Crane Collapse Kills Over 100 at World's Holiest Mosque In Mecca

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: IAMTAT

This is a very sad event and today people wake up to the cold hard reality that a family member or friend is dead.

But let me tell you what is even more tragic, that's the online rhetoric surrounding this event -even right here on ATS where a thread is (and rightly so) closed.

Too many peeps being sucked in by propaganda (the divide and conquer type) and consequently announcing collective punishment upon an entire group of people - amongst whom are those that will wake up to the cold hard reality that a family member or friend is dead.

Is humanity dead? Have the globalist bloodlines won?

Thank you for the kind words. The people who died were just going to Friday prayers. This is the equivalent of Sunday services for Christians. It was a terrible tragedy that will affect many innocent families.

But some people here couldn't contain their glee that innocent people were killed in an accident. It's absolutely disgusting.

originally posted by: enlightenedservant

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: IAMTAT

This is a very sad event and today people wake up to the cold hard reality that a family member or friend is dead.

But let me tell you what is even more tragic, that's the online rhetoric surrounding this event -even right here on ATS where a thread is (and rightly so) closed.

Too many peeps being sucked in by propaganda (the divide and conquer type) and consequently announcing collective punishment upon an entire group of people - amongst whom are those that will wake up to the cold hard reality that a family member or friend is dead.

Is humanity dead? Have the globalist bloodlines won?

Thank you for the kind words. The people who died were just going to Friday prayers. This is the equivalent of Sunday services for Christians. It was a terrible tragedy that will affect many innocent families.

But some people here couldn't contain their glee that innocent people were killed in an accident. It's absolutely disgusting.

Darwinian atheists would plop a few megatons on the site to eradicate a world religion to advance homo erectus evolution, without an after thought. Go go human species.

originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
Its terrible that so many people died, but how could this be pure coincidence? The Holiest Islamic site on the 14th anniversary of 9/11 with construction materials funded by the Bin Laden family??? It's either conspiracy or divine judgement. I don't know which, and I mean no disrespect, but how could this just be a random event? Just no way, man.

Just so you know, the Bin Laden family is huge and has huge influence in Saudi Arabia. They're like a mixture between America's Rockefellers and the Bush's. Their patriarch was the construction mogul who virtually built modern day Saudi Arabia (he was basically the construction arm of the Saudi King). And according to wikipedia, the Saudi Binladin Group, their construction firm, is the 2nd largest construction firm in the world. The fact that their company was the one working on this mosque should be a given, when looking at it in context.

And try to remember, the other Bin Ladens have nothing to do with Osama's actions. They'd rejected him long before 9/11 because he was against the Saudi monarchy's decision to let US troops into Saudi Arabia for the 1st Gulf War. Remember, Osama was exiled from Saudi Arabia in the early 1990s.

Very sad, sending regards. Looks like they have tragedies before their holy time quite often.

originally posted by: Peacetime
a reply to: Sremmos80

Nobody is making jokes about death on this keyboard and, despite popular belief, you don't have to feel sorry for people every time there is a tragic event. Unless that makes you feel better about yourself.

And I'm sure you have met many civil and loving Muslims IRL here in the U.S. as have I. But the fact is, they are civil and loving because they chose to come to the west where it's more civilised. The ones who choose to stay in the middle east, for the most part, are not. They are the way they way are because religion has kept them socially retarded in the year 200.


Feel sorry for them because of that, not because a damn crane collapsed on them.

Oh, socially (stunted, behind, backwards...) you mean like the people who attacked the many (one I knew personally) who left the US after 9/11 back to the ME in fear because of how Americans were acting out against Muslims?

It was 60 and now a hundred? Sad life

Condolence

Is there someone on ATS familiar with the mosque able to indicate whether there is any form of of division between the different sects inside the mosque? Ie. sunni and shiite etc, would they all gather in one area separate from the other. I say this as given the friction already present would the finger pointing start if one or the other lost more souls. Islam is in a weird place right now, this event might shake it further.

If karma is to be blamed then its really is a bitch to exact revenge on a majority for the acts of a minority. the coincidence meter is off the scale with this event i have to say but given the lack of health and safety and poor record at the grand mosque i can't say i'm surprised.

Death in the name of religion however it occurred is never justified imo.

While I agree that it could have been avoided if proper precautions were taken while the construction was going ahead, now is not the time to play the blame game. Over 100 people have lost their lives and I wish all the affected families and friends the best during this time.

A few less terrorists maybe?

Before September, 11 2001 and all that has happened since, I would have felt empathy and sadness. Truth be known I have none for Muslims now. I find that sad about myself, but my heart has hardened against followers of Islam. I don't wish them harm nor hate them, but I really feel no sadness or remorse any longer for when bad things happen to this group. I feel world is better off with less people following that religion.

It inspires hatred, murder and world dominance not to mention horrendous treatment of women and people who do not believe the same. I am sure this Islam cannot continue to be taught without inspiring more weak minded people to kill others.

I don't believe Christianity is any more true, but at least in the modern age it is not inspiring massive killing, mistreatment of others and pure evil acts on a grand scale.

a reply to: Xeven

Guilt by association is a logical fallacy.

Just because some Muslims take part in terrorism does not mean all (or even most) Muslims do.

Hate the ideology, not the individual.

Is there still time to do cartwheels, or am I a day late?

originally posted by: Dark Ghost
a reply to: Xeven

Guilt by association is a logical fallacy.

Just because some Muslims take part in terrorism does not mean all (or even most) Muslims do.

Hate the ideology, not the individual.

Is it a fallacy?
Based on what?

Before I write more I want to say that it is a really bad thing that happened. It is always sad when people die and their family will obviously suffer and nobody [apart from isis lovers] deserves to die. My condolences to all their families.

Now to the above:

The koran says without any doubt that islam must rule the world one day, that every unbeliever should be killed and that everything goes to achieve that; including lying to the extent of pretending to renounce islam or pretending to be a friend even if they are not, if this is done in the advancement of islam.

And because it is extremely bad to doubt anything in the koran as it has been unchanged since it's beginning and it is the word of allah, a good muslim may not like what is going on but their hands are tied in this self-policing meme called 'religion'.

The majority of muslims live in large families that also self-police anyone who is not behaving according to the koran, lesser westernised muslims will always be muslims first and everything else afterwards.

They may have a good heart and believe they are good people but at the same may also believe that it doesn't really matter if a 'kaffir' or other 'sinner is punished' < which I personally have a big problem with.

I would also have more trust if instead of legging it from a danger posed by people who are apparently misinterpreting their beloved book [isis], young men would get angry at them and fight against the biggest unbelievers and insulters of teh koran- isis. But they are not.
Its seems fine for isis to mis-interpret and kill innocent people but they still have a higher status [if you adhere to islam] than any gay or atheist.

It is allowed to lie to the enemy as per koran. It is ok to pretend to be a friend and westernised and drink and gamble, if a muslim finds him/herself oppressed.

The last point is that extremists look exactly like friendly muslims. I have no way of telling them apart. So my logic is at the moment: The more orthodox you look, the more devout you are and the more devout you are, the more you will agree with the koran. The more you agree with the koran, the more I would be in danger if you ruled my world.

So I HAVE to err on the safe side and unfortunately be weary around any muslim until I can be sure about their end-goal and feelings against me as an atheist and woman.

A double rainbow, ending at Ground Zero, seen by tens of thousands in person and millions online on the eve of 9/11.

The U.S. Senate, by support of Obama's "agreement" votes to defend Iran FROM Israel...

This lightening storm, crane (owned by binLaden corp) crash, w/heavy loss of life.

A near Biblical sandstorm (www.timesofisrael.com...) the worst in modern day Israels history...that is forecasted to END on the evening (read sundown) of September 13 (or 29 Elul on the Hebrew calendar--the day of the forgiveness of debts and the end of the seven year Shemitah cycle) that is also the BEGINNING of Rosh Hashonnah.

Toss in the fourth Blood Moon of the Tetrad and it is hard NOT to see prophecy coming to life.

It is allowed to lie to the enemy as per koran. It is ok to pretend to be a friend and westernised and drink and gamble, if a muslim find

This is such crap...

Praise be to Allaah.

Lying is a reprehensible and blameworthy characteristic and is not appropriate whether in earnest or in jest. There is no concession allowing it except in cases of necessity in order to achieve some definite shar‘i interest that cannot be attained by telling the truth, or to ward off serious harm that cannot be warded off by telling the truth. If it is possible to avoid lying and to tell the truth in order to obtain interests or ward off harm, then there is no concession that allows lying. 

Ahmad (17) narrated that Abu Bakr (may Allah be pleased with him) said: O people, beware of lying, for lying is contrary to faith.

Don't speak of something you have no knowlege of. I am a student of knowlege in Islamic Figh ( islamic law / Shria as you know it ) what this member did is a prime example of what extremsit do . spread complete fabricated crap. I compared him to extremist. Because they do the same thing , take scripture and create falsehood out of it and feed it to people .


ETA:

The koran says without any doubt that islam must rule the world one day, that every unbeliever should be killed and that everything goes to achieve that; including lying to the extent of pretending to renounce islam or pretending to be a friend even if they are not, if this is done in the advancement of islam

Wow you are really on a good one . Show me in the Quan where it says that?

You must be getting your info from Answering Islam.org

Back on Topic , Op it is Tragic this event but rest assure these people died in the best way as far as their religion is concerned. Dying on hajj is an Honourable in many ways.

originally posted by: Xeven
Before September, 11 2001 and all that has happened since, I would have felt empathy and sadness. Truth be known I have none for Muslims now. I find that sad about myself, but my heart has hardened against followers of Islam. I don't wish them harm nor hate them, but I really feel no sadness or remorse any longer for when bad things happen to this group. I feel world is better off with less people following that religion.

It inspires hatred, murder and world dominance not to mention horrendous treatment of women and people who do not believe the same. I am sure this Islam cannot continue to be taught without inspiring more weak minded people to kill others.

I don't believe Christianity is any more true, but at least in the modern age it is not inspiring massive killing, mistreatment of others and pure evil acts on a grand scale.

This is another prime example of how extremism has become the face of Islam and how it's effecting people.

It's sad to me that you don't take the time to research the differences between the two. Maybe if you had a little more understanding you wouldn't convict all muslims .

There is no point Kap...

The right wing neocons are Islamic experts.
I thought you knew that.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
There is no point Kap...

The right wing neocons are Islamic experts.
I thought you knew that.

Yeah your right. Overnight scholars....

Guess we just continue on...