Conspiracy Theorists are Right

a reply to: smurfy

Hi Smurf… right you are.

Crickets… (??)

a reply to: Talorc

How dare you claim that your blindly credulous, illegitimate opinions are more valid than mine?

This part stung, with the sword of blazing truth. Perhaps it is time to build a community instead of a solipsistic society? But people don't like to talk about the giant elephant in the room, until it stomps them over.

a reply to: intrptr

In that speech ( which you have clearly never read or listen to in it's entirety... it's 20 min long) President Kennedy addresses his discontent with the press’s news coverage of the Bay of Pigs incident, suggesting that there is a need for “far greater public information” and “far greater official secrecy.” He does mention Marx and other elements of communism all over the speech. please.... read before you open your mouth... some of us spent a lot of time and money in school studying this content to be bashed by idiots like you.

Do i doubt that there is a shadow gov that is controlling everything? No, i dont . I bet that is the case... But for F*$*$#*%@ sake.. read the speech before you jump on the bandwagon.

a reply to: nomdeterreur

You insult people because you went to school? Maybe he made a dense research about this, and don't forget the misinformation from schools and other "official" education systems (sorry for bad spelling). You can disagree about what he say, but don't act like a jerk.

From top to bottom, perfection!

Glad someone could put the words together in such a respectful, and inspiring fashion about conspiracy theorists.

If I may add, conspiracy theorists (me included*) are just inquisitive, creative minds, looking for some sense where none - or a rather defective one - is found.

Of course there are extremes everywhere, and this is valid to any end of the same stick, however the way I see it, most of the theorists are just reasonable people connecting - or trying to - the dots properly searching for reasons, causes and consequences.

It dazes me how fast and unsquestionably so many people accept all sort of obvious non-sense.



* as a footnote, I include myself as a theorist just because people around me label me this way, but in reality I see myself as a no non-sense person who simply doesn't buy any bs just because "everybody" says it's true.

Sooner or later these "theories" simply must change their names to facts but it seems that won't happen as regardless of the amount of evidence put forward, people in general rarely change their belief system. How can a theory become a proven fact or even a proven theory? When the majority believe it

Beautifully written.

Thank you.

a reply to: nomdeterreur

He does mention Marx and other elements of communism all over the speech. please…. read before you open your mouth… some of us spent a lot of time and money in school studying this content to be bashed by idiots like you.

Sorry, I didn't spend all that time and money having my brains washed in institutes of "Higher Learning".

President Kennedy addresses his discontent with the press’s news coverage of the Bay of Pigs incident, suggesting that there is a need for “far greater public information” and “far greater official secrecy…”

Because the press withheld the information that the CIA was behind the intended coup, presenting to the public an image of revolution of, by and for the Cuban people, which was clearly not the case.

The Cuban Cadre was an insurgency, recruited, funded, trained, armed and transported by the CIA, not a grass roots revolution of the people. The planners hoped it would "catch on", the people overthrowing the government, but that was a piped dream.

Kennedy wanted to expose that kind of operation , but we had to read about it later in expose.
The same tactics are used by the CIA today in the Middle East in efforts to depose Libyan leader Qaddafi, and Assad In Syria.

Hiding in plain sight, they call it Regime Change (Coup), Humanitarian intervention (Invasion) and Humanitarian Aid (Arms).

Frontline, Arming the Rebels

Very nice speech, as it lends credence to everything that everyone already knows, but that some will just not admit. The problem is, that they cannot be beat because they own everything... the FBI, CIA, NSA and the cops will take care of any who try to do anything about it.

a reply to: intrptr

Repugnant... learned a new word today. English is not my first language but I think that JFK choose this word because it is the best "civilized" way to express and underline the most disgusting, abhorrent, offensive and sickening threat he was sure and aware of.

a reply to: intrptr

Exactly.

The Kennedys encountered a mess of a system coming from every direction with every fiasco that happened during their time, and they attempted to blow the lid off of the whole shebang - bit by bit, speech by speech... The increasing presence of the military industrial complex, the control and manipulation of the media, the control and manipulation of the political process, the ever-increasing control of the 'old boys club' in every branch of government, etc.

All of which we are seeing today as conspiracy fact, not theory.


The assassinations of the Kennedys put the message across loud and clear to every single politician wanting to follow in their footsteps:

"Shut the hell up and obey the status quo, or else".


... and every single president since JFK has done exactly that.

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: intrptr

The most taken out of context speech of all time... it was about communism, not about a conspiracy within the states.
Well, sort of but about communists conspiring within the country.

Yes and no
He was talking about communism that was creeping into our nations secretly.
I live in Australia and for the last 30 years I have watched my country descend into communism.Many decades ago they turned our universities into Communist boot camps
Placing many of us under the yoke of communism.They target the minorities who are desperate to be heard to empower them .feminist homosexuals multiculturalism are just a few example's. The main plan was to divide our nations and turn us against each other. Destroy our nations from within.Looks like their plan is working.Soon we will be ripe for the pickings.Marxism the long march through the institutions. I have awoken and there are others who have awoken too to this form of mind control.Yet not our leaders who live in their sleep.How long has this been going on .The Nazi s in Germany found out what was happing before the second world war when they stormed a university and found evidence of this plot .They were mainly Jews but I don't think that the Jews started this they were used as footsoilders because they were a minority in Europe and wanted to be heard and had fallen victim to this mind control.They were the first to fall under the Marxist yoke.

Thanks for the replies everyone. I felt like posting this after realizing how much "conspiracy" people have helped me over the years. I really can't imagine not knowing some of the things I know now. And I owe that to people on websites like this one, plus a few smart people I know personally.

originally posted by: dr1234
a reply to: Talorc

"But is that really the case? Those vaunted studies that you so eagerly appeal to, proving the innocuousness of, say, anti-depressants- are you a medical doctor, able to confirm these results first-hand? Are you knowledgeable in pharmaceutics? Can you personally attest to the good character of the people who conducted said study? "

Yes, and yes, actually. One of the few things I can say for certain I am able to confirm.

Well, I didn't mean to say I was knowledgable about medicine, I'm definitely not. I just used anti-depressants as an example for the pharmaceutical industry in general. Perhaps I could have found a better example, of which I'm sure there are plenty.

First off great post!!!I think some people missed the point. All your education does not mean anything if it was not truth to begin with.

You have been tricked into thinking you are right due to what you studied read etc. But without doing the experiments and testing yourself you are always taking someone elses word for it. If i raised my child to think apples are blue. Then they are blue right? Now go ahead and call me names and correct my grammar.

Lol hegelian dialectic is a very powerful tool. Supreme court ruled the news outlets have no legal obligation to tell the truth which stems from florida bovine vaccine/monsanto report. Police are trained to strip you of your rights yet when sworn in the oath states they are to maintain and uphold and individuals rights. Coming from a law enforcement family i know this to be true and it is one of the best examples i could give to show all the traing in the world doesnt make you right. Anyway thats my take on it.

On a side note my utube account logo came from a pamplet on jfk's desk i think i will add it here.

a reply to: Talorc

I wonder if you have any sort of formal education beyond high school. It interests me that people involved in the conspiracy circles, or label themselves conspiracy theorists, tend to consider themselves intellectually superior to others who do not share their insights or belief systems (essentially do not interpret a given scenario in the same way).

This post seems to challenge the validity of education and research methodology, the latter which, has been utilized as a means to professionally and credibly examine a subject and thereby come to a verifiable conclusion (based on fact).

I must admit, I once fell pray to this line of thinking, but once I began pursuing higher education, I realized how wrong I had been.

The fact is, without higher education, you do not have access to certain materials designed to "educate" in which you have with say...Google. There are lots of credible journals, articles and books of a scholarly nature which are published for the means to examine with the goal of educating.

Generally, people without any exposure to this will say "What makes you smarter than me??? Mr. College person!"

My answer is well the fact that I am taught by a professional in the field, that has a background in delivering the subject matter and has at-least a Masters and mostly always a Ph.D in the subject. I learn from them things that you could not possibly know (assuming you have no higher education). I have access to materials that you have not been exposed to or considered.

I have a bigger picture, that is how I know more than you and that is how they know more than you. That is how all of these experts know what they know and you do not. Because they have proven, that they have learned and retained the material through a credible higher education establishment.

Regardless of what you believe you think you know..... Most people will take what the Ph.D says as truth, over the high school graduate that is good at searching though Google and putting a bunch of "internet facts" together from non scholarly source material.

atcgod

a reply to: CranialSponge

The assassinations of the Kennedys put the message across loud and clear to every single politician wanting to follow in their footsteps:

"Shut the hell up and obey the status quo, or else".


… and every single president since JFK has done exactly that.

So sad, so true. Bobby and MLK, also. Both were tolerated until they began to mount the anti war platform.

We here in the United States - not just the United States government, not just the commanders of and forces in South Vietnam, the United States government and every human being that's in this room - we are part of that decision and I don't think that we need do that any longer and I think we should change our policy.

I don't want to be part of a government, I don't want to be part of the United States, I don't want to be part of the American people, and have them write of us as they wrote of Rome: "They made a desert and they called it peace."

I think that we should go to the negotiating table, and I think we should take the steps to go to the negotiating table.

Bobby Kennedy speech

Negotiating peace was the last thing the Military Industrial Complex wanted. Bobby was assassinated less than three months later.

Google search on Martin Luther King

a reply to: Talorc

I hesitate to say that conspiracy theorists are right just because people lie and power corrupts. That's a ridiculous assertion. Just because the official story MAY not be true, doesn't automatically make the alternative story true. There could still be a yet third undetermined account of things.

a reply to: AtcGod

Generally, people without any exposure to this will say "What makes you smarter than me??? Mr. College person!"

My answer is well the fact that I am taught by a professional in the field, that has a background in delivering the subject matter and has at-least a Masters and mostly always a Ph.D in the subject.

Completely true with subjects like math for instance. Not so with Geo Politics. Mathmateics is not subject to interpretation.

In Geo Politics there is a bent, a leaning in Institutions of higher learning, much the same as in the main stream media. They want to indoctrinate people from an early age, through education and the media. College is not exempt. They control the direction of minds through both. Ever more so today than before. During the Vietnam war, college students staged anti war protests. Today, nothing.

Theres your sign…

a reply to: zatara

You see and speak quite clearly…