Police fatally shoot man in a wheel chair

a reply to: MALBOSIA

The first thing I noticed. The rest of the story is sad yes, but he was armed with a handgun. Reguardless of mobility a pull of the trigger is still a pull of the trigger.

a reply to: theantediluvian

I don't see how this is ok, he was in a wheel chair not waving his gun at anyone not shooting at anyone he was already shot, they could of bean bagged him they could of tazed him. Instead he falls off his chair with his last breath of life and dies how sad.

originally posted by: TechniXcality
a reply to: theantediluvian

I don't see how this is ok, he was in a wheel chair not waving his gun at anyone not shooting at anyone he was already shot, they could of bean bagged him they could of tazed him. Instead he falls off his chair with his last breath of life and dies how sad.

While I agree it is sad, he was also given numerous chances to raise his arms and/or drop the gun. They didn't just run in shooting. When he did decide to move, he reached for something instead. What that something was, I have no idea, but if I am surrounded by a few cops with their guns already drawn I am not going to be reaching for anything except the sky.

Sadly, I do think this was a suicide by cop situation.

a reply to: Vasa Croe

I hear you it just seems so counter intuitive oh you want to die so we the Hero's will kill you, a man who's shot and suicidal is not logical so the blame can't be placed on him it's the authority's handling it that must use discretion and too often someone dies

A rubber bullet from a 12 ga shot gun would have been a much better option. Why do police departments spend so much money net on less than lethal options yet almost never use them?
a reply to: TechniXcality

originally posted by: TechniXcality
a reply to: Vasa Croe

I hear you it just seems so counter intuitive oh you want to die so we the Hero's will kill you, a man who's shot and suicidal is not logical so the blame can't be placed on him it's the authority's handling it that must use discretion and too often someone dies

Totally agree with the train of thought. If there was an ability to clear the street of possible civilians and actually calling someone in that specializes in talking these kinds down then they should have. I think he had already wounded himself so they also could have just let him bleed until he passed out. In hindsight there are always numerous ways to end a situation, but it is likely LEO are trained now to end them quickly versus a long standoff.

originally posted by: Stearman65
A rubber bullet from a 12 ga shot gun would have been a much better option. Why do police departments spend so much money net on less than lethal options yet almost never use them?
a reply to: TechniXcality

I don't think those are used in many armed shooter type of situations as they are not accurate from a distance, and if the mark is missed then it will rile them to the point of possible shootout. I may be wrong, but in cases of an armed shooter, the typical response is going in armed as well. Tasers and bean bags have to be deployed at close range, and again, if missed then the shooter has the advantage.

a reply to: Vasa Croe

Ever think the guy might have been in shock from the initial shot and not thinking clearly?

Nah......best to shoot him to make sure.

a reply to: TechniXcality

responding to a call that he had a self-inflicted gunshot wound ... Authorities say a shooting occurred and the man died at the scene ... The news release did not elaborate, and police would not release any additional information.

So, what we DO know is that the man shot himself and that he died.

For all we know, it could have been the armed man shooting at the police and not the other way around. HE is the only one who is confirmed to fire a firearm.

How does that justify a headline saying POLICE fatally shot the man? *sigh*

a reply to: TechniXcality

i watched the video at full screen. i dont see any threating movement from him to warrant being shot.
in fact i saw both his hand as he tried to get off the chair, then looks like he pulls his gun out of his waist to try to get down again maybe. then he was shot. i dont see anything he did to pose him as a threat.

carrying a gun is not illegal in Delaware.

originally posted by: odzeandennz
a reply to: TechniXcality

i watched the video at full screen. i dont see any threating movement from him to warrant being shot.
in fact i saw both his hand as he tried to get off the chair, then looks like he pulls his gun out of his waist to try to get down again maybe. then he was shot. i dont see anything he did to pose him as a threat.

carrying a gun is not illegal in Delaware.

I think not complying with the "hands in the air" command a few times then reaching for your gun when police have theirs drawn would be considered posing a threat most anywhere.

And unless he was trying to keep a crime from happening, discharging a weapon inside city limits anywhere (outside of a gun range) is a big legal issue.

a reply to: TechniXcality

I don't even know why this is a topic, if you don't want a cop to shoot you... there are simple rules.

1. Sit Down (in his case he already was)
2. Shutup
3. Keep hands where they can see em(this includes off of weapons, I have been pulled over or stopped with a weapon a number of times and not been shot for my trouble.)
4. Comply (eg. drop the damned gun fool)
5. Don't Run (again in this case not an issue but I am making my list of how not to get killed by a cop rules.)

I promise if you do these 5 simple things they wont shoot you.

Personally I am not a cop but come from a LE family, most of them are just a guy with a job. That being said if you have a gun and wave it around I WILL SHOOT YOU FIRST. I travel with my weapon as is a 2A right, I keep a weapon racked and ready but hidden in each room of my home AT ALL TIMES(never know when some nutter will decide your home is the one to break into today.) I don't care if you pull a pocket knife, if you are are perceived as a threat you will be dealt with as a threat. So like I said, 5 simple rules and you don't die. Easy right?

a reply to: sycomix

I hope with all my heart that you do not have young children living with you, even less that they have parties.
I can not imagine the kind of fear a person must be living with in order to have a hidden (not locked away?) ready to use firearm in all your different rooms...

a reply to: TechniXcality

A Police spokesperson today said Officers responded to a situation when they received multiple reports of an aged, crippled Man confined to a wheelchair, who was reportedly attempting to commit suicide using a firearm.

The officers upon arriving at the scene, soon realised that the old Man was armed and had already attempted to kill himself with the gun, and was suffering from a fresh gunshot wound.

The lead Officer later explained that: Ain't nobody got the right to top 'emselves, round these here parts without our say so see...that's our job, were trained dagnabbit..if this good 'ol boy thought he was gonna git away with topping himself with us around he sure did have a sur-prise coming his way..heehaw right between the eyes man...whoowee...it's all in a days work getting rid of these varmints, were used to it.

Back to the studio.

originally posted by: Jonjonj
a reply to: sycomix

I hope with all my heart that you do not have young children living with you, even less that they have parties.
I can not imagine the kind of fear a person must be living with in order to have a hidden (not locked away?) ready to use firearm in 5 different rooms...

Not fear in the slightest my friend, condom theory. Have and not need rather than need and not have. People are savage things and not to be trusted. A person is ok, but people... nope. Besides I don't live in the best neighborhood. Ohh and my children are excellent marksmen, 2 of them can hit a quarter from 500 yards. They are fully aware of what a weapon is and that it is no toy. But hey the benefits of growing up around them, my oldest can break down and reassemble an AR in about 4 min.

Don't need details. Suicide went wrong and threatened the police to end his life. Case solved.

a reply to: TechniXcality

From the video it looked like one cop could easily have flanked him ready to use nonlethal force, while the others approached ready to fire as needed. With all that manpower ready, I don't understand why they were so hesitant to close in with nonlethal force on a cripple. I couldn't quite make out what this guy was doing, but the cops really didn't look good here.

a reply to: sycomix

Ok this is a lot of bravado and rediculousness, did you watch the video!

Respect my authoritie post, this is what you sound like I would laugh in your face.

a reply to: TechniXcality

I did watch the video, failure to keep hands where they could see them, armed... I would have shot him too. No questions asked.