50 Spies Say ISIS Intelligence Was Cooked

originally posted by: MarioOnTheFly
oh man...I just red that link...

I had the actual book as assigned reading in college. This was back when we still had troops on the ground there, and I was sitting in class with vets attending on the GI Bill. Made for some interesting discussions.

Amazing how just seeing the book cover brings back a flood of memories.

a reply to: MarioOnTheFly

Mad? Sure does make me mad. But it's a lost cause to get upset about it. No matter which way we vote, it's always the same rhetoric; never any real change or progress. So, yeah, it does make me mad, but I'm not losing any sleep over it either.

a reply to: MarioOnTheFly

Kinda shows me the gov't wants to look stupid while pursing a nefarious agenda. How many times has this played out? Gov't is well aware of the negative consequences and decides to completely ignore it. From ignoring the 9/11 warnings of an imminent attack, to the Iraqi invasion, arming "moderate" rebels in Syria, bombing the hell out of Libya, and so on... The obvious consequences are there for anyone to see so surely military/gov't knows full well too.

But they always just do it anyway.

They aren't stupid, they're playing stupid.

originally posted by: SlapMonkey
a reply to: MarioOnTheFly

My misinterpretation, then, but you can probably see how I made that connection:

originally posted by: MarioOnTheFly
If we're only smart enough...all of us...to refuse military service...
...
Sadly...we are a species of butchers and brainless retards.

My bad. When I said we are a species of butchers and brainless retards..I meant we as species...not individual people that go to war. Sometimes...going to war is a must...but most times...it isn't.

originally posted by: cmdrkeenkid
a reply to: MarioOnTheFly

Mad? Sure does make me mad. But it's a lost cause to get upset about it. No matter which way we vote, it's always the same rhetoric; never any real change or progress. So, yeah, it does make me mad, but I'm not losing any sleep over it either.

I get you...but shouldn't we be losing sleep over it ? Isn't state of world affairs just the way it is..because we aren't losing any sleep over it ? We have been so desensitized about crimes against the people, and it gets me so mad when I see people say.."oh we knew that already...it's boring...you know...so what..."

Aren't you aware the magnitude of possible crimes being committed with this kind of policies...like in the OP ?

I feel that we are simply too indifferent about it.

I support these guys coming out...at least they did something about it. At least they shouted..."hey...this isn't right".

a reply to: yeahright

I get the real feeling of Deja Vu when you posted the link.

All this has been happening repeatedly...for a century at least. And we the people...are none the wiser about it. We still let ourselves be duped by cheap political theatrics.

a reply to: Swills

agreed.

One thing does puzzle me though...why are we paying someone to play stupid ? Why do then have plethora of spy agencies, various security protocols, multitude of men/women employed to spy, to snoop, to gather data, intel...phone conversations. Billions of dollars of US budget goes to these agencies. They assign enormous budgets for these people to play a game of stupid ? Is it all for a stupid show to make a sheep out of you ? Isn't that a conspiracy in itself ?

Why do we stand for it ?

a reply to: cavtrooper7

Yep the history books may well record Obama as enabling the circumstances to arise to set up the end of Western civilization in Europe,

a reply to: khnum

It isn't over yet...

originally posted by: khnum
a reply to: cavtrooper7

Yep the history books may well record Obama as enabling the circumstances to arise to set up the end of Western civilization in Europe,

If there's anyone else left to write those history books.

originally posted by: tkwasny
The 2003 Iraq WMD intel was cooked to the say there were NO WMDs. Those now being used by Syria. It was either that or the convoluted path and eventual no-win end-game of thermo-nuke war with Russia. It was 11 RUSSIA trucks watched by US birds in 2003 taking out the RUSSIAN WMDs into Syria. The books were cooked to make US intel appear stupid and wrong to avoid WWIII. The press and Bush haters sucked it up with extra sauce. All useful idiots in the war game with Russia. Thank you press and Bush haters.

Where do you get this info from? Why and more importantly, how would Assad get his hands on Iraqi WMD's? Russians doing his dirty work? Really??? Why wouldn't they just give them theirs instead of taking Saddam's while the US is invading Iraq?

ISIS are former supporters of Saddam. The Syrian Ba'ath party was overthrown by Assad's father in a military coup....

Saddam was Ba'ath...as are what is left of his supporters... Making up, likely, the leadership of ISIS.

So how did Assad get the WMD's again?

Wasn't it already proven the chem weapons used in 2013 (I think it was then) were from ISIS/ rebels?

originally posted by: MarioOnTheFly
a reply to: Swills

agreed.

One thing does puzzle me though...why are we paying someone to play stupid ? Why do then have plethora of spy agencies, various security protocols, multitude of men/women employed to spy, to snoop, to gather data, intel...phone conversations. Billions of dollars of US budget goes to these agencies. They assign enormous budgets for these people to play a game of stupid ? Is it all for a stupid show to make a sheep out of you ? Isn't that a conspiracy in itself ?

Why do we stand for it ?

Because of Democrazy.

Thank the tyranny of the unthinking majority for why we put up with this sh!t.

nothing new, wmd in Iraq, just an excuse for the Bush / Blair administration

originally posted by: MarioOnTheFly
a reply to: Swills

agreed.

One thing does puzzle me though...why are we paying someone to play stupid ? Why do then have plethora of spy agencies, various security protocols, multitude of men/women employed to spy, to snoop, to gather data, intel...phone conversations. Billions of dollars of US budget goes to these agencies. They assign enormous budgets for these people to play a game of stupid ? Is it all for a stupid show to make a sheep out of you ? Isn't that a conspiracy in itself ?

Why do we stand for it ?

one has to remember that the entire US economy is based on them being in a war / conflict

originally posted by: tkwasny
The 2003 Iraq WMD intel was cooked to the say there were NO WMDs. Those now being used by Syria. It was either that or the convoluted path and eventual no-win end-game of thermo-nuke war with Russia. It was 11 RUSSIA trucks watched by US birds in 2003 taking out the RUSSIAN WMDs into Syria. The books were cooked to make US intel appear stupid and wrong to avoid WWIII. The press and Bush haters sucked it up with extra sauce. All useful idiots in the war game with Russia. Thank you press and Bush haters.

This kind of info drop demands scrutiny. Here is where you slipped up big time in my opinion:

The books were cooked to make US intel appear stupid and wrong to avoid WWIII

To make this more believable you should have said "postpone" not avoid. It implies US avoided world war three because no one wins, yet at the same time prepared for such a war by pretending they didn't have the Intel on Russia supplying WMDs in order to gain some kind of tactical advantage leading up to world war three.... Sorry, but I have a hard time believing you're anything but an extremely creative russophobe.

a reply to: MarioOnTheFly

Unfortunately this is not new and not confined to this instance.

There is a narrative to maintain anytime you cross over into Indian Territory when working for the US Government. You were sent there with a goal. You will achieve that goal. That it what you will report regardless if it is true or not. All the feedback from the field will fit nicely into the narrative at the top.

You can charge windmills as long as you want. You call it like you see it all day long. Stick to your guns. Just don't expect support or that next stellar assignment. So what are the weak willed to do?

My guess is these guys in the story might be near the end of their career and not have much to lose. Hopefully doing one last solid for the folks in the field.

Salute to those spies...the "distract-the-peasants button" has been activated in the White House with the black man...soon politics will cover up the whole thing with yet another set of lies...lol

originally posted by: everyonedies
Salute to those spies...the "distract-the-peasants button" has been activated in the White House with the black man...soon politics will cover up the whole thing with yet another set of lies...lol

Ya me think another mass shouting is in the work
maybe the highway shouting in live vid

originally posted by: everyonedies
Salute to those spies...the "distract-the-peasants button" has been activated in the White House with the black man...soon politics will cover up the whole thing with yet another set of lies...lol

You mean Muslim in the White House..

Wasn't Al-Qaeda found to be merely a concoction of the US based on a server with that nickname? What makes people think ISIS is any more real?