U.S. Soldiers Told to Ignore Sexual Abuse of Boys by Afghan Allies

originally posted by: CB328

I don't understand the link between Islam and paedophilia.

Their repressive, conservative, religious culture says women are bad, so they turn to the next available thing.

Repressive and religious yes. From what we are hearing from the actual civilians in those towns this is not cultural nor traditional. And even if it is, it's not american conservatives saying that we must use moral relativism to look the other way.

It's not much different than conservatives in our country thinking it's OK to bomb civilians just because they have a different flag, or religion or economic system.

Wow. Which conservatives are those, that think it's OK to bomb civilians just because they are different?

Back to topic, I'd like to know at what level this command came from, and if it has been going on for a while which level maintained it.

originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: amicktd
a reply to: Shamrock6

Diddling other boys, growing or muling poppy to get money and get status so they can diddle other boys, doing something else to get status so they can diddle other boys, or using their government position to diddle other boys.

I certainly hope not.

Then you're ignoring the reality that is Afghanistan.
f you grew up in a country where this was the norm and you were told all your life that it was normal and you knew no different than it, I doubt it.

Unsure what you meant by that.

You know it's wrong to diddle boys and children, correct? How do you know that? Were you born thinking it? I doubt it. Which means you learned it as a value somewhere along the way.

Now remove whatever mechanism taught you it's wrong and replace it with a mechanism that tells you it's okay, and not only is it okay but it's EXPECTED. And there is zero outside influence to tell you it's wrong until some Americans show up 40 years into your life span. I doubt very seriously you would think it was any more wrong than any other Afghan does, because you wouldn't know any different.

Again, western thinking, eastern concept.

ETA - as for "hoping not:" since it's utterly common in the culture, I'm not sure why you'd even waste time "hoping" that they aren't doing it.

Honestly, I completely disagree with you. First off, I have morals as do most people, so no I wouldn't think it's ok to molest little boys because there isn't a law against it. Second, I also have a hard time believing just because someone said so that all Afghan men molest little boys. Plus, it's absolutely disgusting and any parent would agree.

originally posted by: Flint2011
Us Military Personnel including a buddy of mine in Afghanistan has been enduring this for years. Us Military Personnel including those in command finds themselves with there hands tied. When they do act, nothing happens to the people who are dealt with by the Afgan Government.

bold mine

Yes, reality check.

As the phrase goes, we are not in Kansas anymore. Our bases are not in areas even remotely similar to what we've been used to in other wars. Nor are we a provisional govt there, policing or establishing law.

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: DBCowboy

"LEADERSHIP" is currently occupied with making combat arms a social experiment and pushing progessive training down their throats

I think you may have identified a good jumping off point. Leadership.

We have been very negligent in who and what we have allowed to lead and define us as a nation. We are what we allow are leaders to make of us. We have our own individual and personal agendas and we choose those Leaders that promise to address the things we want in life. We compromise by turning a blind eye and a deaf ear to the negative things they may be involved with. We pretend we don't know about it, and as long as it doesn't directly involve us, we don't care. We use plausible deniability as our cloak of invisibility and invincibility.

We would like to think that we would never stand by and allow a child to be molested. That somehow Americans are above committing such a heinous act, and if we were aware of such a thing occurring we would go out of our way to stop it, including risking life, limb and jail. Yet the entertainment industry is one of the most lucrative businesses in America, and is well known for their sexualization and crimes against children. An industry that we grow and support when we so willing provided them our hard earned dollars.

You don't have to look very hard to see how deeply entrenched the entertainment is in hypersexualization of children, pedophilia and child molestation. Those young stars and starlets don't become self-destroying alcoholics and drugs addicts, starting as early as the ages of six and eight, for no reason. We have known this goes on for ages and we have accepted it as part of the "culture" of Hollywood and the rich and famous.

Now before someone states that my post is off topic and may create a thread drift, though a thread decrying our own, not so well hidden, culture of pedophilia may not be a bad idea, even if it will be short lived, let me interject;

Our Leaders can't use moral objections as a weapon to force the people of the ME region from continuing a horrible cultural practice. For them, it is an acceptable practice that prevents men from committing a far more egregious crime, in their eyes. The horrible act of using young boys as an acceptable sexual outlet to prevent the raping of a young girl, that will bring family shame and force a marriage, to avoid war and conflict, is seen by them, to be a necessary evil.

We on the other hand have allowed only the rich, famous and powerful the get of jail free card. Not saying that only the rich, famous and powerful, are guilty of the crime of child molestation. There are many closet pedophiles that walk among us each day. When their crimes finally catch up with them, though some manage to go to their graves, before the truth is revealed; there is always someone that finally speaks up, saying there were tell-tell signs that many chose to ignore.

I have been waiting for someone to speak up about our own failings in the protection of children from this kind of culturally excused behavior. I know that my post isn't what we want to hear, and it doesn't make what is happening in ME right. But, if it causes us so much outrage, and we can't do anything about it over there, maybe we can use that anger and outrage to protect children in areas where we can make a difference.

We don't get off by washing our hands. We are still responsible for the people that we allow to be our Leaders. It is much easier to step outside of our nests and to take a stand against the evils in our country, than it is to try to fight a battle with the people of the ME, who have less clout than we do in the choice of who leads.

I'm not sure about any of you, but I enjoy being able to look at myself in the mirror each day. If I was a soldier taking orders here, and turning a blind eye, I would really struggle to be able to look at myself..

a reply to: jhn7537

That is why this is a very important issue and congress should address it. It may an attributing factor for the increased suicides.

originally posted by: jhn7537
I'm not sure about any of you, but I enjoy being able to look at myself in the mirror each day. If I was a soldier taking orders here, and turning a blind eye, I would really struggle to be able to look at myself..

I think if you look at the numbers of our young military people that are having issues with morbid depression, PTSD and the increase in the number of suicides among the ranks, you will see that they are indeed involved in a struggle.

To add insult to injury, there is a lack of funding to assist them during or after their committed service.

Not to create a thread drift, but this is one of the primary reasons I have against our funding of hostile immigrants without proof of true eligibility. It is like slapping our military people in the face. IMHO.

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: seagull

I was referencing the orders to soldiers not to do anything. That we can do something about. The cultural thing is a bit problematic, doesn't mean we shouldn't try.

I understood that, but what could be done to end a practice that has been accepted for centuries?

That would probably blow up in our face worse than anything that has yet concerning Afghanistan.

I say we expose their centuries of child raping faces on every TV screen with pedophile in red scrolling along the bottom. They may brag about it among themselves and others of like mind, but I highly doubt they will launch a successful media campaign in their defense. Let every Afghan ME, muslim whoever, everyone damn one be shamed and pressured with worldwide media attention. I want to see them interviewed and proudly exclaim their boy raping pedophilia cultures to us. How many do you think will be excited to get in front of the camera of world opinion and inform us of this cultural norm?

a reply to: NoAngel2u

You may be surprised. They have a very strong and politically invested team of lawyers that would make life a living hell for anyone that would dare speak against their culture.

Ask Dr. Ben Carson, how speaking out worked for him. The truth does not always hold water in a court of law.

a reply to: jhn7537

THAT'S why they shoot themselves as well,not to mention the tender and LOVING way Progs embrace warriors.

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

Not to mention aiding enemy deployment WORLD WIDE as a wonderful outcome.

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
a reply to: NoAngel2u

You may be surprised. They have a very strong and politically invested team of lawyers that would make life a living hell for anyone that would dare speak against their culture.

Ask Dr. Ben Carson, how speaking out worked for him. The truth does not always hold water in a court of law.

Then, let's plaster pictures of our military leaders who have issued these "look the other way" orders, damaging the hearts and minds of our soldiers. There's needs to be some shaming going on! Not this complicit oh well bull#.

The greatest problem is the leadership of THIS country being weak, disgusting spineless bags of worthless flesh. It's why they can great others as worthless. Comes natural.

a reply to: NoAngel2u

You would have to have self respect or nationalist respect at least,it's not in VOGUE these days.

a reply to: DeathSlayer

So the United States removed Taliban the small molesters to install big molesters

Nice

originally posted by: Antidisestablishment
This reminds me of an excellent movie called "The Kite Runner", which I'm sure you can find online. It's worth a watch. In it, a young boy is kidnapped and sexually abused by a Taliban member. It's pretty harrowing. I don't understand the link between Islam and paedophilia.

You need to do research into pedophilia and it's history. What you will find is a very continued push to control your mind and it's view. Really it's a matter of sex throughout history.

America was a fairly open society until the Victorian Era which we are stuck squarely in when it comes to sex. The Victorian Era pushed us into the Puritanical view of sex.

In fact, over the years the age of consent has constantly been moved - why?
1. People use to attend school until about 8th grade (14/15) and then seek jobs
2. They would work along-side adults in various jobs and trades
3. We (America and western cultures) have artificially created an extension of childhood called adolescence
4. This coincided with the increase in school years and the advent of the new school system - Horace Mann and the obedient worker system brought over from Prussia
5. We've constantly taken responsibility away from them and not allowed them to fail
6. This also causes the teen angst and rebellion as they try desperately to assert their adult feelings/desires

Much of what I just said comes from this link: Psychology Today - Trashing Teens

We really need to stop being disgusted by everything and start learning. Otherwise we are doomed. I'm not saying you have to be okay with what's happening in Afghanistan or allow it here. But Americans are increasingly close-minded, egotistical, and easily offended that it is a recipe for disaster.

originally posted by: WCmutant

originally posted by: Antidisestablishment
This reminds me of an excellent movie called "The Kite Runner", which I'm sure you can find online. It's worth a watch. In it, a young boy is kidnapped and sexually abused by a Taliban member. It's pretty harrowing. I don't understand the link between Islam and paedophilia.

You need to do research into pedophilia and it's history. What you will find is a very continued push to control your mind and it's view. Really it's a matter of sex throughout history.

America was a fairly open society until the Victorian Era which we are stuck squarely in when it comes to sex. The Victorian Era pushed us into the Puritanical view of sex.

In fact, over the years the age of consent has constantly been moved - why?
1. People use to attend school until about 8th grade (14/15) and then seek jobs
2. They would work along-side adults in various jobs and trades
3. We (America and western cultures) have artificially created an extension of childhood called adolescence
4. This coincided with the increase in school years and the advent of the new school system - Horace Mann and the obedient worker system brought over from Prussia
5. We've constantly taken responsibility away from them and not allowed them to fail
6. This also causes the teen angst and rebellion as they try desperately to assert their adult feelings/desires

Much of what I just said comes from this link: Psychology Today - Trashing Teens

We really need to stop being disgusted by everything and start learning. Otherwise we are doomed. I'm not saying you have to be okay with what's happening in Afghanistan or allow it here. But Americans are increasingly close-minded, egotistical, and easily offended that it is a recipe for disaster.

Are you really going to compare that with sexual abuse. Really? Sorry, it doesn't compare. I've known quite a few young adults, whose life pretty destroyed from being raped as a child. Guess you're saying if they were in that culture they would have normality from it. FFS.

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: dreamingawake

Don't kid yourself people kill themselves from having to do NOTHING while that happened.
It's why some vets seem not to HAVE feelings ,they were scortched away like this.

Wait, what? No where was I kidding myself. Don't kid yourself on that!

a reply to: WCmutant

We really need to stop being disgusted by everything and start learning. Otherwise we are doomed. I'm not saying you have to be okay with what's happening in Afghanistan or allow it here. But Americans are increasingly close-minded, egotistical, and easily offended that it is a recipe for disaster.

I am always open to learning, especially about things of which I have no prior knowledge. I have on occasion learned of things that were difficult for me to understand and things that have created an unpleasant visceral response for me. I don't allow those unfortunate experiences to hinder my search for information and knowledge. I say all of this to preface my few questions.

What is it that you feel that we as American have not learned and we need to learn? I agree that some things we find disgusting are difficult for many to acknowledge, let alone seek information about. But, what particularly disgusting things are you referring to?

I felt compelled to respond to your post, but I realized that my original response was based on things I thought you said, but the actual words were not there. So as not to make the mistake of responding to what I think you meant, I had to ask a few questions first, to remain true to what you are saying.

a reply to: DeathSlayer

The Obama Administration is Directly Responsible for those Orders to the U.S. Military . Not Only is the U.S. Economy in Danger of Collapsing due to Washington's Fixation with Socialism , but it seems they are also Morally Bankrupt to boot,,,,,,,,,,,,

Heard about this in the news and stumbled across the wrong article while googling. Now this story reminds me of the cases of soldiers raping children in front of the natives. It's kind of a parallel I'd see in a church setting where there might be a historic epidemic of priests raping their altarboys like at the vatican but then missionaries in some other country rather focus on stopping it in the other country than their own home country.