Kentucky: Oath Keepers Say They Will Protect Kim Davis From The Law

a reply to: xuenchen

resistance to what?? Insanity, because we are currently bordering on the insane unless we've crossed the border.
and to be honest, I think that the hobby lobby ruling set the precedent. This is just carrying it over into the another realm, the gov't and another belief.
if they let it keep running though, we will all be able to claim whatever belief we want to get out of doing whatever we don't want to do.
What the heck, I believe that all the fruits that God put on the earth should be free for all upon their hunger, therefore, I don't think I should have to pay for my food anymore. There's a farm down the street from me, with ripe fruit and tender young cows....I'll just go help myself. It's my god-given right and you can't stop me from practicing my religion.

this isn't gonna end well....

a reply to: dawnstar

You answered your own question.

This planned approach will make all efforts look so ridiculous, the next case will automatically be laughed off as nuts.

I understand her point of view, but my best guess is that only 20% of Americans think gay marriage should not be allowed. She should have read some banned science-fiction when she was young, it would have prepared her for a 2015 where attitudes towards gayness were a lot more relaxed.
a reply to: Hefficide

Has there been any update yet? I see there are lots of posts, but it'd take forever to figure out if more details have been posted up yet.

From what I've heard this morning she's already said she not going to comply to going to continue to refuse too sign the paperwork. I've also heard that her lawyers wanted the length of time she's away from preforming this part of her job to be longer. But looks like that hasn't happened or is going to happen. I'll need to look up a few more current reports. I have yet to hear anything about the Oath Keepers actions or reactions to anything.

I do know for sure there are already at least 10 same-sex marriages that already waiting for her to sign. Her works have filled out the paperwork and all that is left is for her to sign them, so it's not even like she can put this on the back burner.

If she does not sign them she'll be in contempt of court (again) and violation of court orders as well.

a reply to: ObjectZero

She's standing her ground and working to find a middle ground where she won't have to issue licenses, but her deputies can if they want.

Kim Davis, county clerk of Rowan County, Kentucky, returned to work Monday, saying she will not issue any marriage licenses that go against her religious beliefs -- but she left the door open for her deputies to continue to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples, as long as those documents do not have Davis' name or title on them.
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"Effective immediately, and until an accommodation is provided by those with the authority to provide it, any marriage license issued by my office will not be issued or authorized by me," Davis said.
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If her deputies -- who had been issuing marriage certificates to same-sex couples in her absence -- continue to do so, Davis said she will not stop them, but that those certificates must not have her name or title, and must instead state that they are issued pursuant to a federal court order.

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Problem is, Kentucky marriage law says her NAME AND TITLE must be on the form... So, she's still fighting to control, but she will lose.

In fact, I think Kimmie will be back in jail by the end of this day.

Problem is, Kentucky marriage law says her NAME AND TITLE must be on the form... So, she's still fighting to control, but she will lose.

Yes she will, this what happen when absolute powers are given to people with agendas of their own, it seems cruel that I will say this next, ignorant obtuse people should never be allowed to have that much power.

Sadly this applies to any position of power including government.

originally posted by: marg6043
it seems cruel that I will say this next, ignorant obtuse people should never be allowed to have that much power.

Sadly this applies to any position of power including government.

I would say ESPECIALLY government!

As the USA continues to weaken we will see more decentralization and erosion of the rule of law, along with the accompanying rise in the number and aggressiveness of various organizations of armed individuals.

Basically the central authority is weakening and they are losing the ability to hold the nation together via force, which has been used for decades now. The nation has been held together by force because it is so diverse it can no longer be held together by consent because there is no basis for consensus due to every different group having a competing vision for how to govern the country.


The USA is being Balkanized and it is undergoing tremendous political polarization, the fringes will drown out the few remaining voices in the center.

No Oath Keepers anywhere around either.

a reply to: LoneWanderer1307

While it seems like this could happen and for what is going on right looks like is starting, it only takes one big raid on some of the biggest troublemakers to squash the wannabe dissenters.

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: LoneWanderer1307

While it seems like this could happen and for what is going on right looks like is starting, it only takes one big raid on some of the biggest troublemakers to squash the wannabe dissenters.

Prosecution and persecution has a way of bolstering movements.

If persecutions, arrests, massacres, worked, then Christianity and Judaism wouldn't exist today.

a reply to: LoneWanderer1307

You right, but they are not longer the conquering religions of centuries ago that used to go and kill those that didn't share their views.

In the name of religion man has done the most despicable deeds because they think they have a right to do so.

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: LoneWanderer1307

You right, but they are not longer the conquering religions of centuries ago that used to go and kill those that didn't share their views.

In the name of religion man has done the most despicable deeds because they think they have a right to do so.

I was focusing more on antiquity, when Christians were persecuted and burnt, with the idea that no matter how hard their enemies persecuted them, it didn't stop their growth.

The same with the Jews being carried away into captivity on two occasions.


I was not alluding to or referring to the persecutions that those religions went on to inflict upon others in later centuries.

a reply to: LoneWanderer1307

Prosecution and persecution has a way of bolstering movements. If persecutions, arrests, massacres, worked, then Christianity and Judaism wouldn't exist today.

that may be so but I got a feeling that the christians of long ago actually practiced what the bible preached about obey the laws of the land or were at least more picky as to when they bucked the systems they were in. if all the christians in america were acting like this little court clerk is, I would venture to say that there wouldn't really be that many christians left free to buck when the time came for the more worthy issues came up. there's a reason why the followers of the christians and hebrews before that were told to obey the civil authorities, not only did it give the new beliefs time to grow and mature, but it always gave the followers a way to ease their conscious for the many minor infractions that were sure to come into the picture.

I do not think it matters how Christian in the past practiced their religion, and I do not necessarily think it matters how Christians today practice their religions. So much time has passed that they are basically two separate religions. Modern day sects can not even agree on anything, let alone the modern and the ancient agreeing on anything.

What I think LoneWanderer1307 is trying to say, is that religious people thrive on persecution. And if this case with Kim Davis and the way religious people are acting now over it and other similar cases proves. It seems to be true. If you are religious, from the moment you enter your religion, you are told over and over again that you and everyone in your religion are special. That only you are the chosen. That only you know the real truth. So when any perceived persecution happens. It is actually fulfillment of the long held belief that you are special and everyone else is not.

So are the gays and Christians gonna fight? No?

You say they're all being duped into arguing over something this petty?

Jesus. Christ. This much thought put into a non-issue. What a waste.

Let gays marry then shoot them from a cannon at a church steeple, who cares.

This is more dumb and distracting than any sport.

Delusional people attempting to aid a delusional person.

She simply needs to get another job.

All the time, effort and money wasted on her attempts to stop people being happy is ridiculous.

originally posted by: karmicecstasy
I do not think it matters how Christian in the past practiced their religion, and I do not necessarily think it matters how Christians today practice their religions. So much time has passed that they are basically two separate religions. Modern day sects can not even agree on anything, let alone the modern and the ancient agreeing on anything.

What I think LoneWanderer1307 is trying to say, is that religious people thrive on persecution. And if this case with Kim Davis and the way religious people are acting now over it and other similar cases proves. It seems to be true. If you are religious, from the moment you enter your religion, you are told over and over again that you and everyone in your religion are special. That only you are the chosen. That only you know the real truth. So when any perceived persecution happens. It is actually fulfillment of the long held belief that you are special and everyone else is not.

Shared persecution and shared suffering are great ways for people to form bonds that last a lifetime.

If 30 men suffered together in a miserable section of trench in WW1, and 12 of them were killed, you can be sure the survivors would meet for reunions and many would be lifelong friends.


Hitler said that the greatest thing that ever happened to the National Socialist Party was the crackdown that followed the failed Beer Hall Putsch when he was sent to prison and the Party was outlawed by the German government. It got rid of the flaky "hang around" types who were not committed and were not willing to risk imprisonment and it brought in a huge wave of radicals who were attracted by what they perceived as a "movement not afraid to take bold action."

Conventional wisdom would suggest that imprisoning the leader of a movement, outlawing the movement, and sending many of the top officers into exile should weaken the movement, but often the opposite happens and the movement is strengthened.

a reply to: xuenchen

Oath Keepers, legal team declines

Yup seems at the request of the legal team she has working for her. The Oath Keepers offer for protection has been declined. I figure it's for the better this way.

But I do see her heading back to the poky soon. As stated be for she names has to be on the documents for them to be legal. Unless some guideline has been set in place saying other wise. Which I've not seen yet. While they're still handing out and filling out the paperwork, it might not be the legal yet as it has yet to be signed. I'm am unsure as to of yet if they are not having another judge signing in her place. That can be done here in VA not sure in KY. I'd have to look up the local laws for that one.

I'm confused...So reasonable accommodations is really just forcing others to do Her job? So what exactly is She doing now?