Lets settle contrails vs nano dispersion

originally posted by: 2giveup
a reply to: theMediator

Great post. Research where the word chemtrails comes from. It is used to label the topic a conspiracy. Also used in many posts to disprove nano dispersion. I personally try to not use it. The only way to determine the difference is with independent air quality studies. I tried to simplify the dabate but no one seems to get the concept of experiment..vs filling in useless data to disprove it.tired of seeing this argument from ignorance garbage. They are so smart that they don't even know what they are doing doesn't disprove it it just explains what it could possibly be. This is a con confusion tactic. Sounds good but is it how science works? I think not.

Awesome, you've got them finally. I can't wait for you to post the science that proves them wrong. How does it work, what do we do now? How do we test the air?

a reply to: network dude
Why the word chemtrails? Chemtrails do not exist. You seem to be able to qoute contrail science like scripture almost as if god himself told you, but you can not do a simple search on the data you are requesting. ?? Ignorance is no excuse. Quit discrediting all your previous posts by retracting thisquestion. Lol you crack me up lmao. Do you even think for yourself.? Iguess we know how you learnthings. You sit and wait for someone to tell you. If you can not figure out how to determine the differnce between con trails and nano dispersion trails .please leave the discussion.you are a great debater why play dumb now? Lol still lmao @ you.

originally posted by: 2giveup
a reply to: network dude
Why the word chemtrails? Chemtrails do not exist. You seem to be able to qoute contrail science like scripture almost as if god himself told you, but you can not do a simple search on the data you are requesting. ?? Ignorance is no excuse. Quit discrediting all your previous posts by retracting thisquestion. Lol you crack me up lmao. Do you even think for yourself.? Iguess we know how you learnthings. You sit and wait for someone to tell you. If you can not figure out how to determine the differnce between con trails and nano dispersion trails .please leave the discussion.you are a great debater why play dumb now? Lol still lmao @ you.

I thought I was going to see science!!! You didn't even do a microphone drop!

a reply to: 3danimator2014

Well i have researched and this iis a touchy topic for my uncle who had a part in designing the airtraffic roadways. There are a huge number of planes that just zig zag the skies outside of normal air traffic. Why do it in patterns? Why sometimes multiple jets in same area.? Certian nano parcticles can combine withe others to create new complex molecules. Remember this technology is new and secretive. A few years back there where very few places to even view what this stuff is doing on a nano level. Many scientists are very concerned on its side affects.the military has updated their info and have plans in place for exposure to nano tech. Stay on topic its simple to research it correctly reputible air quality testing. Before during and after suspicious activity. Very little on the net that i consider accurate.

originally posted by: 2giveup
a reply to: 3danimator2014

Well i have researched quote]

Then show us your research and save the made up stories for another time.

a reply to: network dude
It does not explain what people are seeing. It is also a possible of what people are seeing. Quit confusing people. From here on out i suggest you tag with "IT COULD BE WHAT PEOPLE ARE SEEING" your debate is hegelian dialect. You are trying to set the stage. Some one gets shot in your hood was never any prior violence in your hood. Media asks"why do you live in a bad area?" the stage has been set. Off topic but relevant to your post.

a reply to: 2giveup

This post was to provoke free thinking and how one actually can experiment to determine what is persisting in the air. There are plenty of independent air tests. Some good some bad some debunked only on the grounds of their reputation. Plenty of public city hall meetings with people holding up these tests.they have no need to prove it to anyone other then someone who can do something about it. I just pose the idea what people do with it is on them. Pick it apart disect it rebutle it. Blast it with scientific data then play dumb when some one suggests the accurate way of proving/disproving it.

a reply to: anton74
I only pose the idea.lmao i like how you revert back. For the others who do not get your joke. Pick up a phonebook. Find a company that provides air quality tests. Then pickup phone. Lol no need to continue. I am not a movement kinda guy i just plant the seed.

a reply to: anton74stay on topic

Clearly you dont get it. Trying to provoke thought on how one goes about the real way to debunk or prove the trails we see. Why would i ever post science that i have not done myself? I would never know if it was accurate.so me posting the air tests i had done would do what? I prefer a world where people do things for themselfs. Versus off the sweat of others. There was also another motive why i posted this topic.?????? What could that motive be? just tryin to level the playing field and see whos in the game. I will not be returning to ats under this username again. I have got what i needed.i still will try and provoke free thought and people finding things out in the real world. On to the next conspiracy now ecuase i know most of employees are topic specific.

originally posted by: anton74

originally posted by: 2giveup
a reply to: 3danimator2014

Well i have researched quote]

Then show us your research and save the made up stories for another time.[/quote
Read my reply to anton it explains why. I havent made up anything. Wow how touchy you people get when told to think and do things for yourself. Rebel to the bitter end huh.? Its amazing when someone actually tries to get people to do air quality tests. Only true way to disprove it so why are you so against it?

originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: deadeyedick
a reply to: 3danimator2014

It is not concern for earth I am getting at here but the ignorance of many that skip over details of the conspiracy in order to try to form an argument that proves something is not real.

It is a fact that i.c.e. engines leave chemtrails when they run.

The thing about this site is that when a conspiracy is properly debunked then the topic gets moved to other forums where everyone can know the case is closed.

I rail on over the fact that so many tell them selves they know 100% that chemtrails are real and they treat others as though they are stupid for thinking it is still a conspiracy.

I am here to remind those that no matter how much pride they show in their debate skills the fact remains that they have yet to close the case even though they continue to mock and ridicule anyone that stands against them. sad

But we know exhaut is emitted. Not a single one of us is pretending otherwise. We are specifically talking about other types of chemtrails (not defined by us by the way, but put forward by chemtrail believers and pushers)

So, either get on board with that, or we have nothing to discuss mate. Planes =emit exhaust and that consists of chemicals. Condensation trails are made of ice and ice is water which is a chemical. We all agree (i can speak for the others on this matter) . Ok, we done?

What specifically is your point?

Off topic. Do not usethe word chemtrail on my topic. The dispersion of nano particles suspended in aerosol is acceptable. come on you guys show me some air quality tests this will put this topic where it belongs.

a reply to: Aloysius the Gaul your on the post i created stay on topic or leave. I guees i will just flag all the off topic crap. So if this has been debunked why has it not been moved .i want to see air quality tests. To disprove it. Anything else is just filler and sounds good.

a reply to: deadeyedick

Try not to use the word chemtrails. It is used to discredit nano dispersion which can be suspended in the fuel.
Half these guys are paid .but that doesn't prove it to be true it only reinforces my belief. The science they spew does not debunk it. It is only a possible answer. Believers are held to a different standard..the only way to disprove it is with air quality tests. On a local level you might be able to get a hearing and the county might conduct a test. I have asked for a reverse fact finding effort. To try and say you can't prove something that doesn't exist is a lie.we aren't talking about god .
Just take a look at the people here .I have actually been followed to a different site. A lot of government IP's herr.

a reply to: 2giveup

Believers are held to a different standard..the only way to disprove it is with air quality tests.

No. Such tests would only prove that something was not happening at the particular time the testing was done. So, no, testing could not prove it is not happening.
www.bouldercounty.org...


On the other hand, testing could prove that it is happening. The ball would seem to be in your court. Prove it is happening.
People have been trying to do so for a couple of decades now. Nothing to show for it but arm waving.

a reply to: 2giveup

If you are proposing that nano dispersion is happening then it's it's up to you to demonstrate that it is. There is nothing hypocritical in that position. If I tell you that I am a paid government agent, is it up to you to prove that I am not? What a ridiculous position you are taking.

On the other hand, "I say this is happening, you can't prove a negative so I win" is either dishonest or retarded logic, which are you?

Plus, it was the scammers themselves that put forward "chemtrails" so your notion that it was only used to mock believers is plain wrong. If you don't want the word chemtrail used in your thread, stop making up stories about it.

a reply to: 2giveup

We all want the trails tested. But none of us think there is anything more than ice crystals there, so testing to find exactly what we think it there would be a bit pointless for us. Now you, on the other hand, seem to think there are all sorts of evil things up there. There may well be. But.....the only way for you to prove that is to get tests done at altitude. Go fund me is a great way to gather money for something like this. Hell, if you set up a viable way to do the testing, I may even contribute some. But to come out and claim anything other than ideas or thoughts on this is ignorant. All we know for fact is that contrails exist, they can persist, and have had that capability since powered flight began. When someone points to physical proof, it's usually a picture or video of something that looks a lot like a contrail.

Nobody says it couldn't happen, they/we are saying it's likely not happening, and what we see is exactly what we expect to see based on known science. So you either need new science, or new testing. But the key player here is you, not us. SO please tone down the rhetoric and find some facts. Hyperbole is old and played.

a reply to: 2giveup
I will be convinced whenever they can successfully predict the trails.

Or at the least go back and show the conditions that allow the formation and time.

Until then they are full of it.

a reply to: deadeyedick

We have had a few members do that. You have to know how to read the weather balloon soundings and I sure don't.
But most good meteorologists should be able to. Have you ever tried to communicate with your local news weatherguy?

a reply to: deadeyedick

I will be convinced whenever they can successfully predict the trails.

Or at the least go back and show the conditions that allow the formation and time.

Until then they are full of it.

You can predict it will happen, but that is all you get if they happen then they are right...if they don't they are wrong.

That's why they are called predictions and not guarantees.

But here you a neat little tool for you to use...to forecasting contrails. And it even shows you history of contrail forecasting.

cloudsgate2.larc.nasa.gov...

Guess they aren't as full of it as you seem to think.