Part 1: The Eye in the Pyramid

On 29 July, in the twelfth indiction [1014, Xiphias and his men] descended suddenly on the Bulgarians, from behind and screaming battle cries. Panic stricken by the sudden assault [the Bulgarians] turned to flee, while the emperor broke through the abandoned wall. Many [Bulgarians] fell and many more were captured; Samuel barely escaped from danger with the aid of his son, who fought nobly against his attackers, placed him on a horse, and made for the fortress known as Prilep. The emperor blinded the Bulgarian captives -- around 15,000 they say -- and he ordered every hundred to be led back to Samuel by a one-eyed man.

The Battle of Kleidion, 29 July 1014
Ioannes Scylitzes, Historia, pg. 458





Hello and welcome to my very first full thread, denizens of ATS! If you have found your way here then you are surely well acquainted with the antique symbol of the Eye in the unfinished Pyramid. It has been prolifically abundant throughout all forms of media, particularly in hollywood movies, among wealthy music artists, and even in children's cartoons.





It is not my intention to document every instance in movies, music, and television, but the curious mind will find hundreds of examples. No one can deny the Eye in the Pyramid is hidden everywhere - which is all the more curious because despite being Egyptian symbolism... there has NEVER been any actual archaeological discovery depicting it!



When it comes to groups desiring power, symbolism is best. You can explain it one way to the initiates and a different way to the average person. Tell each what they want to hear! And that's how psychological warfare runs smoothly - if you do it right, you will create allies but no enemies, and no one will be wise to your real intentions.

Using psychology and history I am going to delve into the archetypal symbolism of this icon to break down its true meaning. This is going to be as much a history lesson as it is a psychology study, with some tinfoil hat at the end to alleviate boredom.

I'm finally here to expand on ideas I have been saying for a while. This is the result of over 30 hours work, including 17 hours straight writing from midnight to 7pm on 10 Sept 2015, and many more on top of that reading and compiling.

As there are many pages of content, 3 hours of video, and dozens of source papers, please do not comment until I am done posting. Enjoy

___________________________Pyramid



Pyramids have mystified mankind for ages, inspiring awe and wonder in all who witness them. The western world has been enamoured since detailed information was brought back to Europe by Napoleon. But ancient travellers just as well enjoyed their grandeur. To say the sheer size and magnitude of the build is impressive would be an understatement.

How they were built is not our topic, though Herodotus recorded a rather mundane method (Book 2-124, Book 2-126, Book 2-127).

Expertly illustrated in The World's Last Mysteries


More important is its purpose, which has everything to do with who built it.




_________Purpose

Most people, religious or not, have accepted the idea that the pyramids were constructed by means of slave labour. Those that think this way believe the notion that the Hebrews were the slaves to the pharaoh and thus made the pyramids.

That is incorrect, as the Hebrew language bible does not use the term slaves, but rather calls them "labourers". It actually alludes in several places that they were compensated, primarily in shelter and food, as they were previously nomadic. (Source: Richard Gabriel, Royal Military College of Canada, tv show Battles BC)

Egypt paid its labourers primarily in BEER - the english word "cash" descends from the egyptian word "Kash", which was in reference to beer, when used as payment. Interesting enough, the British Empire also paid its soldiers in beer, and India Pale Ale was invented because their regular beer would denature in the Indian climate. (I was taught this in School at Labatt Headquarters). But this is regardless of the fact that the pyramids were built before the Hebrews were even there.

While Herodotus claimed 100,000 men worked around the sundial on it, Petrie estimated the local barracks could have housed 4,000 men, which is a more likely sized permanent force. These were professional artisans and engineers. But there were certainly countless thousands more farmers working during the flood season.


So why would the pharaoh want unskilled labourers working on his monument? During the several months of the flood season, farmers had nothing to do. Traditionally they just went around and killed each other. Raids on neighbouring tribes prevented the country from expanding into an empire. Pharaohs needed a unifying project to not only stay idle hands, but to give bored farmers a sense of purpose.



This explains why so much of their mythology revolves around the forces of order (maat) defeating chaos.


Incidentally, the waters from which the mythic primeval Mound of the Universe emerged were called the Waters of Chaos. So their pyramids represented the Primeval Hill that rose from the waters of the receding Nile.


Case in point, the mound of Order was emulated by a synthetic mound of unifying order over tribes of farmers.

But why build them so big and complicated? Though I believe they were for initiation rites, this could have been accomplished with far smaller constructs. I surmise that the pharaoh needed a massive, long-term project, to ensure order during every flood season. This would also explain why Seneferu built THREE PYRAMIDS!

Some people wrongly argue that Egyptian pyramids evolved out of nothing and represent a sudden leap in architecture that can only be attributable to aliens; but the truth is that they owe to the extensive development period of the Sumerians.


Accordingly, the Sumerians built Ziggurats as representations of their Sacred Mountains


which they believed held up the sky in their spherical Worldview.

Thus, the mountains were the home of the gods.

Mountains, and mountain-building, are universal. Consider the Incan Machu Picchu, why is it built in such a ridiculous location? Simply because it is situated in the centre of the 4 highest mountains in the region (39 mins in). Hella sacred.

So if pyramids are manmade sacred mountains, why make the faces triangular?




_________Triangle Symbolism

The triangle is the expression of the number 3. It represents deliberation, in the sense that Once is Incidence, Twice is Coincidece, Thrice is Intention. As such it is the manifest of god, because creation is generally considered intentional (though my parents may say otherwise).

Imagine yourself walking through the forest. You come across 2 sticks, parallel or in a cross. They could have been put like this deliberately, but equally could have fallen that way. But what if you found 3 parallel sticks, or a triangle formation? You'd likely assume it was intentional.

Due to its nature of intention, Three has been extrapolated into philosophical principles, including Thought-Word-Action, Incidence-Coincidence-Intention, and the Hegelian dialectic Thesis-Antithesis-Synthesis.

The m@sons agree with me:


Albert Pike describes it in Morals and Dogma pg 87-88:

Now the Egyptians arranged their deities in Triads--the FATHER or the Spirit or Active Principle or Generative Power; the MOTHER, or Matter, or the Passive Principle, or the Conceptive Power; and the SON, Issue or Product, the Universe, proceeding from the two principles. These were OSIRIS, ISIS, and HORUS. In the same way, PLATO gives us Thought the Father; Primitive Matter the Mother; and Kosmos the World, the Son, the Universe animated by a soul. Triads of the same kind are found in the Kabalah."

He thence relates it to Plutarch speaking about the mathematical meaning behind it, which I have illustrated for you:


The triangle is an expression of math, and math is considered to be the language of god. The triangle symbolises intention, creation, and the sacred trinity - mother-father-child.

We're now left with answering why the apocryphal image has a pyramid with the capstone hovering above. And why is it gold with an eye, when no resemblance has ever been found, let alone attested to? Let's dissect the inherent archetypal symbolism of each.

_________Gold Symbolism

As all ancient peoples worshipped the sun for its life-giving heat, light, and safety, gold became a natural physical representation. Its eye-catching shininess draws attention, and catches light (or as Albert Pike relates on pg65 of Morals and Dogma, "Gold, to the eyes of the Initiates, is Light condensed"). Gold is the physical form of the sun.



Gold never tarnishes no matter how long its buried - which is why all the artifacts we find are just as beautiful as when they were made. Thus it also represents honour and longevity, concurrent with the symbolic immortality of the pyramid. Gold is also soft and malleable, able to take any form of the artist - evoking a sense of universality. Interesting enough it is one of the few metals that will not be rejected by the body, and the Egyptians used it for dental work.

Gold represents the sun, light, longevity/immortality, royalty, and nobility.




_________Separation Symbolism

The obvious symbolism is that the construct is an unfinished labour. However, it goes deeper. Physical separation is an archetypal symbol that simply enough denotes figurative separation. (Conversely, the lack of a barrier/fence between things represents fond intimacy). In this case we have a representation of the clear disparity between the rulers and the rest of society.

In Egypt the rulers were initially tribal chieftains tasked with protecting small areas. In the primitive fashion known around the world, they were elected for their physical size and ability.


Eventually they would evolve into the totalitarian "superintendent of all things which heaven gives and the earth produces", presiding over the hierarchy of Egyptian society.


This went down to the vizier, then the chancellor, and the nomarchs, followed by the soldiers, all the way down through professions to the captives of military excursions, used as labourers or auxiliaries.



Not only a lavish lifestyle

but the power over life and death. The power of a god.

Monarchs throughout the world deified themselves in a lapse towards narcissistic egotism, wishing not only to be immortalised, but to be worshipped by the peasants who believed them to be divine.

Pharaohs enjoyed revelling in grandiosity and outdoing the previous monarch's scale; some even usurping the previous pharaoh's monuments, claiming their achievements. Architecture stands as a monument to godlike power over slaves and nature, a man convincing other men to toil for his luxury. A quest to attain immortality even though individuals don't last.











___________________________Eye

We move now to the next half of the icon. Chances are if you're reading this right now, you've got eyes. The eye is the archetypal symbol for knowledge, as sight (like knowledge) brings awareness of the world. The brain, depository of knowledge, just so happens to resemble the Egyptian Eye of Horus (also called Re, or Wadjet). This may be why they use a stylistic depiction with extensions.


So why depict just one? Surely god has two eyes. Many Egyptian inscriptions show two:


To the Egyptians the sun was the watchful eye of the sky god - variously Re, or Horus, or Aten. The moon was his left eye. In the most famous tale of Horus, he lost an eye in battle with Seth (chaos/darkness), thus making the moon dimmer than the sun. There is another important reason for only depicting one eye, but that's for the end.

Intriguingly enough the hieroglyphic symbol of an unadorned eye (ir.i) means TO MAKE or TO DO. Doesnt that fit nicely with the separate capstone? The eye is making, finishing, the unfinished pyramid, the Order, the empire.



This just leaves one last question before the summary: why do we still depict the eye of Horus? I could understand the eye of a god of a modern faith, but why Horus?

___________________________Horus/Narmer

As above we know that Horus contested with Seth in a protracted battle. Horus lost an eye and Seth suffered castration in revenge. Horus was declared ultimate victor and pronounced king of all Egypt.


We all know that mythology is not to be taken literally... but simultaneously it is often an archetyped view of real events. History is twisted into art in order to appease memory. In this case we have an instance of Lower Egypt conquering the realm of Upper Egypt (in the south) and vice versa.


This privilege falls on Narmer. On his palette he is depicted smiting a defeated enemy with the sacred club, something that later pharaohs would adopt in rituals such as "The Smashing of the Antiu". Nearby is the falcon Horus, clearly representing Narmer himself. The falcon holds the captive tethered by the nose. The bolster it is attached to represents a country, as there are 6 papyrus plants growing out of it: the symbol of Lower Egypt.






Now on the rear of the palette we see Narmer wearing the crown of Lower Egypt, being led by standard bearers to an area of decapitated enemies. Below we see two defeated captives restraining two long-necked lions. This may be their country's animal symbol, or may represent two countries intertwining. I think the former, because below we see a sacred bull trampling a defeated man. Judging by the sacred bulls at the top of the palette, I'd guess that it is a sacred animal of Narmer's land.



Thus Narmer acquired the crowns of Upper and Lower Egypt. He is the uniter. Archaeology confirms this. After his Predynastic period there develops a unique Egyptian identity with advanced forms of writing, kingship, religion, and art.



Narmer - Horus - created order out of chaos, synthesized through a Hegelian dialectic of brutal conquest and enforced unity. But hey, his methodology didn't die out with him, or even with the end of the pharaohs. For on the other half of the dollar bill we find Horus resurrected, like the mighty Phoenix, in the guise of the predatory bird of the new land.


Horus, though, held the lands of Upper and Lower Egypt in his claws. The eagle ominously grasps arrows and olive branches - the symbols of war and peace. It evokes the threat of the Romans to the Cartaginians - "We bring you peace or war, you may take whichever you choose. It matters not to Rome."








___________________________Summary

The Eye in the Pyramid is a composite, enigmatic, modern symbol composed of ancient parts. The pyramid represents immortality, hierarchical power, and creation. It stands as a monument to godlike power over slaves and nature, a man convincing other men to toil for his luxury. A quest to attain immortality even though individuals don't last. And more than anything, it represents ORDER.

The separate capstone represents both the godlike status above the slaves, and the unfinished work. The gold represents royalty, longevity, and knowledge. The eye in it represents an action, to finish that pyramid, as well as knowledge.

So what is the synthesis? An unfinished work of uniting a hierarchical empire under a new order, with the men at the top as gods, using their knowledge to keep in power, while keeping the world below them blind.

For the one eye has the most important meaning of all.

___________________________Proofs of a Conspiracy

Knowing the archetypal symbolism involved gives us a clue into the goals and thoughts of the holder. Think of it as conscious dream interpretation. However, it is unwise to assume everyone who employs a symbol knows what it means; and even if they do, they may not have malicious intent by it. They may have been seduced into believing the good aspects of it (knowledge, intent, accomplished brick-dragging)... and then maybe they genuinely believe cruel order is the only way. Unite by force, create chaos, so they beg us for order.

If this overall theory is correct, there should be real world examples to work with. Let's start big.



The Kazakh Place of Peace really, seriously exists. It doesnt get more in-your-face than this. It is a giant illuminated pyramid with a glass portion on top, making it appear to have a disconnected capstone. Inside is a massive sun-disk table for a conference of world leaders to discuss globalism. Meanwhile below, at the bottom of the pyramid, sits an opera house where the peasants watch material performances to distract from real knowledge.




Now, you all remember the Illuminati Card Game from the 90s by Steve Jackson Games?

They claimed it was a tongue in cheek joke about generic conspiracy theories, despite eerily portraying certain events correctly. Well it just so happens that their company logo is an Eye in a Pyramid.


Next we have the Israeli Supreme Court. It boasts a large eye-in-pyramid structure and, incidentally, was both funded and designed by the Rotschilds

Incidentally enough former Israeli Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion claimed that one day the world would be controlled from Jerusalem. He preached some overly idealistic notions that sound suspiciously like a bait-and-switch. Should we believe him? Im gonna go with my gut and trust a politician.


There are many hotels, airports, and monuments utilising this occult symbolism. If you are curious just search around and you will be surprised how much you find. Consider too the fact that there are 3 obelisks in New York - and they align, and point to - can you guess? The statue of Liberty, the pagan statue of Isis. The Obelisk is a symbol representing Osiris' penis, which Isis could not find when Osiris was dismembered. The "America Unearthed" episode about this is particularly astounding.



While I havent seen Skull and Bones utilize the Eye in Pyramid, I'm including them as their group utilises its meaning. Its down-to-earth, non-paranormal meaning, of men worshipping power, seeking to be gods through wealth and influence. Nowhere is this better embodied than in their slogan, "WHO WAS THE FOOL, BEGGAR OR KING? ALL'S THE SAME IN DEATH."

In German of course, because like most secret societies, it has deep roots in Bavaria. No wonder they worship Nazi regalia. (This video goes all over the place but it is one of my favourites):


It's worth noting that in 2004's election, BOTH candidates were members. What are the odds, from a society that takes under 30 members per year?

My general interpretation of Skull & Bones beliefs are as such: there are no such things as "rights", power has always been the currency of the world. They believe in survival of the fittest, and that they are simply smart for creating a system where they are perpetually the "fittest". Maybe they actually believe they're the smartest though, hence 'illuminated/enlightened'. Since they cant become gods, they have to push the disparity in the opposite direction: blind us. They simply have to know MORE than the people they wish to rule. That is why they dumb us down with propaganda, materialism, animalistic urges, so they can freely act as gods, print as much money as they wish while making us labour for it; shackle us into slavery by our ignorance, rather than with chains.

___________________________Denouement

So if these are the type of Men of Cruelty involved, what is their plan for us? I'll touch upon a few of the subjects in need of a longer future treatment. If you can judge a man by his words then it seems we are headed for a New World Order:



What that new order entails is alluded to in media and works such as the Georgia Guidestones. It seems to be focused on mind control, submission to the state, and depopulation...



GI Joe was nice enough to warn us decades in advance of a plane flying into twin towers and the deliberate devaluation of currency... And wouldn't you know it, the Cobra throne was mounted atop an unfinished pyramid!




And alongside this, worship of the State. This has always been the end goal. This is also the answer to that enigmatic question whether Hitler was a theist or an atheist... neither. He wanted absolute devotion to the State.
Albert Pike writes extensively in promotion of this ideal in Morals and Dogma. On pages 62 and 555 he says that "There is no evil that is not preferable to Anarchy" and that monarchy is ideal. He believed that tyranny was necessary, and mankind would always turn to totalitarianism eventually, so they wanted to implement their own... (pg 24):

"The freest people, like the freest man, is always in danger of re-lapsing into servitude. Wars are almost always fatal to Republics. They create tyrants, and consolidate their power. They spring, for the most part, from evil counsels. When the small and the base are intrusted with power, legislation and administration become but two parallel series of errors and blunders, ending in war, calamity, and the necessity for a tyrant. When the nation feels its feet sliding backward, as if it walked on the ice, the time has come for a supreme effort. The magnificent tyrants of the past are but the types of those of the future. Men and nations will always sell themselves into slavery, to gratify their passions and obtain revenge. The tyrant's plea, necessity, is always available; and the tyrant once in power, the necessity of providing for his safety makes him savage. Religion is a power, and he must control that. Independent, its sanctuaries might rebel. Then it becomes unlawful for the people to worship God in their own way, and the old spiritual despotisms revive."

And how does one go about creating a united one world tyranny? A one world religion. This is expressed through the New Age movement. It is heavily manipulated by the CIA, the m@sons, and by hoaxers. (For a grand expose of the entire fraudulent New Age movement, I cannot recommend the book The Stargate Conspiracy enough!)

Allow me to quote Albert Pike once again, pg 65, "Humanity has never really had but one religion and one worship. This universal light has had its uncertain mirages, its deceitful reflections, and its shadows; but always, after the nights of Error, we see it reappear, one and pure like the Sun."


Foster Bailey (husband of Alice Bailey) claimed that M@sonry was the descendent of the First World Religion and was actively working to reclaim that position. While he said that it depended on "an open mind, free from preconceived ideas and prejudices - racial and religious", both Baileys' writings on race suggest otherwise. Alice, for the record, was a New Ager who claimed to telepathically channel information from spiritually "ascended gurus".

Good ol eye-in-pyramid addict Aleister Crowley believed in the egyptian gods and that Horus was bringing in the New Age of liberal selfishness, hence "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law". Ron Hubbard of Scientology was a friend of Crowley, there is video of him saying so, and he used Egyptian symbols in his orders - his Scientology yacht has an image based off the Scarab hieroglyph on the side. You'll also find satanists and rosicrucians using the eye-in-pyramid symbol.

Most importantly of all, we are being suckered into a Media Cult where worship of god or nature has been replaced by power... replaced by celebrities:



They are the ones idolised on our walls, they are the ones we shell out money to, they are the gods of the New Age. Shining stars helping light up the top of the pyramid.
And it's probably just a coincidence... but the Sumerian word for Stars ("dingir") also meant GODS.






So there you have it. I hope ive proven to you the earthly aspect of the United Pharaohnic Order. I hope you enjoyed all the effort and solid sourcing I did and keep it in mind when future events occur. If you happen to be involved in one of the organisations previously mentioned... my only advice to you is -

Don't become so illuminated you go blind.






If there is enough interest I will continue on through the connected sequels explaining the detailed aspects of the New World Order, from aliens and Israel to the ultimate conspiracy: hypnotism. I bid you adieu.


1. The Eye in the Pyramid
2. The Media Cult of Celebrity
3. Israel: The Sacrificial Lamb
4. The Fake Alien Invasion
5. The German Connection
6. ???
7. ???
8. ???
9. ???

well done. lots of good information. some of it was new to me which was refreshing after reading and researching so much about the topic.

i would definitely look forward to consuming any further material you'd be interested in posting concerning this and any connecting topics.

in my opinion it's impossible to deny all of these connections. if you look, they are there. all over the place. even in plain sight these days. being shoved in our face left and right.

a reply to: Ridhya

What a wealth of information! This is a great thread, going to take me some time to get all the way through but this is an incredible contribution, thank you for taking the time to put it all together.

S & F

a reply to: Ridhya

No one can deny the Eye in the Pyramid is hidden everywhere - which is all the more curious because despite being Egyptian symbolism... there has NEVER been any actual archaeological discovery depicting it!

I distinctly remember reading about an artifact that was shaped like a pyramid, was engraved with a pyramid, and had an engraved eye at the top of it. Supposedly, it had sanskrit, or pre-sanskrit etched into the base. I don't know if it was a genuine artifact, but it was said to be around 6000 years old.

I've also considered a connection with Saturnalia regarding the eye and the pyramid.

S&F from me. Food for thought.

I definitely agree that it's impossible to ignore, at least when everything is compiled together. I think one of the main reasons is because it's primarily deeply religious people spouting about satanism and possession and it sounds kind of absurd. Im not going to claim demons arent behind it but, the problem with that is isolating non-religious people from it. So I wanted to show the earthly reasons for a new world order conspiracy, without using the words satan or illuminati myself.

People are so convinced that a conspiracy could not be centuries in the making without some paranormal backing but, they just dont understand the draw of wealth, and more importantly, power. People are offered fame and fortune in exchange for compliance (selling your soul metaphor). Those who choose to leave will see their careers crumble, and maybe even be killed (remember how Amy Winehouse alluded that she refused the triangle?)



This isnt even the part where im collecting all the photos but it still shows a lot of connections. Here's a teaser of part 2

a reply to: Klassified
Luckily I know what you're talking about, and there were a couple art pieces alleged to have been found in south america depicting it.



There were some people discussing it on a site I cant mention and personally, they look extremely modern to me. Either way, they are not from ancient egypt whatsoever. And no golden capstone has ever been found, or even alluded to. A black diorite work has been found, but it might not be a capstone, it may just be a tiny pyramid. And there's no eye!

The gold capstone is something pushed by the New Age movement. They were planning to put one on the Pyramid ruins in 2000!
www.greatdreams.com...


I should also add, Sanskrit wasnt even a written language until late. The Rig Veda's oral recitation goes back 4000 years plus, but they didnt even have writing until 1800bc? or so..

a reply to: Ridhya

The monarch butterfly is another symbol you see a LOT in the music industry (many of the images you posted of celebrities above is what made me think of it)

Such a great post.

Discovering these types of threads are the primary reason many of us continually wade through the often frivolous and belligerent posts of ATS. Just when it seems that all there is to read about is another school shooting or someone opposing gay marriage, a post like this comes along and reminds me why I originally was attracted to this place.

Thank you for all the work you've put into this, and I am absolutely interested in the follow-up posts you mentioned.


I have often considered joining the masons... I feel that as a pastor's son with a Biblical name, I may be a welcomed . I have always wondered what it is they do, and just how deep one most go to come upon some interesting esoteric knowledge.

a reply to: Ridhya
Yeah, that top one is it. I don't know what it's story is, but all I can find is that is isn't considered genuine by the scientific community. It wouldn't be the first fake to come out of South America, nor would it be the first artifact considered fake that may not be. I lean toward the former, because of the sanskrit. Which is a valid criticism.

Either way, a good OP, and a very down to earth approach to the topic.

a reply to: FamCore
The Butterfly is the archetypal symbol of metamorphosis (for obvious reason) and I would reason that this is used to represent their metamorphosis from lame caterpillar to awesome fame! The monarch butterfly was one of the first things to support the idea that information can be passed genetically, recently confirmed to some degree.



a reply to: anon29
Thank you, and keep in mind that being a part of a group doesnt necessitate that you are bad. There are good members of any society, there were even good nazis! (think Rommel). Never forget though, that Cult 101 is to give you some interesting information to make you think they're all-knowing, give you hints to keep you coming back for more, make you feel special (Pandering), and keep a hierarchical compartmentalization so that you have to appease them to move up.



a reply to: Klassified
Mhm, it's one of those things that is 'too good to be true', and I havent been able to find it in any museum online. If it was genuine I cant fathom Zahi Hawass not slobbering all over it. According to The Stargate Conspiracy, Hawass' education was funded by Edgar Cayces group. He permitted tons of New Age sh## to happen in the ruins, and as I noted in a post above, he was partly behind the year 2000 plan to lower a New Age golden capstone on it. These people believe Edgar Cayce was a prophet. These people are in charge of history...

originally posted by: FamCore
a reply to: Ridhya

The monarch butterfly is another symbol you see a LOT in the music industry (many of the images you posted of celebrities above is what made me think of it)

Yes, the monarch is sybolism to someone who is mind controlled. EVERY big superstars are controlled.

It was my dream to become a big rockstar for many years and now that I know the truth that they only ones that stay are controlled from tob to bottom, I am not interested anymore. I'm still writing music and hope to be "popular" but I know for fact that I will never be on the same stages than those supposed "stars".

My soul is mine, my mind in mine, I will not give in.

My songs usually speak AGAINST their control like Fear and Save Me.

in my opinion it's impossible to deny all of these connections. if you look, they are there. all over the place. even in plain sight these days. being shoved in our face left and right.

Like in avatars too ?

I immediately saw one when I read who wrote it..

Ooo....oooo....I've got an opinion (raises my hand)!!! Sometimes a symbol hints an at archetype. And sometimes a symbol is just a symbol. And especially in the past century, marketing has picked up on the economic power of symbols which is why you seem them used everywhere. There are even big $$$ studies about symbols and marketing.

Therefore, I don't think you can take symbology through the ages and whitewash it to say it points to some umbrella conspiracy. As has been mentioned a million times before, look at the swastika for example. It has been used by nearly every culture for millenia but no one outside of Hitler & the Germans saw it as a racist symbol. Now it is the poster child for white power. Who knows what it may symbolize in another 1000 years???

a reply to: Ridhya

there has NEVER been any actual archaeological discovery depicting it!

What? Oh yes it has, you just turned the blind eye to it

If you are bloodborn you have a society which teaches you, if you arent bloodborn there is a fraternity called Freemasons which copycat alot, would call them men with good character