Conspiracy Theorists are Right

a reply to: Talorc

One persons theories is another persons facts. It depends how long the trail of breadcrumbs is.

I don't believe in David Ickes theories, but if there was a hint or a clue to prove otherwise then I might just stroke my chin and think 'maybe he is onto something' but there is nothing to go on so...

It is fun to speculate, but the one thing that separates conspiracies from fantasy is something tangible, a scattering of crumbs that lead us somewhere, anywhere. Obviously the JFK assignation is a perfect example as Oswalds motive dangled the carrot in front of conspiracy theorists and that lead them to the grassy knoll, the KGB, or even LBJ.

originally posted by: AtcGod
a reply to: Talorc

I wonder if you have any sort of formal education beyond high school. It interests me that people involved in the conspiracy circles, or label themselves conspiracy theorists, tend to consider themselves intellectually superior to others who do not share their insights or belief systems (essentially do not interpret a given scenario in the same way).

This post seems to challenge the validity of education and research methodology, the latter which, has been utilized as a means to professionally and credibly examine a subject and thereby come to a verifiable conclusion (based on fact).

I must admit, I once fell pray to this line of thinking, but once I began pursuing higher education, I realized how wrong I had been.

The fact is, without higher education, you do not have access to certain materials designed to "educate" in which you have with say...Google. There are lots of credible journals, articles and books of a scholarly nature which are published for the means to examine with the goal of educating.

Generally, people without any exposure to this will say "What makes you smarter than me??? Mr. College person!"

My answer is well the fact that I am taught by a professional in the field, that has a background in delivering the subject matter and has at-least a Masters and mostly always a Ph.D in the subject. I learn from them things that you could not possibly know (assuming you have no higher education). I have access to materials that you have not been exposed to or considered.

I have a bigger picture, that is how I know more than you and that is how they know more than you. That is how all of these experts know what they know and you do not. Because they have proven, that they have learned and retained the material through a credible higher education establishment.

Regardless of what you believe you think you know..... Most people will take what the Ph.D says as truth, over the high school graduate that is good at searching though Google and putting a bunch of "internet facts" together from non scholarly source material.

atcgod

I'm in the process of earning a bachelor's degree. So I've indeed been exposed to "scholarly source material", though I don't think having a degree says anything in particular about legitimacy, beyond the specific subject one is studying.

Your entire post is an appeal to authority, and a poor one at that. Because one person has a degree in engineering doesn't make them an authority on anything other than engineering. You seem to be saying that a degree gives someone "intellectual primacy" over other people, which is patently ridiculous.

I get the feeling you're personally offended by my post, perhaps because you think you've earned some kind of eminence for having higher education. This sort of elitism generally emanates from the mouths of insecure people who feel that their education gives them primacy, and they grow ornery and indignant when their knowledge is questioned.

Anyone who wishes to learn is quite able to do so, and would never have to step foot in a university. All you need is sufficient will to learn and access to a good library.

The glass dome you live in is easily cracked and broken. You can believe that you know more than other people because of a slip of paper you earned, but sadly you'll be living a lie.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Talorc

I hesitate to say that conspiracy theorists are right just because people lie and power corrupts. That's a ridiculous assertion. Just because the official story MAY not be true, doesn't automatically make the alternative story true. There could still be a yet third undetermined account of things.

Conspiracy theorists are right for questioning things. That's the meaning I've what I said, no more and no less. Maybe you're thinking I meant that their theories are all correct, in which case you'd be mistaken.

a reply to: Talorc

In that case, you are right and wrong at the same time. Conspiracy theories are right for questioning things, but they also tend to not question their OWN accounts of things. Questioning the mainstream account only half of the problem. One must question ALL accounts then settle on the one that has the most convincing evidence supporting it.

In other words, skeptics make the best conspiracy theorists, but I know most CTers don't want to hear that because they don't like skeptics.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

I did try to stipulate that in the OP by saying "true conspiracy theorists question themselves....". Otherwise yeah, dogmatically sticking to one belief is usually not wise, no matter if it's a conspiracy or anything else.

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: Talorc

Very well written - thanks.

But we're smarter than that, aren't we?

Based on the contents of your OP, imo, you can count yourself among the smart ones.

Some of us are aware that what the governments are doing, and can see much farther than that....everyday people cannot handle 1% of what goes on in this world, not to mention OTHER areas out there.

Exposure would surely destroy most everything, that is precisely why even the most ardent savior minded avatars are afraid to pull the curtains back.

It is WORSE on the other side than here, imagine that for a few moments.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Talorc

I hesitate to say that conspiracy theorists are right just because people lie and power corrupts. That's a ridiculous assertion. Just because the official story MAY not be true, doesn't automatically make the alternative story true. There could still be a yet third undetermined account of things.

Regardless, even the craziest theories touch on things more than the official accounts, which usually can be soundly debunked on every level......and if it wasn't for the ardent faith of the official believers and the brainwashing involved since time immemorial not a ONE would actually buy the OS, EVER.

originally posted by: CranialSponge
a reply to: intrptr

What an amazing speech... damn near brought tears to my eyes.

He most certainly was slowly trying to let the cat out of the bag.

Absolute rubbish - he wasn't killed until 2 1/2 years after that speech - if there was anything to "let out of the bag" he had plenty of time!!

Moreover if you bother to read THE WHOLE SPEECH talking about communism - nothing more and nothing less.

the selective quoting above is commonly used by CT's who do not want to know the truth!!

originally posted by: Talorc



Wacko conspiracy theorists have no credibility, no accolades, and no peer-reviewed studies.

But we're smarter than that, aren't we?

Any true conspiracy theorist doubts himself just as he doubts the government, media, and reality itself. What is reality to the conspiracy theorists? It's the opposite of what they tell you. It must be- what truth has man ever gleaned from the "official story"?

History is always rich with irony.

We are educated, discerning, and skeptical of all things unsourced and wanting for logic and testable validity.

But is that really the case? Those vaunted studies that you so eagerly appeal to, proving the innocuousness of, say, anti-depressants- are you a medical doctor, able to confirm these results first-hand? Are you knowledgeable in pharmaceutics? Can you personally attest to the good character of the people who conducted said study?

If not, then you should, quite deservingly, be branded an imbecile. Casual perusing of Internet articles and Wikipedia entries does not constitute sufficient expertise. How dare you presume to explain quantum mechanics after reading Scientific American magazine?

Real truth comes from those who spit on official stories.

Your post seems to play both sides. I am not offended in the least, much to the contrary. I was simply stating my opinion of the "attitude" of conspiracy theorists in general.

"Half" of YOUR post echos my sentiment, and the other contradicts it.

Which is it?

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: intrptr

The most taken out of context speech of all time... it was about communism, not about a conspiracy within the states.
Well, sort of but about communists conspiring within the country.

There is no way Kennedy would not of known the Russians were not working for the ruling class, the Zionists took
over Russia in 1920 after they threw the Csars out there was never a war between Russia and America it was all contrived BS.

a reply to: jinni73

And yet the speech says nothing about that - I guess that must be proof that it's true right...I mean if Kennedy couldn't talk about it then hte only reason must be that they are so powerful they control what he said....


Couldn't possibly be the reason there's no actual evidence ifs that your concept is just not true could it??

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Talorc

The speech that killed Kennedy. He saw the beast looming and warned us directly…

Partial Transcript…

And no official of my administration whether his rank is high or low, civilian or military, should interpret my words here tonight as an excuse to censor the news, to stifle dissent, to cover up our mistakes, or to withhold from the press or the public the facts they deserve to know.

For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence, on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day.

It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations. Its preparations are concealed, not published. It’s mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed.

That speech is called "The President and the Press". Our Estemed late member Rising Against, did an awesome thread on that very speech.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

In his memory, it might be a good idea to understand the context of the speech so you can better understand what Kennedy said. The problem most people have is they see parts of the speech, and not the WHOLE thing.

But was it not parts of the speech that Kennedy was relating to?
you are not allowed to come out and directly tell people what is going on, So yes the speech was about the cold war yet If you were awake and lots of people were back then they would of realised It was a warning against secret societies and what evil controls them.

a reply to: jinni73

Kennedy didn't "relate" to "pats" of the speech - he gave the whole thing!!

Conspiracy theorists remind of that old saying "Throwing s**t against the wall and seeing what sticks"...do it enough times they are going to be right ..maybe like 1 out of millions times...


Kind of like the false flag BS..

originally posted by: ParasuvO

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Talorc

I hesitate to say that conspiracy theorists are right just because people lie and power corrupts. That's a ridiculous assertion. Just because the official story MAY not be true, doesn't automatically make the alternative story true. There could still be a yet third undetermined account of things.

Regardless, even the craziest theories touch on things more than the official accounts, which usually can be soundly debunked on every level......and if it wasn't for the ardent faith of the official believers and the brainwashing involved since time immemorial not a ONE would actually buy the OS, EVER.

No they don't. The craziest theories just touch on bat# crazy ideas. That's it. I haven't found a single "crazy" conspiracy theory that had any credibility or discussed any topic worth talking about.

Also, people believe the OS because most times it is the best explanation for what happened since it has the best evidence supporting it.

originally posted by: lucifershiningone
Conspiracy theorists remind of that old saying "Throwing s**t against the wall and seeing what sticks"...do it enough times they are going to be right ..maybe like 1 out of millions times...

Kind of like the false flag BS..

Isn't that so with science as well?

I mean, first there was cholesterol. It was bad for everyone. Then doctors found out there is a little thing called "good cholesterol", which is not only not bad, but it's good and everyone should have a bit of it.

Then there was this small planet called Pluto. It was the last planet of the solar system. So it happens that Pluto keeps changing its status every now and then, it used to be planet, later it wasn't, then it is again...

Radioactivity is damaging to the genes and you die if exposed, but oncologists love to radiate your cancer.

Nutricionists would tell you how bad it is to eat eggs, and suddenly eggs are good to your health.

The try-and-error list of science is almost endless. How is that any different from conspiracies?

Failed theories are failed theories, no matter where they come from.

originally posted by: AtcGod
a reply to: Talorc

I wonder if you have any sort of formal education beyond high school. It interests me that people involved in the conspiracy circles, or label themselves conspiracy theorists, tend to consider themselves intellectually superior to others who do not share their insights or belief systems (essentially do not interpret a given scenario in the same way).

This post seems to challenge the validity of education and research methodology, the latter which, has been utilized as a means to professionally and credibly examine a subject and thereby come to a verifiable conclusion (based on fact).

I must admit, I once fell pray to this line of thinking, but once I began pursuing higher education, I realized how wrong I had been.

The fact is, without higher education, you do not have access to certain materials designed to "educate" in which you have with say...Google. There are lots of credible journals, articles and books of a scholarly nature which are published for the means to examine with the goal of educating.

Generally, people without any exposure to this will say "What makes you smarter than me??? Mr. College person!"

My answer is well the fact that I am taught by a professional in the field, that has a background in delivering the subject matter and has at-least a Masters and mostly always a Ph.D in the subject. I learn from them things that you could not possibly know (assuming you have no higher education). I have access to materials that you have not been exposed to or considered.

I have a bigger picture, that is how I know more than you and that is how they know more than you. That is how all of these experts know what they know and you do not. Because they have proven, that they have learned and retained the material through a credible higher education establishment.

Regardless of what you believe you think you know..... Most people will take what the Ph.D says as truth, over the high school graduate that is good at searching though Google and putting a bunch of "internet facts" together from non scholarly source material.

atcgod

Great, that means you too know what 2,349 architects and engineers for 9/11 truth are talking about.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: zatara

You see and speak quite clearly…

Thank you, Intrptr. It took a while before my eyes were opened and from that moment I learned to check things out for myself and keep an open mind to the opinion of others. Too many people do not take the time to question politicians and authorities. People should not take their eyes from the ball when other distractions are put in front of them.

Of course this is something of all ages but the time we live in now we can not effort to believe everything, there is a lot in stake when it is a world government "they" want. I am not against a world government and consider it the natural development of a planet seeking for worldwide peace and to take its population to the next level of awareness. But it is the way how we get there and who will be the leaders of this world government that worries me. And from what I see there is too much secrecy, violence and faul play by leaders with personal interests. They look all important, trustworthy, and capable with their fancy educations and expensive suits but it is as if most our leaders are not ready for such a significant development on our planet because of their "primitive" inabillity to resist corruption.

a reply to: zatara

Good morning Zatara. If you haven't seen it yet, some conspiracy with your morning coffee…

My post about a cartoon, be sure to watch the cartoon in the OP.

www.abovetopsecret.com...