House rejects Iran nuclear deal

So ....

A day after the Senate secured President Barack Obama's Iran nuclear deal, blocking a Republican resolution to scuttle it, the GOP-led House pressed forward with a pair of votes designed to show a majority of the chamber disapproves of the agreement.

The vote was 247 to 186, with two Democrats voting with Republicans.

What are your thoughts ?

For those of you who are more familiar with US politics , what is exactly the logic behind this ? cause for all i know , i interpret them as warmongering and desperation for a bloody war .

and hell it would be bloody .

for what ? what do they want to prove ? you want to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuke ? ok , here you go . thats the deal .

if not , and your intentions are sth else , well , promise you one thing , you'll get nothing but a middle-finger from Iranians .

so the only left option here is war . you want that ? you love spilling blood ? there is for sure sth deeply wrong with you .

so wrong indeed that i doubt any medication will help you with that .

i'm sorry , no offence intended to my american fellows , but i see these people as disgraces for humanity .

a reply to: haman10

I hate to be a pessimist, but I have about zero faith in our congress critters doing anything good for the country anymore.

A bunch (with a couple rare exceptions) of waffling, self important, self serving parasites fill both houses.

Just IMHO, of course!

Here's a link to the HofR website.

Looks like 4 votes happened....

HR 411, HR 412, HR 3460, HR 3461

Details in links to each....

U.S. House of Representatives Roll Call Votes

originally posted by: Fowlerstoad
a reply to: haman10

I hate to be a pessimist, but I have about zero faith in our congress critters doing anything good for the country anymore.

A bunch (with a couple rare exceptions) of waffling, self important, self serving parasites fill both houses.

Just IMHO, of course!

Well buddy , Iranian parliament is also filled with the same parasites , sometimes i feel like banging my head to the wall when i see some of them being plain STUPID .

but the fact is that no matter how stupid some of them are , they'll never stop any road to peace .

this deal should also get passed by Iranian parliament . do you see anyone talking about that ? no , cause there is zero chance of defeat .

my question was that how can the people in the house be so thirsty for spilling blood ?

blood of american soldiers and Iranian citizens who have nothing to do with anything . who are more than innocent and are living their life and enjoying it with their kids and families .

when there is a road to peace , how dare they seek war and destruction ? who gives them the right to ?

this can indeed be used by Iranian hardliners - as some call them - to bash US more in front of Iranian public . and trust me , it'll be effective

this action has the purpose of pulling the red carpet from under Obama...

He cannot make secret treaties, the Lawmakers have the duty to engage in Treaty making, the WH/Oval office can only lawfully begin 'talks' or explore possibilities of Policy... he has no right or authority in Treaty engagement

many of the EOs he made need to be reviewed and revoked as not being in the spirit of the Constitution

the WH needs to be face slapped and put into its right place of the chain-of-command...

that's what this vote shows --- they is a growing body of non-conformers who will not let a WH coup override the Constitutional body of full spectrum government...instead of the executive branch lording over the Judicial or mis-using the State Dept/IRS/VA/etc. etc.

originally posted by: haman10
what is exactly the logic behind this ?

We're coming up on an election year. Some politicians are already in full swing with their campaigning and proselytizing. So trying to understand any logic behind what any politician will do is a futile attempt. They vote along party lines because they've appearances to maintain.

originally posted by: EternalSolace

originally posted by: haman10
what is exactly the logic behind this ?

We're coming up on an election year. Some politicians are already in full swing with their campaigning and proselytizing. So trying to understand any logic behind what any politician will do is a futile attempt. They vote along party lines because they've appearances to maintain.

Well this is not a vote on the future of a big firm in LA either .

this is a vote on people's longevity and livelihood . this is no joke .

any single vote can change the course of history , it's not a question of party lines thus i doubt that that's the proper answer brother .

a reply to: haman10
Don't worry, if there is a war it will quickly turn into a global affair.

Especially with Russia, Iran AND the US in Syria.

So the whole world will bathe in blood with you.

If you want to blame someone you have to go higher than the puppets in government.

Follow the money.

We are all so screwed

a reply to: haman10

Without a doubt it's an issue with long lasting implications. My post in no way was meant to be a joke or seen as if I'm taking it lightly. I think you're giving too much credit to our politicians if you believe they're voting according to the importance of other's livelihood. They care about themselves and their political careers. That's why they vote along party lines almost always. Anyone who crosses their party can be ostracized within their party... essentially a career suicide. Washington is a pit of vipers.

Truth be known the agreement amounts to rules for Iran to live by. Iran will fail to live by them. This will legitimize a future argument for war in the UN, starting of course with sanctions and working up to war.

This agreement is a set up that will serve to legitimize a future war with Iran. You see this is exactly what happened in Iraq. World made rules, Iraq broke them and to war we went.

History is just repeating itself.

This "agreement" is a prelude to war.

a reply to: haman10

Considering that Iran is sending troops to fight along with Russia in Syria to help Assad, I really don't think this deal is worth the time, money, paper it's based on anymore.

Pretty obvious slap in the face to Obama from Iran, this is an empty deal used for political distraction. Why we would allow the money and sanctions to be lifted. It make all the parties involved intents very transparent.

Let's see how Syria plays out now with everyone there and shooting, Check mate!

originally posted by: St Udio
this action has the purpose of pulling the red carpet from under Obama...

He cannot make secret treaties, the Lawmakers have the duty to engage in Treaty making, the WH/Oval office can only lawfully begin 'talks' or explore possibilities of Policy... he has no right or authority in Treaty engagement

many of the EOs he made need to be reviewed and revoked as not being in the spirit of the Constitution

the WH needs to be face slapped and put into its right place of the chain-of-command...

that's what this vote shows --- they is a growing body of non-conformers who will not let a WH coup override the Constitutional body of full spectrum government...instead of the executive branch lording over the Judicial or mis-using the State Dept/IRS/VA/etc. etc.

You're wrong. The way things work in the US as designed by the Constitution, the Executive Branch ( I.e. President and in most cases the State Dept. And/or a designated negotiator) negotiate any treaties with foreign powers. The Senate then has the role of "advice and consent." The House actually plays no part in ratification of treaties. Hence, this in no way pulls anything out from under Obama. All this vote does is show the majority of the House's dissatisfaction with the treaty.

well of course the house (republican controlled) voted it down...it was Obama who orchestrated it....so what else is new

originally posted by: AnteBellum
a reply to: haman10

Considering that Iran is sending troops to fight along with Russia in Syria to help Assad, I really don't think this deal is worth the time, money, paper it's based on anymore.

Pretty obvious slap in the face to Obama from Iran, this is an empty deal used for political distraction. Why we would allow the money and sanctions to be lifted. It make all the parties involved intents very transparent.

Let's see how Syria plays out now with everyone there and shooting, Check mate!

1- Iran is not sending any troops to Syria . if we did , we could end that war in less than 2 month .

we're not , although such a decision will have the highest public support .

2- what does syria has to with anything ?

3- if the deal is broken , the only loser will be US. the sanctions will break anyways cause Iran will be seen as the mature actor and US as a needy kid . China , Russia and EU will no longer play along your games .

originally posted by: Xeven
Truth be known the agreement amounts to rules for Iran to live by. Iran will fail to live by them. This will legitimize a future argument for war in the UN, starting of course with sanctions and working up to war.

This agreement is a set up that will serve to legitimize a future war with Iran. You see this is exactly what happened in Iraq. World made rules, Iraq broke them and to war we went.

History is just repeating itself.

This "agreement" is a prelude to war.

Then i think we should all thank GOPs and trump for preventing a war , eh ?

you're so logical .

Well buddy , Iranian parliament is also filled with the same parasites , sometimes i feel like banging my head to the wall when i see some of them being plain STUPID .



but the fact is that no matter how stupid some of them are , they'll never stop any road to peace .



this deal should also get passed by Iranian parliament . do you see anyone talking about that ? no , cause there is zero chance of defeat .



my question was that how can the people in the house be so thirsty for spilling blood ?



blood of american soldiers and Iranian citizens who have nothing to do with anything . who are more than innocent and are living their life and enjoying it with their kids and families .



when there is a road to peace , how dare they seek war and destruction ? who gives them the right to ?



this can indeed be used by Iranian hardliners - as some call them - to bash US more in front of Iranian public . and trust me , it'll be effective

It is sad, but it seems our representatives may want war. Perhaps they have ways to profit from it ... while we pay and die.

If this problem does indeed go global, then many many of us will suffer and die, in both the US and Iran ... the whole middle easet ... Russia ... others ... globally.

Maybe this kind of conflict is intended to provide cover for a global financial collapse?

Another poster above mentioned to follow the money.

I think that is sage advice trying to understand the 'why'.

a reply to: haman10

It's just Republicans posturing, mostly because election season is getting close. Plus they want to give their donors & supporters the impression that they're doing something.

Congress can't pass any bill unless both the House of Representatives & Senate pass identical versions of it. Then that bill goes to the President, who can sign it into law or veto it. Pres Obama would surely veto this bill because he supports this Iran deal. However, Congress can override a Presidential veto if a large enough majority in both the House of Representatives & Senate vote to overturn the veto.

None of that matters though because the Senate wasn't able to pass a version of this bill in the first place. That's why the pro-deal people celebrated when a certain number of Senators vowed to reject a bill opposing the deal.

EDIT: Sorry if that's confusing. Basically, the Senate has to pass a version of the bill. Then the House of Reps has to pass the same version of the bill. Then that version of the bill goes to the President, who approves it or rejects it. If he rejects it, both the Senate & House of Reps will have to re-pass the bill with a large majority, which would override the President's decision to reject it. But since the Senate couldn't pass a version of the bill, nothing else matters.

Thats some great news, murika can go invade iran, sacrifice more men and women, and create more terrorist.

originally posted by: Xeven
WorThis agreement is a set up that will serve to legitimize a future war with Iran. You see this is exactly what happened in

You are probably right. But I don't think this will get anywhere near the UN etc. This is already too far gone, too out of hand. The idea that Israel will accept Iranians and now Russians on their border is just insane. I am waiting right now for Israel to pull something out the hat. They've been to quiet recently, too restrained. Expect a knock out blow on something. Be it Syria or maybe even Iran first. Without Russia getting properly involved, Iran on the border with Israel, well, Israel probably would have taken action already, but with the other superpower Russia involved with its high tech WMD then maybe, just maybe Israel is 'muzzled' and things will play out without them getting involved. Maybe the whole thing is a Mossad plan

We don't know how much Putin may be in on this plan. What if he is in with Israelis on sucking in Iran to make a false move by taking on IDF. What if Putin then pulls Russian troops out of Syria? Now Iran left on its own to face Israel? Mybe Israel has promised Putin the gem of Ukraine, let's face it most business in Ukraine is owned by Tel Aviv, maybe it's a done deal, Israel gets to take out Syria and Iran without Russian protection and gets given the rights to Ukraine. I'm sure a deal is in the making as Putin is known to admire Israel's ruthlessness in dealing with its enemies.

Its funny i dont see th e U S invading Iran. they will just bomb them into submission if anything. AFter of course letting putin have crimea in exchange.

a reply to: haman10

There was no point as the deal was secure already. Congress Republicans are going to hold a similar vote next week, which they know will not change anything-- just to waste our money. They enjoy symbolic votes and never ending permanent committees that investigate the same thing for years.