Please do not call yourselves Christians any more.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

You fail to realize Paul made no followers of himself but only of Christ Jesus, His doctrines were of Christ Jesus Given him by Jesus Christ.

Sure they were... that's why he used all sorts of info from the people that actually knew Jesus right?

That's why He even violates Jesus words by calling himself Father to the Corinthians... right?

Clearly you don't even know your own hero...

Even if you had ten thousand guardians in Christ, you do not have many fathers, for in Christ Jesus I became your father through the gospel. 16 Therefore I urge you to imitate me.

No followers indeed....

Thanks for reinforcing my previous statement though...

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: ChesterJohn

You fail to realize Paul made no followers of himself but only of Christ Jesus, His doctrines were of Christ Jesus Given him by Jesus Christ.

Sure they were... that's why he used all sorts of info from the people that actually knew Jesus right?

That's why He even violates Jesus words by calling himself Father to the Corinthians... right?

Clearly you don't even know your own hero...

Even if you had ten thousand guardians in Christ, you do not have many fathers, for in Christ Jesus I became your father through the gospel. 16 Therefore I urge you to imitate me.

No followers indeed....

Thanks for reinforcing my previous statement though...

you are hilarious please don't pretend like you even have any idea of what you are talking about.

Paul never once claimed to be a LITERAL father to the Corinthians in 1Cor 4:15. And there was nothing wrong with Paul encouraging the Corinthians to follow him as he lived by faith, worked with his own hands, strove not to divide men or walk in his flesh. Which is more than I can say for you.

And of course you quote a perverted version and not the preserved word of God. the persevered word says it this way, not I became a father through the gospel. and even if it did the context tells us it is FIGURATIVE.

1 Corinthians 4:15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.

It is funny so called intellectuals like yourself make all the scriptures allegorical except when it is a allegory or a figure of speech. He was just using a figure of speech to remind them he was the one who lead them to Christ. You study your bible pretextually by removing a text from its context without any who, what, when, why, where, which, or how questions asked or the HISTORICAL context (very important here).

a reply to: ChesterJohn

Oh I see... So IF the text doesn't agree with your theology, its the wrong one... or the perverted version. How convenient... Honestly though I prefer the KJV myself as well...

Where you'll find things like this...

5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

interestingly enough... Jesus didn't consider himself "equal" to god... Paul seems to think he did...

Might be because Paul never actually met Jesus... which would make sense when you consider the fact that there are three accounts of his "conversion" on the road to Damascus... none of which line up with one another

believe whatever you will about Paul... Personally I think he was sent to infiltrate the ranks of the new religion and turn it sideways... He used the name of Jesus to gain what he wanted... which was a following like Jesus had...

and he got exactly what he was looking for...

And by the way, personal attacks are always the favorite tactic of a Christian (Paulian) backed into a corner

Plus it just makes you look bad...

a reply to: Akragon

theology of men is one thing the doctrines of God is another. I adhere to the later and the text of the preserved word of God.

You are not saved, only have intellectual knowledge that understands the things of man. I have the Holy Ghost which teaches me comparing spiritual to spiritual

here is what the Bible clearly teaches about a man like you and a Holy Ghost filled man like me.

(this is me) 1 Corinthians 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

(This is You) 1 Corinthians 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

(this is me) 1 Corinthians 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

1 Corinthians 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

(this is you) 1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

(this is me) 1 Corinthians 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

So Please stop making a fool of yourself trying to impress me or others. You may have fleshly knowledge and even know some of the text but you have no idea the spiritual teachings because His Spirit is not in you.

a reply to: Akragon

and personal attacks seem to be the favorite of you as well

a reply to: ChesterJohn

You cannot receive the teachings of Paul as the word of God because his Spirit is not in you nor can you spiritually discern any of the scriptures. Your limited knowledge, well it limits you.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

Lol ok man...

get off your high horse... you're no better then anyone else

Believe whatever you like... saved or not your actions in this life will be judged just like everyone else...

Paul Tells you you're saved by faith alone... Jesus say's the above

So you keep your golden ticket to sin, issued by your hero Paul...

I'll stick to what Jesus taught

a reply to: Akragon

the Bible says I am better than you, would you like me to quote Bible as what I am?

Ok I will.

I am a new creature

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

I am Holy and without blame, forgiven, adopted, redeemed, I am the praise of his Glory, I have salvation, and I am sealed with the holy spirit of promise.

Ephesians 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Ephesians 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

Ephesians 1:6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

Ephesians 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

Ephesians 1:8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;

Ephesians 1:9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

Ephesians 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

Ephesians 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

Ephesians 1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 1:14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

I am free from the law sin and death, which means even if this body dies my Soul is alive in Christ

Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

I am a child of God

Romans 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

I am the temple of God because the Spirit of God dwells in me.

1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

And there is much more that I am, and many more like me for the Bible tells us many things

But if I post what the bible says of you. You will only claim "I am attacking you".

a reply to: Akragon

When Israel had completed her rejection of God the Father in the OT, Jesus Christ in the Gospels and the Holy Ghost in Acts 1-10 Jesus Changed the plan and called Paul his greatest earthly enemy of the time.

Paul ministered to the Gentiles and Jews in dispersion, preaching the Gospel of the Grace of God

Acts 9:15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
Acts 9:16 For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.
Acts 20:24 But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.

Jesus Ministered to the House of Israel and preached a Gospel of the kingdom, promised unto the Jews ONLY and to those gentiles who would live under the Jews in the land.

Matthew 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

Acts 7:42 Then God turned, and gave them up to worship the host of heaven; as it is written in the book of the prophets, O ye house of Israel, have ye offered to me slain beasts and sacrifices by the space of forty years in the wilderness?

Hebrews 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Hebrews 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

This is why you must learn to "RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD OF TRUTH" 2 Timothy 2:15. You are trying to force yourself and others under the Gospel of the kingdom, a gospel that puts you under a curse if you preach it in this age. But give it a while once the gathering takes place the gospel of the kingdom will come back into play, but unfortunately you still wont get saved.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

LMAO!!

You're no better then anyone else... and by your own self righteousness... you're actually far worse...

Quote Paul all you want... means absolutely nothing to me...

and quoting the bible is not attacking me... Calling me ignorant... calling me a heretic... claiming you're better then ANYONE... judging a person that you know nothing about... that is attacking

All I did was call you a Paulian, and its nothing but the truth... You don't follow Jesus by your own words...

You're a follower of Paul... which is why you quote him endlessly... and pointlessly I might add

So again... believe whatever you will... believe your whitewashed doctrine of Paulianity...

Its your life... but you should take the advice of the thread title... because you prove your Paulianity with every word you type... and your insults back up that fact

a reply to: ChesterJohn

the Bible says I am better than you, would you like me to quote Bible as what I am?

Ok I will.

I am a new creature

Oh yeah? Well, I eat at Taco Bell and I AM a TACO!

You know, just because you say so......don't make it true.

a reply to: windword

Highly reminiscent of his Hero's former life wouldn't you say?

Attacking anyone who disagrees with his theology...

Perhaps he is actually Saulian?

LOL

a reply to: muse7

I cannot believe this thread still keeps popping up and hasn't been closed by the mods. let the poo throwing continue

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Akragon

the Bible says I am better than you, would you like me to quote Bible as what I am?

Ok I will.

I am a new creature

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

I am Holy and without blame, forgiven, adopted, redeemed, I am the praise of his Glory, I have salvation, and I am sealed with the holy spirit of promise.

Ephesians 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Ephesians 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

Ephesians 1:6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

Ephesians 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

Ephesians 1:8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;

Ephesians 1:9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

Ephesians 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

Ephesians 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

Ephesians 1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 1:14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

I am free from the law sin and death, which means even if this body dies my Soul is alive in Christ

Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

I am a child of God

Romans 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

I am the temple of God because the Spirit of God dwells in me.

1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

And there is much more that I am, and many more like me for the Bible tells us many things

But if I post what the bible says of you. You will only claim "I am attacking you".

Hey Chester!
You arrogance is astounding.
Your delusion is dizzying.
Your pomposity is quite profound.

Congratulations.

A toast to you!!!

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

I only claim what the Bible gives me.

it is not arrogance.

a reply to: Akragonno one has attacked you

You are the one calling names or did you forget here is what you called me, a Paulinian.

I tried to find it in my Bible but it wasn't there.

I did however find you Heretick, false teacher, blasphemer, and hater just to name a few. Do you need the book, chapter and verse?

a reply to: windword

Sad to be you

Salvation is in Christ Jesus not Paul

Romans 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Romans 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

Romans 13:11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

2 Corinthians 1:6 And whether we be afflicted, it is for your consolation and salvation, which is effectual in the enduring of the same sufferings which we also suffer: or whether we be comforted, it is for your consolation and salvation.

2 Corinthians 6:2 (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)

2 Corinthians 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Philippians 1:28 And in nothing terrified by your adversaries: which is to them an evident token of perdition, but to you of salvation, and that of God.

Philippians 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

1 Thessalonians 5:8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.

1 Thessalonians 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

2 Thessalonians 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

2 Timothy 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

2 Timothy 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

a reply to: ChesterJohn

It is fantasy, though. Try some other books. You might discover that you're not as fabulous as you think....and that your book is not exactly the be-all and end-all of human intellect.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: windword

Sad to be you

Wow! No arrogance or condescension there! Sometime, it's just better to leave well enough alone, less you appear petty and small.