Conservative Republican is a mismatch for Christianity

a reply to: spiritualzombie

Yes, he likely would, but of course, he would do with his own resources. He wouldn't go to Rome and lobby the Imperial Senate to pass a decree authorizing the government officials of the province to come into everyone else's home and take their money despite their true ability to pay at the time and then use that money (with money skimmed off the top because that's what Roman officials did (see my previous post about Roman tax collectors) and use anything left over to pay for state sanctioned apothecaries to dispense drugs for them.

Jesus would personally take each one and help them. Of course, the Lord could heal.

originally posted by: ketsuko

Also, understand, Jesus went to the sinners. If he calls you most strongly, you might think about what that means for you and your present life.

This nonsense is why I am not a conservative Christian. It sounds like an excuse... to pretend that the less you hear the call of Jesus the less of a sinner you are.

a reply to: darkbake

No, just that He said himself that His main mission was to the sinners which is why He was always among them. They needed His word the most.

Think of it this way:

A man knows how to teach people to fish and he wants to spread his word so that other people can feed themselves. Where does he go? To the village full of fishermen or the village where no one knows how to fish?

I have a feeling this might fall on deaf ears, but here's my 2¢(alright maybe a little more). There are aspects of conservative ideology that are great, and there are aspects of liberal ideology that are also great. Conversely, there are extremely bad aspects of both ideologies. If, for instance, welfare was efficiently used to directly help people in need, I don't think conservatives would have a problem with that. Also if, for instance, economic deregulation actually helped anyone but the ultra-rich, I don't think liberals would have a problem with that either.


What we have today are two parties claiming certain principles and values, yet both are hypocrites.

Republicans- you need to look at political donations and realize that though many core beliefs of conservative ideology came from good intent, most if not all of your politicians are bought and paid for to some degree, and deregulation is mostly used explicitly to create loopholes and help out giant corporations that should pull their own weight like you say everybody else should. (Side-note, EVERYONE should explore opensecrets.org to get an idea of who's who and who owns who in Washington, both parties are guilty). You also need to realize many of those bought-and-paid-for politicians might want to drag us into another war not to 'assert ourselves' or to 'protect the US' or to 'save people' but because they have obligations. You also need to realize this country is secular whether you like it or not, and that is actually what's best and what's fair to everyone. Also, you don't want to spend money, ever, yet you seem to have no problem with defense spending. If we took just a fraction of that and used it to build a nation-wide train system(which republicans would likely rail against) we might actually be considered 'developed' compared to other nations where infrastructure is far better. We could even allocate some of it annually to pay off debt. We could use much of that money for so many things and still have a higher defense budget than any other major power many times over! Lastly, you need to realize that all aspects of modern socialism are not evil, some of them work.

Democrats- You need to realize that political correctness is BS! For instance, it’s just as bad to accuse people of Islamophobia for being concerned about radical Islam as it is to hate decent, patriotic, peaceful people because they happen to be Muslims. If you're offended by 'buzzwords', you need to get over it because this is America dammit, everyone is constantly offending everyone and that is our way. If someone wants to be an ignorant bigot, they may be wrong but that is their right. You also need to realize that our country is in financial turmoil and dealing with that should be a major priority. Also, liberal politicians talk about invasion of privacy and the NSA but most if not all are for it and on someone's payroll. Our constitution is a beautiful thing, we should preserve it! And yes, we should be a beacon of opportunity for immigrants, but if we just leave the faucet on forever this country will not be able to take on that weight and it will cause serious problems in the long run. Lastly, you need to realize that all aspects of conservatism are not evil, some of them work.


We are more divided as a nation than we've ever been, and because of that hardly anything gets done. The animosity between the two extremes has become destructive for both parties and their constituents. We need to drop this poisonous line of thinking and develop an attitude open to coming together...we're all Americans and if this ship sinks we're all going down with it. Think of it like a marriage; if no one makes concessions and is open to hearing the other's concerns, it will not work. The reality is that both sides are right in some ways and both are wrong in others. This 'us and them' mentality is the worst and the media deserves a lot of the blame. But we do need to realize, as another thread pointed out, it is not left vs right it is we the people vs the corrupt establishment. If you're going to reply by putting blame on this side or that side don't bother...you are part of the problem.

If you guys all think the current Christian Conservative views on political issues accurately represents what you would expect from spiritual followers of Christ, then who am I to question. I guess I'm not seeing the overwhelming love thy enemy, blessed are the poor, peace movement... but if you say, no, SpiritualZombie, we, the Christian Conservatives and followers of Christ, overwhelmingly vote for love and peace and helping those in need.... well, then... that's awesome and I got nothing more to say.

Progressivism and Liberalism do not only exist in the left and Democrats but in the right and Conservatives and yes even the far right wing.

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: spiritualzombie

The Christian conservative right was mostly invented by moneyed interests as a way to rebel against 1930's Socialist policies. They co-opted preachers across the nation to preach god and country and that Socialism was evil. You may be familiar with this tactic, it requires someone to pretend like Socialism and Communism are the exact same thing.

Here's a link:
A Christian Nation? Since When?

You mean the Christian Conservative right who

Fought for womens rights while the left tried to keep them from voting

This battle was won by Socialists.

Fought for black Civil Rights, while the left and democrats tried to keep it from happening

This battle was won by Northern Democrats and Republicans. This was a battle between north and south not political sides.

Fought a Civil War to stop slavery, started by that crazy Right winger Christian Abe Lincoln

The Republican party was Liberal back then... Pro Slavery was a Conservative ideal.

your hate truly runs deep for Conservatives and Christians, but I thought Id remind you of just how horrible we are with the above facts

More like you are reinventing history.

and since you wanted to try a History Lesson, I thought id give you one in turn

Except you have your facts wrong.

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: spiritualzombie

The Christian conservative right was mostly invented by moneyed interests as a way to rebel against 1930's Socialist policies. They co-opted preachers across the nation to preach god and country and that Socialism was evil. You may be familiar with this tactic, it requires someone to pretend like Socialism and Communism are the exact same thing.

Here's a link:
A Christian Nation? Since When?

As soon as you come up with a version of "socialism" that I can opt in and out of as I please, I'll consider it, but right now, it all comes with a good deal of government force behind it.

I really don't care about your opinion on Socialism. My post was a history lesson about the origins of the Christian right.

You'll excuse me if I found nothing instructive about it. It sounds a good deal like the whole Democrats became Republicans and that's how we avoid discussing Bull Conner ...

The facts are the facts. You don't have to believe me. I really don't care, but that is how the Christian right started.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: spiritualzombie

The Christian conservative right was mostly invented by moneyed interests as a way to rebel against 1930's Socialist policies. They co-opted preachers across the nation to preach god and country and that Socialism was evil. You may be familiar with this tactic, it requires someone to pretend like Socialism and Communism are the exact same thing.

Here's a link:
A Christian Nation? Since When?

As soon as you come up with a version of "socialism" that I can opt in and out of as I please, I'll consider it, but right now, it all comes with a good deal of government force behind it.

I really don't care about your opinion on Socialism. My post was a history lesson about the origins of the Christian right.

You'll excuse me if I found nothing instructive about it. It sounds a good deal like the whole Democrats became Republicans and that's how we avoid discussing Bull Conner ...

The facts are the facts. You don't have to believe me. I really don't care, but that is how the Christian right started.

Facts are facts, but what I saw there wasn't a fact. It looked like an opinion masquerading as fact.

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: spiritualzombie

The Christian conservative right was mostly invented by moneyed interests as a way to rebel against 1930's Socialist policies. They co-opted preachers across the nation to preach god and country and that Socialism was evil. You may be familiar with this tactic, it requires someone to pretend like Socialism and Communism are the exact same thing.

Here's a link:
A Christian Nation? Since When?

As soon as you come up with a version of "socialism" that I can opt in and out of as I please, I'll consider it, but right now, it all comes with a good deal of government force behind it.

I really don't care about your opinion on Socialism. My post was a history lesson about the origins of the Christian right.

You'll excuse me if I found nothing instructive about it. It sounds a good deal like the whole Democrats became Republicans and that's how we avoid discussing Bull Conner ...

The facts are the facts. You don't have to believe me. I really don't care, but that is how the Christian right started.

Facts are facts, but what I saw there wasn't a fact. It looked like an opinion masquerading as fact.

Then you didn't read my accompanying link. I didn't pull that out of thin air or anything.

originally posted by: neo96
Radical Islam is a better fit for Christian liberals.

Hell they already deify the state, and worship at the alter of statolatry.

The religious right is the same in Islamic countries and in America. Only the colors and the weapons differ. Islamic conservatives are still more colorful and operate with terrorism. The Christian Jihadists operate by bombing countries back to the Middle Ages.
I have seen the likes of Pat Robertson up close and they are far closer to the jihad than anyone else in our country.

George Bush II was a newborn Christian of this sort and he's started two wars the whole world cannot seem to finish.
Is that closer to jihad, or the "love your neighbor" idea of the real Jesus?

a reply to: spiritualzombie

None of the political parties are right for the teachings of Jesus. If anyone thinks either party is "better" with regarding the teachings of Jesus than we are doomed.

a reply to: spiritualzombie

Liberals have overseen the death or extermination of 55 million babies via abortion in the US.

The Nazi's oversaw the death or extermination of 11 million Jews and 5 million Non Jews.

By that measure liberals have killed more innocents than Nazis by a measure of 3.4:1.

I'm going to say Jesus wouldn't accept either liberals or conservatives.

a reply to: Stuship

You really think a conservative never had an abortion?

Also nazis actively went out and rounded up people to kill. Most liberals want to prevent the abortion. Which defunding PP would cause so much more.

People are intentionally being obtuse about the discussion I raised. It's so clear and obvious and requires such ridiculous spin and misdirection.... When you're only way out is to compare a woman's right to choose with nazism. It's just pathetic.

I say again, show me the Christian Conservative political stance that represents 'blessed are the poor', or 'love thy enemy', and any sort of Christ like call for peace and love and togetherness. Show me one. One would be a good start.

Or continue with super pathetic spin.

Liberals can easily say they support healthcare for the sick and poor, they would support a political effort to feed the homeless, they would put their money with their mouth is and pay additional taxes if necessary to help those in need. show me an example for the Christian conservative of truly love based, choosing humanity over money, choosing empathy over judgment.

If it requires spin, maybe Liberals really are closer in their ideals to what Christianity is supposed to be.

You know it's true.

There is nothing moral about the greed for the unearned wealth of others and deciding the fair amount they should give without their consent. You are free to give as much wealth as you wish to whoever you desire but there is nothing moral about taking it by force. God gave us free will. It's very important to remember that. What I choose in life should never be forced on another. My favorite verse in the bible.

Do to others as you would have them do to you.

a reply to: Danton

Do to others as you would have them do to you.

Yep Jesus was a liberal.

a reply to: Deaf Alien

A classical liberal perhaps but certainly not a big government totalitarian leftist who would force on others what they would not willingly accept themselves.

OP

Liberal Christians = pro-choice = murdering babies

Conservative Christians = pro-life = not murdering babies

Which of the above would Christ agree with?

a reply to: spiritualzombie

Liberals are just sooooo good at giving away other people's money for all their little pet projects. Speaking of liberals being more Christian....yah Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden both Catholics and both believe in killing unborn children....yah that's so darn Christian makes my head spin, ya all that helping the poor innocents.....NOT!!!!
Nanceeee didn't give away all her money to the poor yet?