Collapse of Crane in La Mecca, bad Omen carried out by ISIS genocide of Christians of Middle east?

originally posted by: The angel of light
a reply to: MissBeck


God is not who has punished this people, that is a point of view that sounds pretty fundamentalist, possibly based on wrong interpretations of the way the Mosaic law works.

What seems to me is the appropriate way to see this is that He has retired temporally his Holy protection disgusted for the evilness that is occurring in Syria and Iraq, this has allowed the tragedy to come as a consequence.

Hmm, but you said God didn't punish the people, but then said He retired the protection, which means he knew something bad could happen, and people would be killed possibly?

That is still a punishment of innocents no?

a reply to: vonclod

Again Dear Vonctod,

This is something I have already said, this is not just an accident, it happened in the Holy day of Prayer of Islam, in the most sacred place for Islam in the world, in the anniversary of a terrible terrorist action that was performed by people that claimed to be acting in the name of Islam and also in moments in which evildoers are carrying out terrible crimes also using in a so much sinful and blasphemous way the name of Islam.

It was not God who punished anybody, simply his protection to the place was retired temporally in expression of his rejection to the horrendous Genocide that is committed right now In Syria and Iraq against the Assyrian Christians.

If the full protection of God might be acting on the place, as it happened in the past, this tragedy never would have occurred, that is pretty clear to anybody that knows the omnipotence of God.

God the almighty and merciful has power enough to stop the fall not of just one crane, but of a hundred or thousand collapsing all together.

It is irrelevant is it was an accident or a really unusual bad weather what caused it, the point is that the tragedy occurred in spite of the Holiness of the place.

Sorry, but You are to much focused in what is immediate, I am seeing much farther than you, in what is transcendental.

Islam must be expurgated of a plague called ISIS or ISIL and Terrorism in general, to return to be the way of God, the way of his people.



Thanks for your reply,

The Angel of Lightness

originally posted by: vonclod
It's a tragic accident nothing more imo..if god was punishing or making bad things happen or lifting his protection due to bad behaviour there would be no one left on this planet. So he will let bad things happen to bad people(I do not know if anyone killed was bad?) and also lets bad things happen to everyone else?
Sorry I don't get it.
Peace.

Even according to Islamic scripture, if anytime in history a nation or group of people transgressed limits/ committed serious sins, it is said that they alone would be punished and the innocent believers spared.

So again the OPs argument fall flat as with the crane incident - innocents were punished for the crimes of the bad guys lol?

Doesn't make sense..

a reply to: Klassified

Well maybe their god is just getting old & is more impotent than omnipotent.
He needs some Divineagra (Not to be taken with any other potions, if Godhead lasts for more that 4 millennia please consult your Holy Ghost)
That would also explain why he needs the frothing rabble on earth to babble his BS.

K~

a reply to: The angel of light

For once as a Muslim my self I actually agree with what you are saying. But let me warn you about using the website a answeringIslam that website is riddled with lies and biddah (innovation of scripture) they have been refuted many times and called out on well constructed lies. However after reviewing the material you have posted I agree it's correct . As Muslims All Christans and jews should be respected and not harmmed in anyway . One of prophet Muhammads wifes was a jew . ISIS and other groups who share the same ideology khuaraij ideology , need to have action taken against them. They are without a doubt a cancer of Islam.

As far as the Omen goes , I am not sure I can agree to that . bad things happen in holy places all the time . bombing as masjids raids at holy sites etc. I think this was just a freak accdent.

a reply to: MissBeck

Dear MissBeck,

I think the key question to understand what happened the Friday when the crane collapsed over the people in prayer, and possibly to evaluate the level of innocence involved here is:

How many of those prayers and how many of them were praying for the ending of the genocide of the Christian Assyrians in Syria and Iraq? how many were also for the ending of the evil rule of ISIS who has also killed a lot of Coptic Christians in Egypt? How many were for the finishing of the fundamentalism terrorism of any kind (not only ISIS, but Alqaeda, Islamic Yihad, Chenyans etc)

Evil actions are without doubt sinful, but also there are omissions that are in the same level. A good prayer is the one that includes not only the personal intentions of who prays, neither the ones that are only of who is close to it, or belong to its own family or circle of friends or social network.

When somebody decides to turn its head to watch in other direction to be able to ignore a sinful action instead to condemn and do something to stop it is also assuming part of guilt on it. To be so much busy or focused in to pray for personal businesses is not excuse to don't pray for the world peace, for all who suffer misery, hunger, prosecution, discrimination, or extermination right now in the world.

Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness

a reply to: The angel of light

Im going to try to use what I understand from your OP to come to a reason why the crane collapsed..

ISIS is the dramatic result of using religion to back political and/or personal agendas. Same with many other religions. But God is patient and allows it to continue.

The world is conditioned to believe that what ISIS is doing is in the name of Islam, but it's actually deeper than that. What they are doing is the result of embracing the opposite of what Islam teaches. And seemingly also embracing the opposite of what Christianity teaches.
Thats where you connect the two religions, a good Muslim and a good Christian would never do the terrible things we see ISIS doing. Never thought of it that way before..

So to simplify what I'm trying to say,
-Evil would use Good for its own benefit. While Good would do nothing but remain being Good knowing that Evil never wins. God will save those who deserve being saved.
-Those who have embraced the opposite of what true religion teaches are those that destroyed the mosque.

Someone who is not religious can only laugh at those statements, but to someone that believes it must make some sense.

a reply to: The angel of light

Interesting (and unique) understanding you've put forward:
God/Allah hasn't actively punished anyone in the mosque tragedy in Mecca...He has merely 'temporarily revoked His protection' as an act of protest of current behavior.

a reply to: The angel of light

So now you're saying they got killed because they weren't saying the right prayers???



Oh man, I am so screwed! I better start bulking my own prayers up a bit!

But seriously, I think we're not going to agree on this one. I still think accident due to weather.


God bless. Xx

a reply to: windword

Oh really?
themuslimissue.wordpress.com...
It seems they are in for trouble if you ask me.
Mysterious ways...

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: windword

Oh really?
themuslimissue.wordpress.com...
It seems they are in for trouble if you ask me.
Mysterious ways...

From your source:

The crane fell at about 5.25pm according to a security guard at the Grand Mosque – which translated to 10.25 am New York time, the time the World Trade Center’s North Tower collapsed in 2001.

Is this point on the timing accurate? If so...it really challenges the 'coincidence' explanation.

I wouldn't be surprised one bit if it was intentional. Christians see it as affirmation that their God exists, and apparently so do Muslims according to this thread.

Those in power do this stuff for this very reason, to continue the delusion.

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: windword

Oh really?
themuslimissue.wordpress.com...
It seems they are in for trouble if you ask me.
Mysterious ways...

From your source:

The crane fell at about 5.25pm according to a security guard at the Grand Mosque – which translated to 10.25 am New York time, the time the World Trade Center’s North Tower collapsed in 2001.

Is this point on the timing accurate? If so...it really challenges the 'coincidence' explanation.

If so, is this all you got God? A retribution killing of 100 people in exchange for 3,000? What vengeance.

With the timing of this and the Binladen family involved...it feels more like the hand of man is behind this tragedy...I still think sabotage is a possibility.

a reply to: IAMTAT

I'm under the same impression. This was orchestrated by man to feign some kind of divine intervention. People have bought it hook line and sinker too.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

I don't see as an AFFRIMATION of anything I see people who have been harmed.
The world according to Westboro would LOVE to play that record but it is really irrelevant to the REAL Christians who see nothing more than people got hurt.
IT IS in fact repulsive to celebrate this, as NORMAL people would attest.

I think you may be right. The crane collapse at Islam's holiest site will be seen as a bad omen by Muslims. They will probably think Allah is angry about something, but misinterpret it to being 'we're not Muslim enough'

I've been saying for a while now that Russian policy on Syria us actually the right way to go - help Assad, stop Isis. Assad runs a secular government that ensured the religious and ethnic minorities were as well protected as they could be.

To anyone reading this thread, this war in Syria is bad. The media us lying to us about the Assad regime and innocent civilians are dying every single day because the US led coalition's policy is interfering with the Syrian army and it's attempts to halt ISIS.

We need to care about this war and get our leaders to stop and listen to Russia and work with Mr Putin and Mr Assad to restore order, stop the tragedies and make Syria safe for the millions of displaced folk to return to and rebuild.

originally posted by: The angel of light


It is irrelevant is it was an accident or a really unusual bad weather what caused it, the point is that the tragedy occurred in spite of the Holiness of the place.

Or perhaps it is because there is no holiness there. Perhaps it is just another spot on this earth that humans who have a need to explain things that they do not understand go to whisper thoughts to an imaginary all powerful being. So they gather there with other like minded people and due to the ever growing number they needed to build it bigger and then a crane which was improperly secured fell over in an unusually bad storm killing a great number of poor souls who went to the same place everyone else goes in search of answers that are never found there.

a reply to: The angel of light

'twas Pazuzu who done it.

The old Sumerian protection-daemon is tired of monotheists bulldozing and stomping all over the sacred sites of pre-Abarahamic faiths. So he summoned up his winds and dropped a crane to show them what it feels like.

What?

Makes just as much sense as your theory.


~ Wandering Scribe

originally posted by: UnBreakable
Your whole argument hinges on the fact that there is a god. The event at Mecca was nothing more than a tragic construction accident which happened to occur on a particularly infamous date, nothing more. An imaginary space man had nothing to do with this.

To quote an old movie "The Song Of Bernadette", for those whom believe in God, no explanation is necessary and for those whom do not no explanation will ever suffice.

God is real and it is actually this world that is the illusion, we call it higher reality but of course there will be those entitys whom are not from that higher reality and will never ascend to it and quantum theory may even bear this out as a fact?.

Schrodinger's cat in the box, you have not looked yet posit an opinion about it's content so changing and directing your own personal reality down that path you choose, sounds more like metaphysics I know but then a heck of a lot of Quantum theory does but it makes sense as well?.

What if your mind and your belief does set your reality?.

You shall reap as you sow.