ISLAM...Ban it? Kill the worshippers to kill the ideology upon which they stand?

a reply to: nullafides

While I may not agree with you 100%, I do share some of your sentiments and particularly they manner in which you seem to be wrestling with yourself over the issue.

As I watch a huge Muslim influx in the town where I have lived for years, it seem that there is VERY little integration. None of the children are on the local sports teams. None attend the public schools (and it seem most are home schooled, for whatever that means). They seem to shop only in their own stores. While in and of itself, non-integration isn't necessarily bad or evil, it does cause me to wonder occasionally.

Since they clearly want nothing to do with ANYONE else in the community, is it that far-fetched to think that they would prefer the rest of us would leave? If so, what will they do about it? (Yes, I do remind myself to not get too carried away and paranoid about these kinds of things).

Every once in a while you hear about what I would consider passive-aggressive moves my Muslim people/groups to try and force their ways on everyone else. I apologize for not remembering all the specifics but I recall a few years back a Muslim group purchased land adjacent to a property that for years had held "pig races" as part of a fair (or something like that). I believe they lost but the Muslim group tried to shut down the races via the legal system. Recently there was the flight attendant who had converted to Islam and no longer wanted to serve alcohol (which was part of her job). I recall a Muslim supermarket cashier who decided that she shouldn't have to ring up customers who were purchasing pork products.

I'm one of those people who, on a somewhat regular basis, does a "Google News" search of my town to see whats been happening. I have NEVER come across a story about a Muslim person being assaulted via a "bias" attack. I've never seen a story about any of their mosques being vandalized. Nothing. So I was very surprised (until I really thought about it) to find out that the largest mosque in the town was calling for a summit (paraphrase) to discuss the harassment that the local Muslim population suffers from. I thought to myself, "Are you kidding me?" From what I've seen, these are the tactics of SOME of the Muslim groups.

Regarding Sharia here in the United States, I believe about three or four months ago a few politicians in California were urging financial institutions to create Sharia-Compliant loan structures to encourage Muslim people to purchase homes in his area. Nothing necessarily illegal or even immoral about that, but this is one of those things I wrestle with. As you said, where does the line get drawn?

a reply to: dogstar23

I do thoroughly agree with you. However, my quandary was over how we handle those that take their believes to the point of acting out on them.

And at the end of the day, as thoughts are a viral thing...and have a vector to them...how do we deal with them?

And that being said....how do we deal with the fact that inevitably...we *are* actually enacting penalties for crimes based on an ideology...

originally posted by: GogoVicMorrow
a reply to: nullafides

You can't kill an idea. First off it's insane to contemplate killing a billion innocent people. Second it will spontaneously regenerate and probably a larger violent movement of radicals will arise from the people that survived.

Scary genocide title.

Apparently you missed the part where I mentioned that my title was an intentionally incendiary one. It was meant to provoke thought.

And, I put my thoughts here. Did I say I am PRO genocide? Did I say "Hey, grab your guns" ?

No, I did not.


Perhaps you should re-read the original post I made?

a reply to: eluryh22

I get the feeling you seem to think I am saying "Hey, let's go full nuclear on Islam!!!"

No, I did not say that.

What I said was...

There happens to be an ideology that is breeding a group of extremists. A group who apparently are looking to come into our nations, our homes (not our specific homes, I am speaking of our homeland), and then demand that we adapt to their culture because ours is a sinful one. This, I have a problem with.

The crux of my thought exercise was a dilemma in what exactly do you do in this situation. Where DO you draw the line? How do you cope with it, yet be good people?

I think if you go back and re-read what I originally wrote, you won't find one statement where I actually said let's cleans the earth of this religion.

Rather, I asked...what do we do? If I did not say that in so many words, it was very much my intent.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: ketsuko

That is what you take out of that?

Religion, all of them, is used all over the world to justify atrocious acts.

It is just the tool they use, we don't blame the tools used right?

Ah geez. All you've got is "well they did this and that in the past!". I'll be sure to pass along you're sentiments to people of faith who surely do more to help than keyboard warriors like yourself.

originally posted by: nullafides
a reply to: eluryh22

I get the feeling you seem to think I am saying "Hey, let's go full nuclear on Islam!!!"

At no point did I think that was what you were saying. After re-reading my own post, I'm not sure why you would think that I was implying that.