Johns Hopkins Scientist Reveals Shocking Report on Flu Vaccines

More than the undeniable facts illustrated in compiled and correlated documentation, I don't trust THIS executive branch in charge of the CDC and just about every FedGov organization. They have also demonstrated undeniable behavior that can only have the conclusion of hatred and contempt for the vast majority of American citizens.

Just one tiny recent example: If they are willing to change the wording on the intel on ISIS to rather align with the white house narrative instead of the painful but true facts, what else is being modified everywhere else?

Since 2009 I "injected" ammunition, weapons, and many other moves not to be mentioned to protect my family and intentionally stopped all flu vaccines and other trickle down anything from the FedGov.

a reply to: SlapMonkey

I never take flu shot never will

Probably will when police start saying

Take the shot

Or take the bullet, it is mandatory, I could see this one day be reality

originally posted by: Shiloh7
a reply to: Pardon?

Read your thread and was glad your father was OK. I am especially interested because on my own ongoing illness and I suspect he will recommend the jab. What bothers me is that that people react differently to medication - some its very good, others it could even be lethal. Its the not knowing beforehand that is scary as to how one will react.

The TB one got me yanked out of school and into a sanatorium as a kid - so I am not against all vaccines at all. But its a different scenario if there is something like e.g. polio running rampant to the possibility of getting the flu - which I have only ever had once in my life. The decision for this jab is going to bother me and I expect many others out there.

The chance of you reacting badly to the flu shot is negligible.
The chance of you developing complications from the flu if you're high risk is almost a certainty.

Flu Vaccines are supposed to make you sick... It's got the "de-rated" version of Flu. Obviously, if it is injected to you, your immune system will react as if it was a fully-loaded flu and you'll have mild symptoms of flu.

I don't mean to sound like it's a good thing....

Because not every person is the same. To people with very strong immune systems, especially women, a vaccine may actually cause damage through inflammation which could damage any part of the body or worse, a run-away cytokine reaction.

Vaccines may only be good for men but women may not need it at all.

I haven't had a flu shot for over 30 years and I have only had the flu once in that time. All those around me, what has gotten it regularly..get the flu regularly, go figure. I don't get it anyway,if the flu shot works so well for those that get it...then why is it that those who get it demonize those who don't? If it works, then you should have nothing to worry about, from those who don't get it.

Well......at least there's no mention of the fallacious claims of vaccines causing autism.

Just the usual ignorant folk demonstrating their ignorance and putting natural selection to work....

I'm not against vaccines I've had my shots back when I was a kid for school just like everyone else from my generation.

But I view vaccines like cars, sure I like cars in general. The idea of them and what they can do to help people, to make their life easy or even better. But not all makes and not all models are good. Like how people like going on about how cars are just not made like they used to be, the same goes for vaccines.

originally posted by: ObjectZero
I'm not against vaccines I've had my shots back when I was a kid for school just like everyone else from my generation.

But I view vaccines like cars, sure I like cars in general. The idea of them and what they can do to help people, to make their life easy or even better. But not all makes and not all models are good. Like how people like going on about how cars are just not made like they used to be, the same goes for vaccines.

Cars are meant to get you from A to B, and they all accomplish that task. Sure a few may break down in the factory car park but its a minute number and not enough for the factory to stop producing that car as 99% of the cars work as intended.

originally posted by: Aliensun
a reply to: SlapMonkey

If the flu shot decreases your immune system's abilities, then you are open to all of the various flu types out that year, not just the one you are getting protected for. And what about other communicable diseases? Is the window opened for many other in addition to other flu types?

Like I said in the OP, I'm no expert on the immune system or communicable diseases, but one could probably logically presume that, if something lowers your IS's ability to fight infections, you're more susceptible to all kinds of illnesses until the IS comes back online fully.

But like I implied or stated in the OP (can't remember which), I only made this thread for added information to the big picture of the vaccination debate. It's up to everyone reading this to do a bit further research and not just take this article's word for it.

a reply to: lovebeck

Yeah, like it says in the linked story, it's pretty telling that people can possibly lose their jobs over not getting the flu shot.

In theory, I understand the 'why' behind people in the medical field being required to get it, but on principle, I can't back mandatory vaccines of any kind when it is against the individual's wishes.

And when there is evidence out there that shows that only 2/3 of the vaccines are effective, and that's if "they" got lucky and picked the correct strains that year, it really calls into question the "why" behind the mandates when you're basically looking at a 50/50 (or worse) chance that a vaccine will be effective any given year.

Someone shouldn't have to give up control of their body in order to help people, such as nurses and doctors.

a reply to: flice

And your body is better for having done it naturally, too, IMO.

originally posted by: IlluminatiTechnician
I haven't had a flu shot for over 30 years and I have only had the flu once in that time. All those around me, what has gotten it regularly..get the flu regularly, go figure. I don't get it anyway,if the flu shot works so well for those that get it...then why is it that those who get it demonize those who don't? If it works, then you should have nothing to worry about, from those who don't get it.

Right, but if you're perfectly healthy every year without contracting it, why should there be so many attempts at coercing me by doctors and the gov't (and even my employers) to get the shot when my health history shows that it's apparent that my body is capable of providing the defenses I need?

To keep in the spirit of the link in the OP, I must say that this does seem more like it's motivated more by money than to keep Americans healthy, because there are many other ways that don't involve a needle and a clinic to aid your body's ability to ward off and fight diseases naturally.

But, you know, some of that requires hard word and actual effort--I wonder when they'll create a vaccination that blocks Americans' apathy toward personal responsibility for their own health (other than the claimed easy fixes of pills and vaccinations).

originally posted by: Prezbo369
Well......at least there's no mention of the fallacious claims of vaccines causing autism.

Just the usual ignorant folk demonstrating their ignorance and putting natural selection to work....

Yet you make a comment without backing up your fallacious claims of ignorance?

"...putting natural selection to work" is actually a good thing, not just a negative thing, like you're implying with your ridiculous comment. You're using hyperbole to try and make a point that is neither valid nor backed up by science, and then point at others and yell 'ignorance?'

Please, back up your claim of ignorance, explain how discussing the possibility that the influenza vaccination is neither as safe or as effective as is claimed by our government or the producers of the vaccine is a demonstration of said ignorance, and prove your asinine comment about natural selection.

Do these things, and maybe I won't assume that you were looking in the mirror as you typed out your comment. I want substance on this thread, if possible, not just whiney, generalized attacks against people because their opinion may differ from yours.

Is that too much to ask?

I havent had an influenza vaccine shot since it was forced upon us during my college baseball years back in the early 2000s....

And Ive never had the flu!

I like my immune system working at its peak performance! I dont need the government to tell me whats best! No shot for me, thanks!

originally posted by: SlapMonkey

originally posted by: Prezbo369
Well......at least there's no mention of the fallacious claims of vaccines causing autism.

Just the usual ignorant folk demonstrating their ignorance and putting natural selection to work....

Yet you make a comment without backing up your fallacious claims of ignorance?

I take it you're ignoring all those making comments such as 'I aint never had a vaccination and never had the flu'.......or do you think they actually qualify as evidence?....

"...putting natural selection to work" is actually a good thing, not just a negative thing, like you're implying with your ridiculous comment. You're using hyperbole to try and make a point that is neither valid nor backed up by science, and then point at others and yell 'ignorance?'

Who are you quoting here? whoever it is sound's like a bond villain.

Please, back up your claim of ignorance, explain how discussing the possibility that the influenza vaccination is neither as safe or as effective as is claimed by our government or the producers of the vaccine is a demonstration of said ignorance, and prove your asinine comment about natural selection.

You the author of this thread have presented an anecdotal report from someone you had no prior knowledge of with a click-bait title obviously intended for the anti-vac folk so they can wallow in their irrational stance on vaccinations. You then claim 'I only made this thread for added information to the big picture of the vaccination debate.'......which is just ridiculous, dishonest and vile in this posters opinion. Is that enough?

originally posted by: tothetenthpower
a reply to: ManFromEurope

www.snopes.com...

Origins: On 17 October 2014, a natural news blog published an article claiming
that a "Johns Hopkins scientist ... issued a blistering report on influenza vaccines in the British Medical Journal (BMJ)." The article, timed to the start of flu season, spread rapidly on social media sites and sparked renewed interest in the subject of flu vaccines.

Right off the bat, it's worth noting the October 2014 article was initially published on 13 May 2013 on a different alternative health news site and references a 16 May 2013 feature by Peter Doshi that was printed in the British Medical Journal. It's important to bear in mind that despite BMJ's authoritative reputation in the medical world, feature columns printed in that journal are not research but rather "News & Views." It is easy for readers unfamiliar with that publication to confuse claims made in feature articles for peer-reviewed research findings.

It's also worth noting that Johns Hopkins University had nothing to do with this "blistering report." Peter Doshi is neither a virologist nor a epidemiologist, but rather an anthropologist who completed a fellowship in comparative effectiveness research at Johns Hopkins. He conducted no research about influenza or vaccines at Johns Hopkins, nor does he speak for the university on that subject.
Read more at www.snopes.com...

Snopes says it's a mixture true and false, but this is also from...2013 I believe.

Forbes and multiple other places covered it in 2014.

www.forbes.com...

It's not sound.

~Tenth

Quoted for extreme relevancy.

Apparently, there is roughly 5 times more mercury in a tuna sandwich than in a flu shot.

I'll still be getting my vaccine. Given that both times I've ever had any strain of influenza I developed pneumonia and nearly died (I have asthma and other chronic health problems,) and on both occasions I didn't get my shot, I'd rather take the "better safe than sorry" route. I have never had an adverse reaction to the flu shot, other than low grade fever, tiredness for a day or two, and a sore arm.

Everyone's mileage may vary of course, and what they do with their own bodies is solely their own prerogative. I can speak only for myself.

Peace.

originally posted by: Prezbo369

originally posted by: SlapMonkey

originally posted by: Prezbo369
Well......at least there's no mention of the fallacious claims of vaccines causing autism.

Just the usual ignorant folk demonstrating their ignorance and putting natural selection to work....

Yet you make a comment without backing up your fallacious claims of ignorance?

I take it you're ignoring all those making comments such as 'I aint never had a vaccination and never had the flu'.......or do you think they actually qualify as evidence?....

"...putting natural selection to work" is actually a good thing, not just a negative thing, like you're implying with your ridiculous comment. You're using hyperbole to try and make a point that is neither valid nor backed up by science, and then point at others and yell 'ignorance?'

Who are you quoting here? whoever it is sound's like a bond villain.

Please, back up your claim of ignorance, explain how discussing the possibility that the influenza vaccination is neither as safe or as effective as is claimed by our government or the producers of the vaccine is a demonstration of said ignorance, and prove your asinine comment about natural selection.

You the author of this thread have presented an anecdotal report from someone you had no prior knowledge of with a click-bait title obviously intended for the anti-vac folk so they can wallow in their irrational stance on vaccinations. You then claim 'I only made this thread for added information to the big picture of the vaccination debate.'......which is just ridiculous, dishonest and vile in this posters opinion. Is that enough?

The only way to understand the situation is with basic biochemistry and basic math. Over the past decade what is the effective percentage of the shot? How well does it work with drifts? How much is the death rate controlled by modern medicine intervention if you are very sick with the flu vs the third world without vaccines and also much less access to modern medicine. This is why some studies are very misleading when they say look at the death toll in say China vs the US from the flu. Obviously not going to the hospital and getting iv's for dehadration and such things is goimg to effect the death Rate substancially. That isnt usually discussed at any length in the studies unless you dig into footnotes.

Unfortunately the research is hard to find without a conflict of interest meaning the vaccine companies are the ones we rely on most of the research from. That doesnt mean they are cooking the books but its definitely something to consider. In my lifeti.e there were peer reviewed studies on the lack of harm for instance of cigarettes. They were overturned by university studies on cancer but it took a long time to counter the money and lobby power.

Vaccines are a great thing for polio and such things where they can be irradicated. The flu vaccine is fine for people at risk or for people in very low populations. I dont think its necessary to push it in cities or towns where human contact is common. The immunity you recieve from the flu itself is much better and longer lasting than the shot which is something to consider.

The shift however is another problem all together and its very likely the vaccine wont do anything for it. It comes from bad animal husbandry practices usually in the third world. Its when the virus merges dna interspecies.

a reply to: SlapMonkey

Great post. I had to laugh because the only time I have ever taken a flu shot was when I was in the US Army and everybody had to take it. And just like you, I was sick as the proverbial dog. In subsequent years I was in charge of medical records and saw to it that my shot record was current, but I never took another flu shot.

I hate needles and shots, but I got one a number of years back.

That year I got the flu.

Twice.

now I've always been one to get sick regularly when I was growing up. flu, sinusitis, etc. I'm now older and "Immune Compromised" and my doc's are always pushing me to get one.

I always refuse, especially since 3 years ago I started to take bottle of water (5 days a week) and put in a few tablespoons of unfiltered apple cider vinegar with "the mother" and a dab of unfiltered/unprocessed local honey. Oddly enough, I haven't been sick with any kind of cold, flu or sinusitis since.

So, I'm gonna keep doing that. I've had better odds, even with my disease.

a reply to: SlapMonkey


Dont kow if anbody posted this

Non-epidemiologist tries to do epidemiology, feeds anti-vaccine activists

From the link

Dr. Doshi, who is not an epidemiologist, makes some clear mistakes about the nature of the yearly flu epidemics that we see, the deaths from influenza, and the benefits/risks of the influenza vaccine.

Looks like as usual on conspiracy sites he is NOT an expert of what he is talking about