Report: Russian Marines have now engaged ISIS fighters in direct combat

a reply to: zilebeliveunknown

Please control your hard on for Putin. I do understand the word "hypocrisy"

If any other nation especially the USA put troops on the ground all of you would be ranting like crazy that the USA empire is taking over. Please hold Russia to the same standards

"According to General Wesley Clark, the master plan for the "dollarification" of the world's oil nations included seven targets, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Iran (Venezuela, which dared to sell their oil to China for the Yuan, is a late addition). What is notable about the original seven nations originally targeted by the US is that none of them are members of the Bank for International Settlements, the private central bankers privatecentral bank, located in Switzerland. This meant that these nations were deciding for themselves how to run their nations' economies, rather than submit to the international private banks."
Looks like the list of countries with no debt to our western bankers days are numbered. These oil producing countries also do not follow the international standard of selling and buying oil in US dollars set in motion by Nixon. USA promised in turn to defend / invade whoever attacks Saudi, Kuwait, etc. as long as they prop the dollar through oil. Iraq and Lybia where debt free but they both began to sell oil in other denominations. This devalues the oil based dollar and they were taken out . Libya / Iraq have now been liberated from a tyrant .

"Libya 2011: If the ruler of a country refuses to become the servant of the New World Order people, he is subjected to character assassination and physically attacked with troops. I don’t for a moment suggest that Col. Gaddafi was a saint, but as the Bible so aptly remarks, you can tell a man’s character by the things which he does, so what did Col. Gaddafi do? Well, here is some information passed to me and I leave you to decide for yourself:
1. In Libya, electricity is free for all of it’s citizens.
2. There is no interest on loans, banks in Libya are state-owned and loans are given to all its citizens at 0% interest which is requirement of Libyan law.
3. Owning a home is considered a human right in Libya – Gaddafi vowed that his parents would not get a house until everyone else in Libya had a home. Gaddafi’s father has died while he, his wife and his mother were still living in a tent.
4. All newlyweds in Libya receive $60,000 Dinar (US$50,000 ) from the government, to buy their first apartment to help them start a family.
5. Education and medical treatments are free in Libya. Before Gaddafi only 25% of Libyans were literate. Today the figure is 83%.
6. If any Libyan wants to take up farming, he receives farming land, a farm house, equipment, seeds and livestock to kick- start their farms – all for free.
7. If Libyans cannot find the education or medical facilities they need in Libya, the government funds them to go abroad for it – not just free, but they get US$2, 300 per month for accommodation and running a car.
8. If a Libyan buys a car, the government pays 50% of the price.
9. The price of petrol in Libya is US$0.14 per litre (in the UK, it is $2.17 per litre at this time, which is more than 15 times as much).
10. Libya has no external debt and its reserves amount to US$150 billion – now frozen globally.
11. If a Libyan is unable to get employment after graduation, the state pays the average salary of the profession as if he or she is employed, until employment is found.
12. A portion of Libyan oil sale revenues is credited directly to the bank accounts of all Libyan citizens.
13. A mother who gives birth to a child receives US$5 ,000.
14. 40 loaves of bread in Libya costs just US$ 0.15 (in the UK, it is 200 times more expensive).
15. 25% of Libyans have a university degree, while in the UK, Sir Clive Woodhead, former Chief Inspector of Schools, has recently recommended that children should leave school at age 14 and become apprentices.
16. Col. Gaddafi carried out the world’s largest irrigation project, known as the Great Man-Made River project, to make water readily available throughout his desert country.
So, I will leave it up to you to decide if the attacks on Libya and the killing of Col. Gaddafi was an honest action designed to make the world a safer and better place, or if those actions were motivated by some other agenda."
Now Libya is war torn and in debt. Pointless to comment on Iraq but im sure Saddam killed less than we did.
Im going to guess that Lebanon is next with Isis showing up there too. Dont forget all those Somali pirates whose only livelyhood of costal fishing has been destroyed by illegal dumping of oil byproduct waste from the middle east tankers. Does anyone belive for one moment that an oil tanker can be boarded by an inflatable and no I will not watch that tom hanks movie.
This Syrian conflict is all about oil and banking and Russia has never backed down from the bankers in Europe. Russian overseas assets have been frozen and there is a trade embargo on them. If this was done to the USA it would be considered an act of war. Russia has responded by selling oil in whatever currency it likes. We responded by making a barrel of oil too cheap for the Russians to make a profit from. It also shutdown Canadas oil production and many others. Russia has been an ally of Syria for decades even duringthe USSR days and has a Southern fleet stationed there. It almost lost this port when it looked like Syrians Assad would fall. Russia responded by getting the USSRs old Crimean port back from Ukraine. Crimeans are 95 % ethnic Russians and voted to join Russia without a shot fired. It was given away to Ukraine during the soviet years as a present and has been russian speaking for longer than the USA has been a country.
The west caused this mess and we need to fix it by backing down.

a reply to: neo96

Yeah, I figured that was along the lines of what you meant. Sorry for being a grammar nazi/ not fully understanding.

And I agree. It makes no sense. FUBAR

You know the real reason Russia are there? It's to keep an eye on the US and their second attempt to topple Assad.

originally posted by: JDmOKI
a reply to: zilebeliveunknown
If any other nation especially the USA put troops on the ground all of you would be ranting like crazy that the USA empire is taking over. Please hold Russia to the same standards

I don't know about that, USA's industrial/military complex has troops all over the globe, it IS already an empire, and their intentions are not as good as you might want to think.
Speaking of standards, Russians are fighting US backed ISIS.

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: Sparkymedic
a reply to: Blackmarketeer

Don't ya love how Saudi Arabia keeps popping up in all of this?

What a great place on earth. Home of the worlds worst construction firm, modern crucifixions, quite likely one of the main conspirators of 9/11 and now the chair of the UN Human Rights Council.

Honestly...No BS...We need to be free of dependence from oil as quickly as possible. The sooner we can tell the Saudis to eff off the better.

Oil is not a left/right or environmental issue...it is a Security issue.

Saudi oil is a drop in the bucket of what is consumed in the west. The ties and reasons of the west being in the ME is deeper than oil and money (although very much still a motivating factor).

Just take a look at those crazy right wing Christian nut jobs who openly welcome the biblical Armageddon. That may give you a better idea as to why the west is in the east. Trying to wrap up a millennia of crusades.

a reply to: zilebeliveunknown

Conspiracy theory based on very little facts.

Why would the USA support ISIS? to destabilize Iraq our trillion dollar money pit? to control the oil? destroy our decade long training of Iraqi troops? To take all our left over military hardware? To cause a world wide outcry against the brutal killing of civilians and US allies? To make a world wide coalition against our ISIS ally that is attacking our known allies?

Just to get little ole Assad out? Risk/reward isn't present with this argument

a reply to: Sparkymedic

I thought Obama was Muslim?

a reply to: JDmOKI

I don't think he's a true Muslim or Christian. Kind of how Gee Dubya Shrub is a "Christian". They are all worshippers of death and destruction.

Politicians, ready to sell their soul for a dollar at a moments notice.

a reply to: mortex

Neither do I.. (or maybe I do, I probably do) but this post of yours makes me want to.

Arresting people for being critical of the government? With mentalities like yours around and with the masses being so easily emotionally manipulated who can blame conspiracy theorists for being skeptical of a government that is more and more resembling a police state each and every day? Your blind jingoism and ignorance is almost astonishing. I wish I could send people like you to mental hospitals. At least then we wouldn't be forcibly dragged into tyranny by the laughable ignorance of people like yourself.

Ugh... I wonder what you're even doing on a site like this.

a reply to: JDmOKI

US does nothing to eradicate ISIS, that is fact. They could but they wont.
And yes, by keeping ISIS alive they are destabalizing the country.
The goal is to conquer Syria, install new puppet regime and get more money pits.

Glad to see that a lot of ATS has woken up to the fact that ISIS is a direct branch of the USA government (and friends) and that any attack on ISIS by the Russians is in fact a direct attack on the Americans (and friends) via proxy.

And stop blaming Obama lol, not like he as any say in any of the decisions.

Russia is fighting ISIS, and people are mad about it?

Only on the internet...

originally posted by: buster2010

The question then becomes, how did ISIS, a terrorist organization which has yet to launch its own satellites into orbit, acquire such sensitive and important material?

Welcome to the internet. A person can go online a get pics of virtually anything now even area 51.

No kidding, they just have to use Google Earth or something similar.

Doesn't Russia know they're fighting a CIA asset? Wouldn't this be an act of war against the US?

originally posted by: Shiloh7
Surely one of the big questions is how is it that Obama with all the resources of the American forces hasn't dealt with ISIS a long time ago.

Obama's administration has been bombing them.

The only answer is, he doesn't want to - he's OK with the suffering of the ordinary people in that area - absolutely fine with it.

No, it's because American voters don't want to commit lots of money and more dead sons. Russian mothers love Putin and haven't had any sons killed or maimed recently.

originally posted by: zilebeliveunknown
a reply to: JDmOKI

US does nothing to eradicate ISIS, that is fact.

US is bombing ISIS since Sept 2014, that is the actual fact. But it doesn't work that well because Iraq's army is pathetic and can't take and hold any gains even with air support. Assad's army prefers to brutalize civilians instead of actually facing ISIS combat fighters.

It's a complete lie to think that the USA wants ISIS. It's the truth that they can't do anything about it that's politically acceptable.

The goal is to conquer Syria, install new puppet regime and get more money pits.

As an investment, is that a gain or a loss? Looks like a huge expense to me, and no gain.

History: GWB and Cheney didn't even get any oil out of Iraq.

originally posted by: Sparkymedic

Saudi oil is a drop in the bucket of what is consumed in the west.

No it isn't.

Saudi oil production is equal to about half of USA oil consumption.

originally posted by: darkbake

originally posted by: buster2010

The question then becomes, how did ISIS, a terrorist organization which has yet to launch its own satellites into orbit, acquire such sensitive and important material?

Welcome to the internet. A person can go online a get pics of virtually anything now even area 51.

No kidding, they just have to use Google Earth or something similar.

Are you daft?
Google Earth or any other satellite imagery available online are all images taken over the course of the past several years.
NOT updated images taken every day, so you could see current troop movements.

Whats wrong with people on this site sometimes? Think!

a reply to: mbkennel

US is bombing ISIS since Sept 2014, that is the actual fact.

That's far they can go, bombing this, bombing that, I'm not even sure if they know where those bombs are falling to be honest, there are no results.
On the other hand, Russians with boots on the ground, which is more effective thing to do in this case.

a reply to: zilebeliveunknown

I never said ISIS wasn't destabilizing the region. I know that once US ground troops enter Syria every young moderately radical Muslim would join up to fight the infidels