grounded living in the US, and see what a wonderful job government does with the health care programs we already have.

They are snip poor, woefully inadequate, with rampant waste,fraud, and abuse.

That guess what ?

Outsources to private companies.

And they OUTSOURCE to other countries.

If a progressive was purposing the same thing Trump is advocating....

It's socialist this, and commie that; constant name calling..... you can't even see your own BS hypocrisy.

The cult of personality and hero worship kicks logic to the curb in the conservative mind set.... What a ****in bunch of sheep. baaa baaaa!

Now more than ever Jeb has been chosen and Trump is just setting up the show in the big tent.

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: AshOnMyTomatoes

Yeah it is grounded living in the US, and see what a wonderful job government does with the health care programs we already have.

They are snip poor, woefully inadequate, with rampant waste,fraud, and abuse.

That guess what ?

Outsources to private companies.

And they OUTSOURCE to other countries.

Yes, I agree, the "health care" reform we had was a pile of #. We should have had a better one. When government initiatives are done for the actual good of the people, and not to line some company's pockets, they can actually work.

I also read that part of Trump's promises,
is to give every single American male their very own Czech mail order bride.
How's that for immigration?

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Or watching our country rip itself apart.

Countries ripping themselves apart seems to be trending these days.

a reply to: AshOnMyTomatoes

Which 'companies' would those be ?

Here or abroad ?

www.gao.gov...


www.pwc.com...

oig.hhs.gov...

www.economist.com...

originally posted by: rupertg
I also read that part of Trump's promises,
is to give every single American male their very own Czech mail order bride.
How's that for immigration?

Bring it on!



I think we can handle it.
THe more the merrier.

originally posted by: WeRpeons
a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Can I have a pony?

Lol, that's trumps next promise! Ponies for everyone! ...except now everyone has to build a barn.

Sounds like a jobs program to me. Imagine all the jobs created by building the barns for those ponies and securing all the food they'll need.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
WHich means: our ridiculous healthcare system seems to be paying for the R&D for the rest of the worlds medicine.

It is, but how do we fix that? What incentive does India have to stop producing cheap knockoff medicine and negatively impact the health of their citizens by paying the prices our corporations need to recoup their investment? What incentive does China have to remove access to medication for their citizens? The UK health care system couldn't survive paying the prices we need them to pay, why wouldn't they go with the cheapest option?

Medicine largely works on volume, it costs 10x as much per pill to treat 100,000 cases of something as to treat 1,000,000 cases of something. With that in mind we can only bring our own medicinal costs down if we can get billions of people on board at once. We treat a pool of 317 million right now, if we could add a billion people to that either through Africa, or Europe, or India, or China we would cut drug prices to 1/4 of what they currently are. If we added 2 billion we would cut them to 1/8. 3 billion would make 1/11. The problem is that generics cost more along the lines of 1/100 what the name brand costs. We can't add enough people to incentivize other nations to sign on. Even if we could get prices to 1/10 what they currently cost, which would be fantastic for us that represents a 10 fold increase in the cost of medical care in some other nations.

originally posted by: introvert
That also reinforces the idea that many people are ok with certain types of programs as long as it's their team that comes up with the idea.

It certainly helps prove the assertion I often times make that people really aren't that far apart in their beliefs, it's mostly just team affiliation that causes arguments.

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

As a raging libertarian, i say this in all honesty: i don't see any way to roll back Obamacare. And unless I see a better plan to put in place, the only other option is socializing it.

Or watching our country rip itself apart.

I dont disagree with you there, the problem is they implemented a new system that was broken from its inception, it is so defunct it feels intentional........I just dont know how you can screw it up that bad......

We do have to do something different for sure, I still say bring the competitiveness back in the market like car insurance.....

From top to bottom, it was a total farce. I am still getting "clarifications" on the ACA implementation, and still dealing with new regulations/guidelines that impact the amount of time I spend tracking the governments new program for them.

By "top to bottom", i am not being facetious. The website is the perfect example of the entire fiasco: costs over 1000 times more than it needed to, 100 times more than its worth, and still didn't function as promised or needed.