Germany Police Shoot Berlin Islamist After Knife Attack

a reply to: TechniXcality

We are at war with an intangible thing yes, a war that does nothing but breed more of what we are fighting as we kill more and more innocent people.
The culture does not breed it, if it did we would see constant attacks. Instead it is on par with all the other crazies of the world. The war we have breeds the hate though.
What I asked was how this one incident removes all the doubt like you said, care to answer that part?

Very soon these ones and two card arguments will become a thing of the past, much like the rising of Isis was not taken seriously. Now there aren't any questions- or anyone who says oh it's just a few extremists cutting off heads

How does this one guy who has been in germany for 20 years show this?

a reply to: Sremmos80

Post the numbers not just the source, and the relevant time period. Otherwise it's an information overload and a quanity vs quality style argument.

a reply to: grainofsand

That's the type of thinking that will get us nowhere, ever. Let's see, as an American every time we invade a country, I'm told that we're going there to liberate these people — whether they want it or not — and the same crap is fed to the citizens of other countries who join in our debacles.

It's funny that we care so much when the answer is to sacrifice the lives and soldiers and spend trillions of dollars to bomb the s# out of countries but when people are actually seeking the help of Western countries, our false ideals are *poof* nowhere to be found.

I'm not denying that religion is used to justify terrorism or that a large percentage of the current religiously inspired/justified terrorism isn't associated with Islam though I think an argument could be made that in many cases, even with "Islamic Terrorists" that they're actually more political in nature than religious when you get right down to it.

What I'm arguing is that the answer isn't to continue making grievous mistakes because of emotional knee-jerk reactions, mistakes that will continue to make radicalizing more new militants increasingly easier.

Typical right-wing BS rhetoric on your part though, all fear and hate mongering masquerading as reasoned arguments and nothing in the way of actual solutions. That's why so many of the less intelligent right-wingers are always stupidly spouting crap like "we should just bomb the whole middle-east!" (genocide).

a reply to: TechniXcality

If you have issue with what is posted then show it, outside of that the numbers are in the sources if you read them you will see it.

I showed my claim, if you want to refute it be my guest.

a reply to: Sremmos80

Ah, I see, you're splitting hairs now....

Ok, he wasn't an asylum seeker, he was an asylum finder, considering it was granted.

Either way, that was not really my point.

Again, I'll explain....

If what IS have claimed is true and they are smuggling in Jihadi's amongst the migrants and they are granted asylum status, then how on earth are they going to deal with the problem if they cannot deport them?

My point had not a great deal to do with this specific fellow, but rather the over-arching problem posed.

Get it now? Probably not..

a reply to: Sremmos80

It's not just one guy,we are at war! Attacks happen reguarly around the world by groups we are at war with that fall under the same banner ISLAMIC TERRORISM. Only in this war would you be called a racist to say you don't want the presiding culture to mass exodus into your lands unchecked and free flowing to country of choice.It's like all strategic thinking has gone out the window..

a reply to: Sremmos80

Post the numbers near the source,I'm not reading through all your sources to gather that information, a quality argument that has merit would have already done that. Your just throwing large amounts of data around and saying'"see I'm right" no your not, post the damn numbers.

a reply to: stumason
Is showing the facts really splitting hairs? Huh that is new. Not my fault you either deliberately didn't post he already had his status or just missed it for some reason.
I get what you are getting at.
Just fail to see how someone that has been there long before any of this was going on and was probably vetted using different guidelines can show that for a fact the people we see now are terrorist, it doesn't work like that.

@ Sremmos80

I raise you 2000 Brit's who are fighting for ISIS which is an enemy of the UK:
First easy search

Muslim MP: 2,000 Britons fighting for Islamic State

Labour MP Khalid Mahmood says 2,000 jihadists have travelled to Syria and Iraq from the UK - a fourfold increase on official estimates

...this is from an opposition Member of Parliament who is Muslim.
I can't imagine the agenda he may have to lie, can you?

So, up to 2000 Brit's joining a terrorist group which is an enemy of the UK. It's your turn again, show me at least a thousand British Christians or even Hindu's or Sikh's who are fighting with for an enemy of the UK.
You can't, we both know that, but hey, keep your blinkers on lol.

a reply to: theantediluvian

Not really what I was talking about, was it?

I wasn't saying that all these migrants are Jihadi's, I was bringing up the point that if people are granted asylum status and turn out to be terrorists, then that country that has accepted them is stuck with them. Given the volume that Germany proposes to accept, there is a good chance IS (if what they say is true) have infiltrated a good number which the Germans, upon granting asylum status, are stuck with.

It seems to me you and your friend (who also has reading comprehension issues) are trying to paint the situation that I am some kind of racist or bigot attempting to portray all Muslims as terrorists. That is not the case.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: stumason
Is showing the facts really splitting hairs? Huh that is new. Not my fault you either deliberately didn't post he already had his status or just missed it for some reason.
I get what you are getting at.
Just fail to see how someone that has been there long before any of this was going on and was probably vetted using different guidelines can show that for a fact the people we see now are terrorist, it doesn't work like that.

I'm sorry, what?

Deliberately didn't post it? I mentioned it in my OP for fudge sake!

And as I said in my other post, I am not trying to paint Muslims as potential terrorists - I am concerned that if any of them are IS infiltrators and are granted asylum status, they cannot be deported.

a reply to: TechniXcality

LOL, so since you don't want to read the sources I have to show you it?
Sorry, it is right there if you want to read them. The numbers are in there, so read them in the full context of the articles.

You are called a racist when you classify all these people terrorist based on their skin color and where they are from.

Keep bringing up the war part like it some how changes things, the war is of our own creation.
Our ally Saudi is the biggest sponsor of all of this and we do nothing about it but complain about what they create.
We destabilize the areas and then arm rebels and wonder why this all happens.

I am asking how this one man is proof of what you said, something you have yet to answer outside of 'we are at war'

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: theantediluvian


Hundreds have left the UK alone to go fight for ISIS.

Given what IS stands for, I wonder why they needed to go to Syria? It should have been the last port of call for these terrorists. I guess though had they attempted mayhem in the UK.......?

originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: grainofsand

Typical right-wing BS rhetoric on your part though, all fear and hate mongering masquerading as reasoned arguments and nothing in the way of actual solutions.

Oh dear, 'fear' and 'hate' the two most inappropriately overused words by people who fail to have a reasoned argument without emotion clouding their judgement.

Go through my post history for today alone, never mind the last few weeks, I am advocating a 1% raise in UK income tax to raise £5.5 Billion each year to protect these people in quality conditions in the region.
It is easy for the UN to care for these people if Western governments stump up the cash to pay for it in the region.

Now, who is fearful or full of hate? Not me, your argument is lame. I am offering the most sensible solutions instead of encouraging people to risk their lives crossing seas with people smugglers.
Cut the lame empotional fear and hate argument fella, it is lame.

a reply to: stumason

Well you posted what your source was not saying.

I don't want IS agents getting asylum either, but just saying that using one guy that got it long ago does not show that it will happen to day.

a reply to: grainofsand

Never said that people weren't going over there, agree that is happening.
Just that the attacks on people are not being overwhelming carried out by them.

Also looks like that 2000 is one mans opinion.
www.ibtimes.co.uk...
The authorities say there are 500 British jihadists, but the likely figure is at least three to four times that," he said. "I think 2,000 is a better estimate. My experience in Birmingham is it is a huge, huge problem."

Why did the police need to shoot him? He only had a knife. Even still, they could have just shot his toe off or something and that probably would've stopped him.

Hopefully somebody will make a move in Germany to ban guns so this never happens again. Having one of the most stringent set of gun laws in Europe should have been enough to prevent this, since we all know that banning guns entirely prevents all crime. Very hard to understand how something like this happened even though guns are tightly controlled there.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: stumason

Well you posted what your source was not saying.

I don't want IS agents getting asylum either, but just saying that using one guy that got it long ago does not show that it will happen to day.

Hang on - I posted in my OP that he was a registered asylum seeker - or asylum finder if you will, considering he got it. My "source" also says it. So, at what point did I say what my source was not saying?

And, once again, I was merely raising the point that asylum seekers cannot be deported, meaning that even if they are convicted, we're stuck with them when they're released to offend again. Given the volume of asylum seekers entering Europe, that is potentially a lot of criminal and terrorist elements that cannot be returned.

And, for clarity, I care not what colour their skin is or what Sky monster they worship.

We'll never win the war on terror until we become something that even terrorists would be afraid to piss off.

a reply to: Sremmos80

Cool, I'm happy to run with the 500 figure.
Now show me 500 British Christians/Sikh's/Hindu's who are fighting overseas for a terrorist group which is a declared enemy of the UK.
You can't. My original statements stand well.